sudo-discuss February 2014

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132 discussions

by Jenny Ryan

Reposted for posterity at https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014-02-12 ==Intros== Q: What's (not not) going to happen to us? * Matt [sudo space], Sam (thousands of cores), Juul (planet-hacking), yar (some, then more), John (idk), Jenny (ACTUAL membership thing), Ardeen, Haley, Scott (a kickass show in the space), Xavier, Daniel, Eric (rally & seize opportunities), Troy, Brendan (electronic robots in space?), Chris (inventing better hand cleaner), Jeremy, Noemie, JC (go to zero) ==Announcements== * Calendar https://sudoroom.org/calendar * Berkeley Biolabs is up! ** http://berkeleybiolabs.com/ ** bioreactor hack night tomorrow (feb 13) http://www.meetup.com/Berkeley-Biolabs/events/165489532/ ** "biohacker in residence" open house next week (feb 20) (meetup event not up yet) * Cryptoparty this Sunday, 2-5pm - Learn digital security and encrypt your hard drive, phone calls, text messages etc; - https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Cryptoparty * Troy found 16 years of communist literature on the street * Slingshot new volunteer meeting Feb. 23rd @ The Long Haul, 4pm ** Looking for someone who wants to work on a calendar app *** Phil might be able to help ** Other slingshot announcement from Haley about notpublicschool * Haley and Sam want to start the first cyber-punk LARP rule system on the West Coast with simultaneous microcontroller programming language development! Get in contact with Haley about either at samarasteele(a)gmail.com * John (jbaldo(a)gmail.com) - event Startup Weekend Education - week of Feb. 21st - competition over a weekend in collaboration with Oakland Unified teachers. Civic hacking & Education: http://oaklandedu.startupweekend.org/ ** Usually $100 / ticket, wants to give away a couple of tickets to sudo room. ** Brendan is interested * trilobytes brought back to life * Show at sudo room w/ Scott - Feb. 28th - all ages, 100+ people * first Omni delegates meeting tomorrow night AT the Omni - open but RSVP - https://sudoroom.org/wiki/The_Omni * RPS Collaboration ** website redesigning is cool ** wordpress teaching is excellent ** in exchange, they have offered to give us a lot of beer (i.e. 15 crates) [people are stoked] *** They have a stereo receiver on loan, want to keep it! Hence the beer offer ** Also want to exchange by painting the Wobbly Wheels pedicab out front. ** What should RPS do for us?? *** Mesh project could use a designer, if people want to opt in **** Also set up a mesh node on their building for peoplesopen.net *** Jeremy will make a wiki page for a list of items and email about it! * "Art party" happens 6pm 3rd Saturdays at the Belfry (church at 2735 MacArthur @ Coolidge) (57 bus line) ==To-Do== * slay zombie events that show up when importing from calendar [matt] * Use Stripe [jenny, contingent on bank acct] * Bank Account - we need to send Articles of Inc. [matt] - DONE * Renew lease - David to investigate insurance options - matt will ping him * Add features to RPS's wordpress: http://rpscollective.org/ - Jeremy met with them [DONE] ** Jeremy will make a wiki page for a list of items and email about it! * Fix our inside door, the cables got severed - DONE - jake fixed it! sudokudos :D * reach out to sudo folks & others to participate in Spied Upon event [Jenny] * reply to radical mycology people with principles about for-pay events [Jenny] - done, no response as of yet * fix our LMI phone line - is the DSL filter broken or the phone cable shorted? [DONE by marc] ** juul fixed it and added caller id (but the caller id needs an extension cord) ==New Members== * Xavier * Jeremy * Noemie * Jenny is working on a better automated system * Matt elaborates non-dollar ways to contribute ==Money== * We have $8701.21 in the bank account * This week, received $500 anonymous donation! * We make exactly pi $314.16 on Gittip https://www.gittip.com/sudoroom/ ** debate over whether a 5 or a 6 is more appropriate * Need to come to consensus on Internet Archive Federal Credit Union item below to get new bank account ;) ==Consensus Items== * Proposal to ban ardeen ** https://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/2014-February/005374.html ** yar thinks ban sounds harsh - maybe temporary? 