Re: [sudo-discuss] "learn to code" events subject to full-WTF scale crackdown...any ideas?
31 Jan
2014
31 Jan
'14
8:04 p.m.
Well to play devil's advocate:
creative, qusetioning students with computer science skills are valued by
the industrialists nowadays. They actually seek out people who are a little
rebellious.
I read that some of the more innovative Chinese high schools are ditching
standardized tests, encuraging more creative education, as they see it as
their only ticket to becoming an economy on the high end of the value chain
(more creative, more design-focused)
What if the evil capitalists support a more intelliectual, creative
education free of rote education?
To: GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01(a)att.net
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Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] "learn to code" events subject to full-WTF
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Outside of the narrow regulatory question, this reminds me of another
relating to the vocationalization of programming to supply commoditized
labor to large corporations, which is something I am uneasy around and
which I think reflects a shifting power balance that deserves to be
opposed. Here is a line of criticism that I think is right on, running from
Seymour Papert to Bret Victor to
this<
http://programmingisterrible.com/post/73056840109/paperts-dreams-and-our-gr…
:
*"In ?Meanwhile, at code.org <http://worrydream.com/MeanwhileAtCodeOrg/>?,
Bret juxtaposes the ideals of Seymour Papert and the dreams of
entrepreneurs and venture capitalists. Papert wanted to use programming as
a way to let children explore powerful ideas and let their imagination run
wild. The agenda of the political, wealthy, and powerful is to build a new
generation of worker bees to fuel their startups. One sees code as a
liberation, and the other as a vocation..."*
=============================
Romy Ilano
romy(a)snowyla.com
>>>>>>>>>
Message: 11
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:23:34 -0800
From: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com
3 Feb
3 Feb
10:20 a.m.
New subject: "learn to code" events subject to full-WTF scale crackdown...any ideas?
Personally, I don't think the discussion should be about whether or not
these schools have merrit. What about the "California Bureau for Private
Postsecondary Education" ( http://www.bppe.ca.gov/ ) which has existed for
less than 4 years now. Does it really have merrit? What are the
regulations, and is this really worth having another california berucracy
that makes it even harded to open up bussiness here?
--Andrew
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Romy Ilano <romy(a)snowyla.com> wrote:
Well to play devil's advocate:
creative, qusetioning students with computer science skills are valued by
the industrialists nowadays. They actually seek out people who are a little
rebellious.
I read that some of the more innovative Chinese high schools are ditching
standardized tests, encuraging more creative education, as they see it as
their only ticket to becoming an economy on the high end of the value chain
(more creative, more design-focused)
What if the evil capitalists support a more intelliectual, creative
education free of rote education?
:
*"In ?Meanwhile, at code.org <http://worrydream.com/MeanwhileAtCodeOrg/>?,
Bret juxtaposes the ideals of Seymour Papert and the dreams of
entrepreneurs and venture capitalists. Papert wanted to use programming as
a way to let children explore powerful ideas and let their imagination run
wild. The agenda of the political, wealthy, and powerful is to build a new
generation of worker bees to fuel their startups. One sees code as a
liberation, and the other as a vocation..."*
=============================
Romy Ilano
romy(a)snowyla.com
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:23:34 -0800
From: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] "learn to code" events subject to full-WTF
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Outside of the narrow regulatory question, this reminds me of another
relating to the vocationalization of programming to supply commoditized
labor to large corporations, which is something I am uneasy around and
which I think reflects a shifting power balance that deserves to be
opposed. Here is a line of criticism that I think is right on, running from
Seymour Papert to Bret Victor to
this<
http://programmingisterrible.com/post/73056840109/paperts-dreams-and-our-gr…
10:32 a.m.
New subject: "learn to code" events subject to full-WTF scale crackdown...any ideas?
way to turn the tables - probably not. "I see you've got a busted headlight...
*SMASH* Tail light's busted too"
Feb 3, 2014 10:20:58 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
Personally, I don't think the discussion should be about whether or not these schools
have merrit. What about the "California Bureau for Private Postsecondary
Education" ( http://www.bppe.ca.gov/ ) which has existed for less than 4 years now.
Does it really have merrit? What are the regulations, and is this really worth having
another california berucracy that makes it even harded to open up bussiness here?
>--Andrew
>On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Romy Ilano
romy(a)snowyla.com> wrote:
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>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:23:34 -0800
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To: GtwoG PublicOhOne g2g-public01(a)att.net
Cc: sudo-discuss sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] "learn to code" events subject to full-WTF
> scale crackdown...any ideas?
