24 Jan
2015
24 Jan
'15
1:51 a.m.
thanks Null (whoever that is) for bringing this up and suggesting good
pointers on how we should deal with such situations.
I agree with Patrik that it's important for someone to take a picture,
when someone makes enough of a problem that it takes multiple people to
deal with them, a photograph is essential for two reasons:
1. it allows us to share with each other the knowledge about a problem
person in case they come back (expecting no one will remember them)
2. it lets them know that we will not forget who they are, and that they
should forget about us and never come back.
I must stress that #2 is the most important aspect of this, because
ultimately our goal should be for problem people to go away and never come
back. Ideally they will tell their friends "don't bother, those people
are not the victims we believed them to be" or a paraphrase of that.
in particular, read the story of "Thief" from the noisebridge 86 wiki:
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/86
"This guy went into the back classroom and took Rayc's wallet out of his
backpack. Rayc saw him with the wallet in his hand and the guy tried to
say it was his. He then started running towards the door and was tackled
by Jake. We made him show us that nothing was in his pockets, and he kept
avoiding the big pocket in the front of his jacket. This pocket turned
out to have Sasha's smart phone. During the search his crack pipe fell
onto the floor and broke into many pieces. We let him go and told him
not to come back."
It took several people holding onto him to keep him from exiting down the
stairwell with people's property. He really wanted to leave but he did
not hit or strike anyone at any time, which is why we let him go after
searching him and getting the stolen items back.
When there is no photograph, it's basically impossible to prevent a person
from coming back whenever they want unless there is a person there who
will recognize them. We can't be playing cat and mouse with people who
want to take advantage of us.
-jake
26 Jan
26 Jan
3:25 p.m.
New subject: Stealing Shit Policy
Thanks everyone for your input. If anyone will be around the Omni tonight,
I think it might be helpful to brainstorm strategies in person. Say 5:00 to
6:30? I'll rely anything that comes up back to the list.
On Jan 24, 2015 1:51 AM, "Jake" <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
thanks Null (whoever that is) for bringing this up and
suggesting good
pointers on how we should deal with such situations.
I agree with Patrik that it's important for someone to take a picture,
when someone makes enough of a problem that it takes multiple people to
deal with them, a photograph is essential for two reasons:
1. it allows us to share with each other the knowledge about a problem
person in case they come back (expecting no one will remember them)
2. it lets them know that we will not forget who they are, and that they
should forget about us and never come back.
I must stress that #2 is the most important aspect of this, because
ultimately our goal should be for problem people to go away and never come
back. Ideally they will tell their friends "don't bother, those people are
not the victims we believed them to be" or a paraphrase of that.
in particular, read the story of "Thief" from the noisebridge 86 wiki:
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/86
"This guy went into the back classroom and took Rayc's wallet out of his
backpack. Rayc saw him with the wallet in his hand and the guy tried to
say it was his. He then started running towards the door and was tackled
by Jake. We made him show us that nothing was in his pockets, and he kept
avoiding the big pocket in the front of his jacket. This pocket turned
out to have Sasha's smart phone. During the search his crack pipe fell
onto the floor and broke into many pieces. We let him go and told him
not to come back."
It took several people holding onto him to keep him from exiting down the
stairwell with people's property. He really wanted to leave but he did not
hit or strike anyone at any time, which is why we let him go after
searching him and getting the stolen items back.
When there is no photograph, it's basically impossible to prevent a person
from coming back whenever they want unless there is a person there who will
recognize them. We can't be playing cat and mouse with people who want to
take advantage of us.
-jake
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5:43 p.m.
New subject: no secrets here
Damn, I always miss the good stuff.
Dear Noisebridge,
Recently I got a chance to check out your 86 page & I want to thank you for including
me at
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/86. I'm sorry I've been too busy since you banned
me to
check it out til now. Life as a sexy homeless man is hard! If I can lodge one complaint,
it's
only that I'm so low on the list (the very last!) that I'm afraid some people
won't read down
that far. Any chance of bumping me up a bit? wink emoticon
If you have any questions about the elevator incident, my current mental health, the size
&
quality of my recent bowel movements, etc, all of this information is available at
http://resistor.spaz.org. I also left print copies on the lit table in the Omni entryway
last
night!