2 months? ** "To empower members to deal with problematic non-members, non-members can be removed by a member who feels their behavior is problematic, *unless* another member present in the space is willing to vouch for the non-member as a guest. Non-members being asked to leave must be told that they can further discuss the incident at a Wednesday meeting or on the mailing list. Non-members can use the space as much as they want when other members are present, but cannot access the space when no members are there and have to leave when the last member leaves." ** Ardeen is present and pleading forgiveness, but Marc still doesn't trust him ** Matt hadn't received an apology until now and is not happy. He finds "the whole narrative disrespectful". He'd rather things be about the community respecting each other and not about conflicts and bans. (?) ** Ardeen feels he tried to reach out and was treated with anger and vendetta ** yar hears "it's not about sleeping or breaking rules, it's about respect" but thinks the email seemed about exactly that ** conversation gets heated, yar imposes stack with 30 second time limit each ** voting *** 6 votes for a permanent ban of ardeen *** 1 against - ardeen himself *** 5 abstaining *** this is less than 2/3. motion fails. ** vote on a temporary one-month banning of ardeen *** 12 for *** 0 against *** 2 abstains *** motion passes. Matt notes that the Public School has voted to uphold our bans. * proposal to ban sarah ** "She isn't here. Word she's left the city." ** "she's been sleeping here after being warned, and also knowingly ate my food." ** "she's had conflicts at Noisebridge and refused arbitration there, which is not a good sign" ** "I'd support this ban more if it were about violence or extreme disrespect" ** "We need a committee on social affairs" ** voting *** 5 in favor *** 0 against *** 6 abstentions *** motion seems to fail? *** Feedback from abstainers: **** Having a calm person unattached to the conflict to serve as ally for **** Permanent bans pretty harsh - people can change **** Homelessness is a transient condition **** process is broken since abstentions and no-votes seemed to be equivalent here **** Eliot suggests permanent bans be reserved for violent oppression, but supports long-term bans *** "I will reach out to her and say she's not banned but she's not welcome and should come to a meeting" *** JC offers mediation in future conflicts * "sudo room resolves to allow the Internet Archive Federal Credit Union to make deposits." ** There are no objections. We all feel pretty good to be voting on this. * Suggestion that we auto-ban anyone who has been banned by noisebridge unless at least one member objects. New bans to be adopted at each weekly meeting. - juul ** See https://noisebridge.net/86 for current Noisebridge bans ** Matt suggests inserting a human approval method rather than auto-ban, citing Value # 5 of sudo room's Articles of Association: *** "Value human judgment over automation and efficiency." ** "Would this rule have solved problems in the past" "Yes" "yes" "yes" "YES!" ** "is the burden on individuals to monitor the noisebridge banlist in order to object in time?" ** "it literally just made the process easier with ardeen that public school had a similar vote on our banlist" *** "I didn't actually feel good mentioning BAPS' policy so I don't think that's a point in favor" ** Brendan: "In considering banning individuals from sudo room, it is valid to take into consideration any bans from other communities." ** "I'd prioritize specific kinds of bans such as those involving sexual predators" *** DOES THIS WORK?? "Noisebridge bans can be given a temporary ban at sudo room by request of any member, to last until there is quorum to review the ban. Sudo room will consider all Noisebridge bans as potential bans at sudo room, going through the normal process" ** "There should be an opportunity to lift bans" * Matt suggests a rule that our bureacracy can't be used against us: ** "Value fairness and common sense over prolonged process and bureaucracy." ** "I finds this unimplementable and a little ironic" ** "if you want that to change, develop a mentality for it, don't wait for bureaucracy to solve it" ** "can we move this onto next week's agenda?" [laughter] *** "I propose this be highly prioritized to next week" ** "does anybody have a reason this should not be consensed to be in our articles?" *** "I do. It's an awesome value, but just words." **** That's sort of the point ^.^ it's a poem! ** No consensus yet, more workshopping. * At the November 6, 2013 meeting, there was consensus that Marc Juul should be the sole founder of our IRC channel, freenode.#sudoroom - this was discussed on the mailing list, there have been no blocks or alternatives proposed. This meeting, with 16 people present, affirms that it has been solidly consensed on at this point. Sudoroom as an organization will now reach out to Freenode to make it happen. ** Asked for objections four or five times. No objections. phew! * Juul suggests that we change the articles such that bans require 2/3 of the votes of present members, excluding abstainess. ** "you should just use a normal voting process and not that weird process you just used" ** "can't consent on this now because the problem is deeper than this" ** "do i have to be a dues-paying member to vote?" ==Conflict Resolution== * "kudos to facilitators" ==Misc== * Learning Collective w/ Haley (samarasteele(a)gmail.com) ** villagecraft.org ** wants to have events here ==After meeting teamups== * Cyberpunk LARPing and software Microcontroller development. --------- Thanks to all present for sticking it through this one! --------- Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://sudomesh.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`