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Outside of the narrow regulatory question, this reminds me of another
>relating to the vocationalization of programming to supply commoditized
labor to large corporations, which is something I am uneasy around and
>which I think reflects a shifting power balance that deserves to be
opposed. Here is a line of criticism that I think is right on, running from
>Seymour Papert to Bret Victor to
thishttp://programmingisterrible.com/post/73056840109/paperts-dreams-and-ou…
:
>*"In ?Meanwhile,
at code.org http://worrydream.com/MeanwhileAtCodeOrg/>?t;?,
Bret juxtaposes the ideals of Seymour Papert and
the dreams of
>entrepreneurs and venture capitalists. Papert wanted to use programming as
a way to let children explore powerful ideas and let their imagination run
>wild. The agenda of the political, wealthy, and powerful is to build a new
generation of worker bees to fuel their startups. One sees code as a
>liberation, and the other as a vocation..."*
>=============================
>Romy Ilanoromy(a)snowyla.com
>_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
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Well to play devil's advocate:
creative, qusetioning students with computer science skills are valued by the
industrialists nowadays. They actually seek out people who are a little rebellious.
I read that some of the more innovative Chinese high
schools are ditching standardized tests, encuraging more creative education, as they see
it as their only ticket to becoming an economy on the high end of the value chain (more
creative, more design-focused)
>What if the evil capitalists support a more intelliectual, creative education free of
rote education?
12:49 p.m.
New subject: "learn to code" events subject to full-WTF scale crackdown...any ideas?
I've been following this issue (and the discussion on here) with interest.
I read a recent article in Fast Company about the claims, successes, and
failures of these "Hack schools":
http://www.fastcompany.com/3023456/become-an-ios-developer-in-8-weeks-the-t…
I hope that the state DOES investigate some of the ... bolder ... claims
made by these institutions. I'm also curious about the fact that some of
these academies don't actually have experienced people teaching, either.
In some cases, it's like the blind leading the uninformed.
Also of concern is the fact that some of these guys are taking VC money for
these companies.
Cheers,
Anca.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
way to turn the tables - probably not. "I see
you've got a busted
headlight... *SMASH* Tail light's busted too"
Feb 3, 2014 10:20:58 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
Personally, I don't think the discussion should be about whether or not
these schools have merrit. What about the "California Bureau for Private
Postsecondary Education" ( http://www.bppe.ca.gov/ ) which has existed
for less than 4 years now. Does it really have merrit? What are the
regulations, and is this really worth having another california berucracy
that makes it even harded to open up bussiness here?
>--Andrew
>On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Romy
Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>Message: 11
>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:23:34 -0800
From: Anthony Di Franco di.franco(a)gmail.com>
To: GtwoG PublicOhOne g2g-public01(a)att.net>
Cc: sudo-discuss sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] "learn to code" events subject to full-WTF
> scale crackdown...any ideas?
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Outside of the narrow regulatory question, this reminds me of another
>relating to the vocationalization of programming to supply commoditized
labor to large corporations, which is something I am uneasy around and
>which I think reflects a shifting power balance that deserves to be
opposed. Here is a line of criticism that I think is right on, running from
>Seymour Papert to Bret Victor to
thishttp://
programmingisterrible.com/post/73056840109/paperts-dreams-and-our-grim-meat…
:
>*"In ?Meanwhile, at code.org
http://worrydream.com/MeanwhileAtCodeOrg/>?t;?,
Bret juxtaposes the ideals of Seymour
Papert and the dreams of
>entrepreneurs and venture capitalists. Papert wanted to use programming as
a way to let children explore powerful ideas and let their imagination run
>wild. The agenda of the political, wealthy, and powerful is to build a new
generation of worker bees to fuel their startups. One sees code as a
>liberation, and the other as a vocation..."*
>=============================
>Romy Ilanoromy(a)snowyla.com
>_______________________________________________
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Well to play devil's advocate:
creative, qusetioning students with computer science skills are valued by
the
industrialists nowadays. They actually seek out people who are a little
rebellious.
I read that some of the more innovative Chinese
high schools are ditching
standardized tests, encuraging more creative education,
as they see it as
their only ticket to becoming an economy on the high end of the value chain
(more creative, more design-focused)
What if the evil capitalists support a more
intelliectual, creative
education free of rote education?
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