the discussion about the military sponsored stuff is a no-brainer. not
consistent with sudoroom values...
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:02 PM, <sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org>wrote;wrote:
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [HELP] Oak Tech teacher requests space 6hrs/1x/month
**starting Sunday** (Vicky Knox)
2. Re: [HELP] Oak Tech teacher requests space 6hrs/1x/month
**starting Sunday** (Vicky Knox)
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**starting Sunday** (Marc Juul)
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**starting Sunday** (William Budington)
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 00:25:00 -0700
From: Vicky Knox <vknoxsironi(a)gmail.com>
To: juul(a)labitat.dk, Sudo Room discuss
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Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] [HELP] Oak Tech teacher requests space
6hrs/1x/month **starting Sunday**
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Marc's response is justified, though I reject the language of the two
opening questions.
My conversation over the phone with Vivienne lead me to believe that she
was participating in a competition organized by her school and I didn't
carefully scan the email explanation that she sent me afterward to send to
the list. I am really down about my oversight and apologize for it.
I did learn the details of the competition's funding when she and a
colleague came to see the space and pick up the key the night before their
practice, and at that point I processed the explanation of the sponsorship
much differently than Marc. While she is not happy about the sponsor,
Vivienne's justification of pursuing this event was that this was a great
opportunity for her students to get a hold of resources and a learning
environment they would otherwise not have had. She wanted to be able to do
this event at a hackerspace because her ultimate goal was to use this
competition as a bridge to connect to a critical, hacker community (for
what this bridge is worth, given the obvious discrepancy). I felt at once
uneasy and understanding. I respect the sentiment that she expressed that
she needed to take the opportunity that was there, just as I am not quick
to jump to judgment of many of my bright and fascinating friends back home
who were in a position in which they (felt that they?) needed to join the
military in order to realistically afford higher education. That said, I
stand with Marc in my rejection of the military industrial complex (or
whatever you would like to call it), but I do not know the answer to more
nuanced questions of access to aspirational education within a race-class
divided society. I invite your conversation.
If Marc or anyone else would like to bring up this topic at the general
meeting, I could not make it this Wednesday but am available the following.
Vicky
On Oct 13, 2013 7:31 PM, "Marc Juul" <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Vicky Knox
<vknoxsironi(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Do you all have any recommendations on how to expedite this? What is the
> current status of the large room and using it for events?
>
> For background, this teacher origianally contacted info@sudoroom but
> never got a response, and called the SR number today, slightly frantic.
I
think it
would be really awesome if we were able to help her out. This
event seems quite an incredible opportunity for young people.
What? What have you been smoking?
The Air Force Association's CyberPatriot? Sponsored by Northrop
Grumman?!Why
are people assuming that this is something sudo room wants to
support
or in any way encourage?
This sounds terrible. I am going to take this up at this Wednesdays sudo
room meeting. I am completely against anything like this happening in or
near sudo room in any way shape or form. I do not believe I am alone in
feeling like this. I am both surprised and very disappointed that a
critical and sceptical approach was not taken in dealing with something
like this on behalf of sudo room.
--
Marc
Romy Ilano