12 years

Documenting Habitation

by mattsenate＠gmail.com

Made a wiki page to keep track of unfortunate, but necessary confrontations with folks using sudo resources for habitation: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sleepers Please contribute. // Matt

12 years

privacy toolkit

by J Clark

Hi Sudo, At last week's Data Privacy & Legal hackathon, we made a nice little privacy-enhancing toolkit. Generally platform agnostic, covers a range of digital-mediated communications. Please feel free to add, subtract, multiply and divide: https://github.com/ebmakerlabs/toolkit judi East Bay Maker Labs

12 years

#OpenSource Bio: Tekla labs (UC Berkeley) and BBL Biohacker in Residence Launch

by Ryan Bethencourt

Hi All, We'll be launching the first *Biohackers in Residence program *at Berkeley Biolabs (a way for Biohackers with promising commercial ideas to get access to the lab regardless of your financial situation) next Thursday and I wanted to send out an open invite to the event. We'll also be having the team from *Tekla Labs* in who will be talking about Open Source Global innovation in Biotech and the plans they're making available to scientists and citizen scientists in the US and throughout the world to help lower the cost of biotech. http://www.meetup.com/Berkeley-Biolabs/events/166090902/ *p.s. don't forget tonight we're having our Open Source Bioreactor Hack night at Berkeley Biolabs, bring your soldering irons as Sunny plans on having a near final prototype for hacking at the event* All the best, Ryan Tekla labs (UC Berkeley) and BBL Biohacker in Residence Launch Talks: Tekla Labs - Introduction to Tekla labs mission and an update on work done so far to foster open innovation and access to low cost tools globally Biohacker-In-Residence Program - An introduction to the program by Ron, BBL's CSO and an invitation to apply, as well as an announcement of our first Biohackers in Residence! Speakers for the Event: Lina Nilsson (one of MIT Tech Review's 35 Innovators under 35) and co-founder of Tekla Labs will be speaking about lowering the cost of basic biological research through making access to open source designs available to all. "Lina and the team offer another option: DIY. As cofounder of Tekla Labs, an engineering collective on the Berkeley campus, she's curating and distributing open-source, do-it-yourself designs for the gamut of common lab gear. A shaker for separating excess dye from stained cells, for instance, can be made from a discarded record turntable. A centrifuge can be fashioned from a modified kitchen blender. A thermal cycler for amplifying DNA requires only light bulbs and thermometers. In the hands of scientists who historically have lacked access to equipment, such tools can be powerful engines of innovation--generally, Nilsson says, at about one-tenth the price of high-end commercial equipment." http://www.technologyreview.com/lists/innovators-under-35/2013/visionary/li… Ron Shigeta - Co-Founder and CSO of Berkeley Biolabs will be launching Berkeley Biolabs Biohacker in Residence program. The Hacker-in-Residence program was conceived as a way to foster biotech inventorship, accelerate innovation and strengthen the DIYbio community we love, as well as provide access to the tools and resources that for the most part are still attached to large commercial or academic labs and typically not easily accessible for passion projects or ideas. Come and join us on Thursday and let's accelerate Biotech together! -- Ryan Bethencourt Tel: (415) 825 2705 Conf Call: (650) 741 5013 ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com http://www.litmususa.com/ http://berkeleybiolabs.com/ www.bamh1.com www.linkedin.com/in/bethencourt www.logos-press.com/books/biotechnology_business_development.php

12 years

(in case anyone is at sudo this am)

by David Keenan

big favor in case someone's at sudo this am, and could relay a message (or paste a note) for David Brazil at BAPS : niki will be late to language day this AM - in large part due to some car trouble i had this AM - and i will be very late or MIA.. (david has no cel, thats why im asking) thank you / sorry to spam the list! david

12 years

Fwd: Rare old photos that I have never seen before.