+11+
Thanks so much for the pic I've been waiting for f***ing ever on that!
On Mon, January 26, 2015 5:25 pm, null null null wrote:
Thanks everyone for your input. If anyone will be
around the Omni tonight,
I think it might be helpful to brainstorm strategies in person. Say 5:00 to
6:30? I'll rely anything that comes up back to the list.
On Jan 24, 2015 1:51 AM, "Jake" <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
--
Not all who wander are lost.
thanks Null (whoever that is) for bringing this
up and suggesting good
pointers on how we should deal with such situations.
I agree with Patrik that it's important for someone to take a picture,
when someone makes enough of a problem that it takes multiple people to
deal with them, a photograph is essential for two reasons:
1. it allows us to share with each other the knowledge about a problem
person in case they come back (expecting no one will remember them)
2. it lets them know that we will not forget who they are, and that they
should forget about us and never come back.
I must stress that #2 is the most important aspect of this, because
ultimately our goal should be for problem people to go away and never come
back. Ideally they will tell their friends "don't bother, those people are
not the victims we believed them to be" or a paraphrase of that.
in particular, read the story of "Thief" from the noisebridge 86 wiki:
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/86
"This guy went into the back classroom and took Rayc's wallet out of his
backpack. Rayc saw him with the wallet in his hand and the guy tried to
say it was his. He then started running towards the door and was tackled
by Jake. We made him show us that nothing was in his pockets, and he kept
avoiding the big pocket in the front of his jacket. This pocket turned
out to have Sasha's smart phone. During the search his crack pipe fell
onto the floor and broke into many pieces. We let him go and told him
not to come back."
It took several people holding onto him to keep him from exiting down the
stairwell with people's property. He really wanted to leave but he did not
hit or strike anyone at any time, which is why we let him go after
searching him and getting the stolen items back.
When there is no photograph, it's basically impossible to prevent a person
from coming back whenever they want unless there is a person there who will
recognize them. We can't be playing cat and mouse with people who want to
take advantage of us.
-jake
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8:45 p.m.
New subject: no secrets here
i'm really ashamed that this guy has a spaz.org email address.
you can thank Stan for that.
-jake
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, "Løng$hanks" wrote:
Damn, I always miss the good stuff.
Dear Noisebridge,
Recently I got a chance to check out your 86 page & I want to thank you for including
me at
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/86. I'm sorry I've been too busy since you
banned me to
check it out til now. Life as a sexy homeless man is hard! If I can lodge one complaint,
it's
only that I'm so low on the list (the very last!) that I'm afraid some people
won't read down
that far. Any chance of bumping me up a bit? wink emoticon
If you have any questions about the elevator incident, my current mental health, the size
&
quality of my recent bowel movements, etc, all of this information is available at
http://resistor.spaz.org. I also left print copies on the lit table in the Omni entryway
last
night!
+11+
Thanks so much for the pic I've been waiting for f***ing ever on that!
On Mon, January 26, 2015 5:25 pm, null null null wrote:
Thanks everyone for your input. If anyone will be
around the Omni tonight,
I think it might be helpful to brainstorm strategies in person. Say 5:00 to
6:30? I'll rely anything that comes up back to the list.
On Jan 24, 2015 1:51 AM, "Jake" <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
--
Not all who wander are lost.
thanks Null (whoever that is) for bringing this
up and suggesting good
pointers on how we should deal with such situations.
I agree with Patrik that it's important for someone to take a picture,
when someone makes enough of a problem that it takes multiple people to
deal with them, a photograph is essential for two reasons:
1. it allows us to share with each other the knowledge about a problem
person in case they come back (expecting no one will remember them)
2. it lets them know that we will not forget who they are, and that they
should forget about us and never come back.
