Thanks Shirlee,
It sounds like you are abstaining from any potential vote on this since you
say you're not knowledgeable about this topic.
On Sun, Jul 6, 2025, 11:44 Shirlee L <shirleetech(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Lo,
Thank you very much for the care and kindness in your message.
I am not knowledgeable about this topic and wish to remain neutral please
and not get involved in the politics.
On Sat, Jul 5, 2025 at 12:49 PM Laura Wesely <lwesely1(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Shirlee,
>
> Thank you for your thoughts about this. I wonder if there's any room to
> be swayed here? If not, don't read on.
>
> Currently, Apartheid is happening, just like in South African Apartheid
> and Jim Crow in the US. If we do nothing, it will continue, as it's already
> happening.
>
> Is this something you think is right? If so, by all means don't condemn
> it, don't speak up about it, and stay neutral.
>
> Or perhaps you don't think it's right, but you're worried about backlash
> from people who do believe Palestinians (or Black people in the US/South
> Africa) should be treated this way? Or perhaps you feel like you don't know
> enough about this topic to make an informed decision and take a stance --
> which I totally get because I was definitely in that boat a few months ago
> too.
>
> Maybe your desire to remain neutral is coming from somewhere else. I
> would just like to understand it.
>
> I'm curious if you could share more about what it means to you to remain
> neutral in this case and why?
>
> If you'd like more information, I'd love to share it but don't want to
> assume.
>
> With care and appreciation for your honesty,
>
> Lo
>
>
>
> *Lo *
> *(Laura Wesely)*
> *Pronouns: She/They <https://www.mypronouns.org/>*
>
>
> *There is no neutral body from which our bodies deviate. Society has
> written deep into each strand of tissue of every living person on earth.
> What it writes into the heart muscles of five star generals is distinct
> from what it writes in the pancreatic tissue and intestinal tracts of Black
> single mothers in Detroit, of Mexicana migrants in Fresno, but no body
> stands outside the consequences of injustice and inequality*
>
> *― *Aurora Levins Morales
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 5, 2025, 07:15 Shirlee L <shirleetech(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Catching up on reading my emails.
>>
>> About the proposal, as a member, I want to remain neutral. This stance
>> is a heated political issue and would prefer not to get involved with a
>> stance either way..
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Shirlee
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 1:07 PM Jake Watters via sudo-discuss <
>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>
>>> We're very overdue for a meeting! Let's plan to really call a
meeting
>>> next Wednesday and make it happen!
>>>
>>> -jake
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2025 at 9:29 PM Laura Wesely <lwesely1(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello dear beloved hackers, nerds and SudoRoom-ers,
>>>>
>>>> I am checking back in to see about my proposal:
>>>> Are there any questions I can answer or concerns individuals have
>>>> about signing onto this pledge?
>>>> I wonder if we are able to have a vote on this proposal at the next
>>>> meeting?
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if there's anything needed from me around this.
>>>>
>>>> xo
>>>> Lo
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 5:29 PM Jake Watters <
>>>> typeinthenumber(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is really wonderful! Thank you for proposing it. Let's
talk
>>>>> about this at the meeting tonight!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2025, 19:37 Laura Wesely via sudo-discuss <
>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Sudoroom members and leaders,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the past 2.5 years I’ve been a Sudoroom “member” (I say this
in
>>>>>> quotations because I’ve been paying dues and attending but have
never been
>>>>>> endorsed as a full fledged member), but I’d like to make a
proposal that
>>>>>> Sudoroom become an Apartheid Free Community!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am writing as a member of SURJ Bay Area’s Palestine Solidarity
>>>>>> Campaign. As a racial justice organization, SURJ believes it is
our moral
>>>>>> obligation to demand an end to Israel’s system of apartheid, its
genocide
>>>>>> in Gaza, and its increasing violent seizure of land in the West
Bank. All
>>>>>> this is paid for by our tax dollars, with the U.S. directly
funding the
>>>>>> Israeli government to the tune of $35 billion a year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We invite Sudoroom to join us to support the Palestinian people’s
>>>>>> human rights, lives, and lands by taking the pledge to become an
>>>>>> Apartheid-Free Community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apartheid is a crime against humanity. As defined by the United
>>>>>> Nations <https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/cspca/cspca.html>,
apartheid
>>>>>> includes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • Acts such as murder, torture, inhuman treatment, and arbitrary
>>>>>> arrest of members of a racial group
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • Deliberate imposition upon the subjugated racial group of
living
>>>>>> conditions calculated to cause its physical destruction
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • Legislative measures that discriminate in the political,
social,
>>>>>> economic, and cultural fields
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We could fill pages with examples of how Israel’s treatment of
>>>>>> Palestinians meets this criteria—from arrests and imprisonment
without
>>>>>> charges to the destruction of Gaza by bombing homes, hospitals,
and schools
>>>>>> and cutting off food, water, electricity and medical supplies.
Palestinians
>>>>>> are subjected to entirely different laws and judicial systems,
without
>>>>>> freedom of movement and economic opportunities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inspired by the anti-apartheid movement that helped topple the
white
>>>>>> supremacist regime in South Africa, the Apartheid-Free
Communities Campaign
>>>>>> is bringing communities together to end apartheid in
Israel/Palestine. We
>>>>>> encourage Sudoroom to join the over 500 organizations across the
globe,
>>>>>> including cities, schools, faith-based communities, labor unions,
>>>>>> businesses, and organizations, in taking the pledge to become an
>>>>>> Apartheid-Free Community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Signing the Pledge makes a difference! It reflects public support
>>>>>> to our elected officials when we press them to divest from
Israeli
>>>>>> violence. It reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our
community.
>>>>>> It challenges the official narratives and expands the public
consciousness
>>>>>> around Palestine. We ask that you sign this pledge, and take
actions, in
>>>>>> whatever way makes sense to Sudoroom, to be part of this effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be sure to let me know if you have any questions and how I can
>>>>>> support your Sudoroom in signing the Pledge and joining this
campaign.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Solidarity,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. We have materials including buttons, posters, and pamphlets
you
>>>>>> can use to increase awareness and build support. Plus the
Apartheid-Free
>>>>>> Communities website <https://apartheid-free.org/about/> is
full of
>>>>>> great resources and educational materials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Lo *
>>>>>> *(Laura Wesely)*
>>>>>> *Pronouns: She/They <https://www.mypronouns.org/>*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *There is no neutral body from which our bodies deviate. Society
has
>>>>>> written deep into each strand of tissue of every living person on
earth.
>>>>>> What it writes into the heart muscles of five star generals is
distinct
>>>>>> from what it writes in the pancreatic tissue and intestinal
tracts of Black
>>>>>> single mothers in Detroit, of Mexicana migrants in Fresno, but no
body
>>>>>> stands outside the consequences of injustice and inequality*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *― *Aurora Levins Morales
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Lo *
>>>> *(Laura Wesely)*
>>>> *Pronouns: She/They <https://www.mypronouns.org/>*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *There is no neutral body from which our bodies deviate. Society has
>>>> written deep into each strand of tissue of every living person on earth.
>>>> What it writes into the heart muscles of five star generals is distinct
>>>> from what it writes in the pancreatic tissue and intestinal tracts of
Black
>>>> single mothers in Detroit, of Mexicana migrants in Fresno, but no body
>>>> stands outside the consequences of injustice and inequality*
>>>>
>>>> *― *Aurora Levins Morales
>>>>
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