I must stress that #2 is the most important aspect of this, because
ultimately our goal should be for problem people to go away and never come
back. Ideally they will tell their friends "don't bother, those people are
not the victims we believed them to be" or a paraphrase of that.
in particular, read the story of "Thief" from the noisebridge 86 wiki:
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/86
"This guy went into the back classroom and took Rayc's wallet out of his
backpack. Rayc saw him with the wallet in his hand and the guy tried to
say it was his. He then started running towards the door and was tackled
by Jake. We made him show us that nothing was in his pockets, and he kept
avoiding the big pocket in the front of his jacket. This pocket turned
out to have Sasha's smart phone. During the search his crack pipe fell
onto the floor and broke into many pieces. We let him go and told him
not to come back."
It took several people holding onto him to keep him from exiting down the
stairwell with people's property. He really wanted to leave but he did not
hit or strike anyone at any time, which is why we let him go after
searching him and getting the stolen items back.
When there is no photograph, it's basically impossible to prevent a person
from coming back whenever they want unless there is a person there who will
recognize them. We can't be playing cat and mouse with people who want to
take advantage of us.
-jake
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27 Jan
27 Jan
6:41 p.m.
New subject: no secrets here
Huh.
Jake, you are a prick.
On Mon, January 26, 2015 10:45 pm, Jake wrote:
i'm really ashamed that this guy has a spaz.org
email address.
you can thank Stan for that.
-jake
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, "Løng$hanks" wrote:
--
Not all who wander are lost.
Damn, I always miss the good stuff.
Dear Noisebridge,
Recently I got a chance to check out your 86 page & I want to thank you for including
me at
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/86. I'm sorry I've been too busy since you
banned me to
check it out til now. Life as a sexy homeless man is hard! If I can lodge one complaint,
it's
only that I'm so low on the list (the very last!) that I'm afraid some people
won't read
down
that far. Any chance of bumping me up a bit? wink emoticon
If you have any questions about the elevator incident, my current mental health, the size
&
quality of my recent bowel movements, etc, all of this information is available at
http://resistor.spaz.org. I also left print copies on the lit table in the Omni entryway
last
night!
+11+
Thanks so much for the pic I've been waiting for f***ing ever on that!
On Mon, January 26, 2015 5:25 pm, null null null wrote:
sudo-discuss mailing list
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Thanks everyone for your input. If anyone will be
around the Omni tonight,
I think it might be helpful to brainstorm strategies in person. Say 5:00 to
6:30? I'll rely anything that comes up back to the list.
On Jan 24, 2015 1:51 AM, "Jake" <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
--
Not all who wander are lost.
_______________________________________________ thanks Null (whoever that is) for bringing this
up and suggesting good
pointers on how we should deal with such situations.
I agree with Patrik that it's important for someone to take a picture,
when someone makes enough of a problem that it takes multiple people to
deal with them, a photograph is essential for two reasons:
1. it allows us to share with each other the knowledge about a problem
person in case they come back (expecting no one will remember them)
2. it lets them know that we will not forget who they are, and that they
should forget about us and never come back.
I must stress that #2 is the most important aspect of this, because
ultimately our goal should be for problem people to go away and never come
back. Ideally they will tell their friends "don't bother, those people are
not the victims we believed them to be" or a paraphrase of that.
in particular, read the story of "Thief" from the noisebridge 86 wiki:
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/86
"This guy went into the back classroom and took Rayc's wallet out of his
backpack. Rayc saw him with the wallet in his hand and the guy tried to
say it was his. He then started running towards the door and was tackled
by Jake. We made him show us that nothing was in his pockets, and he kept
avoiding the big pocket in the front of his jacket. This pocket turned
out to have Sasha's smart phone. During the search his crack pipe fell
onto the floor and broke into many pieces. We let him go and told him
not to come back."
It took several people holding onto him to keep him from exiting down the
stairwell with people's property. He really wanted to leave but he did not
hit or strike anyone at any time, which is why we let him go after
searching him and getting the stolen items back.
When there is no photograph, it's basically impossible to prevent a person
from coming back whenever they want unless there is a person there who will
recognize them. We can't be playing cat and mouse with people who want to
take advantage of us.
-jake
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