by johanna faust

this was sent to me, was amazing, i had to share. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: johanna faust <female.faust(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Rare old photos that I have never seen before. To: "dragline190d ." <mdouthitt(a)hgparts.com> may I post them? On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:29 AM, johanna faust <female.faust(a)gmail.com>wrote: > wow!!! thanks!!! > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Mark Douthitt <mdouthitt(a)hgparts.com>wrote: > >> Thought these were worth a look! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> RRARE OLD PHOTOGRAPHS >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/2bxQr0N.jpg]September 1933 >> - Adolf Hitler breaks ground on his ambitious plans to link all major >> German cities with highways. This ceremony kicked off construction of the >> Frankfurt-am-Maine - Darmstadt/Mannheim highway. >> >> >> >> Betty White at home with her dog in 1952 >> >> >> >> An iceberg photographed in 1912 bearing an unmistakable mark of >> black and red paint. It is believed that this is the iceberg that sake the >> *Titanic*. >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/x8ijTXi.jpg] >> >> Ham the chimp returns to Earth following his historic 16 minute space >> flight in 1961. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/qp7CxCZ.jpg] >> >> The rather luxurious seating area of the submarine, *The Protector*, in >> 1902. >> >> >> >> Medical students pose with a cadaver around 1890. >> >> >> >> The fuel tanks of the B-24H Liberator "Little Warrior" explode over >> Germany after being hit by anti-aircraft guns in 1944. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/eYsLHlu.jpg] >> >> The Kennedy family leave the funeral of John F. Kennedy in 1963. >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/nOk3vXK.jpg] >> >> Native American couple, Situwuka and Katkwachsnea in 1912. >> >> >> >> Camp Commandant Amon Goeth, infamous from the movie "Schindler's >> List", on the balcony of his house overlooking Plaszow labor camp, Poland. >> 1943-44. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/Or9t9FT.jpg] >> >> Construction of the Sydney Opera House in 1966. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/BqJWpHh.jpg] >> >> 1945 - German POWs weep and sit in disgust as they watch footage shot at >> a German concentration camp. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/G2gbO1R.jpg] >> >> June 1915, Gallipoli: a Turkish sniper/sharpshooter, dressed as a tree, >> is captured by two Anzacs. >> >> >> >> Dinosaurs are transported on the Hudson River to the 1964 World's >> Fair. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/C8zIKki.jpg] >> >> The Golden Gate Bridge around 1935. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/KggW39P.jpg] >> >> Children for sale in Chicago, 1948. Some parents sold their children >> due to poverty. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/sTYW5hg.jpg] >> >> Mourners pay their respect to slain civil rights leader, Medgar Evars in >> 1963. His killer was finally convicted in 1994. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/GhwjSwT.jpg] >> >> Union prisoners receive rations at Fort Sumter in 1864. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/7nKI0x6.jpg] >> >> The mugshot of Tokyo Rose, 1946. >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/z5r7E1J.jpg] >> >> A rescue boat comes alongside the crippled USS West Virginia shortly >> after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/GDQIXen.jpg] >> >> Two childhood friends unexpectedly reunite on opposite sides of a >> demonstration in 1972. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/l8g4EMW.jpg] >> >> Survivors of the *Titanic* are taken on board the *Carpathia* in 1912. >> >> >> >> [image: >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Zniszczenia1939_0.jpg] >> >> Wieluñ just after German Luftwaffe bombing the 1st of >> September 1939. Not only did this bombing provide a spark for World War II, >> but it is generally believed to be the first terrorist bombing in history. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/NgXIyCv.jpg] >> >> Soviet soldiers stand dumfounded at a large pile of human ashes found at >> the Majdanek concentration camp in 1944. >> >> >> >> A burial at sea on board the *USS Lexington* in 1944. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/lldCNqs.jpg] >> >> Crowds rush through the castle on Disneyland's opening day in 1955. >> >> >> >> A lion rides in the sidecar during a performance of The Wall of >> Death carnival attraction at Revere Beach, Massachusetts in 1929. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/kg0zfzz.jpg] >> >> Future presidents Bill Clinton and George Bush with Governor George >> Wallace at a BBQ in 1983. >> >> >> >> [image: http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/LARGE/GPN-2000-000060.jpg] >> >> Dr. Werhner von Braun and Walt Disney in 1954. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/0hdgv2k.jpg] >> >> The Statue of Liberty photographed during a power failure in 1942. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/4VtmgOH.jpg] >> >> The RMS Olympic, the Titanic's sister ship, in wartime camouflage in 1915. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/lJKsgRd.jpg] >> >> Anastasia shares a smoke with her father, Tsar Nicholas II two years >> before their assassination in 1916. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/Q5D3oyS.jpg] >> >> Children rush into a candy store following the end of "sweets rationing" >> in 1953. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/SzIkeZU.jpg] >> >> Soldiers comfort each other during the Korean war in the early 1950's. >> >> >> >> Albert Einstein brings sexy back in 1932. >> >> >> >> What is thought to be the oldest known war photograph: New Hampshirevolunteers depart for the Mexican War in 1846. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/WOdC6ji.jpg] >> >> Coney Island in 1905. >> >> >> >> George W. Bush plays a little dirty rugby for Yale in 1966. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/CnWcHX8.jpg] >> >> Arnold Schwarzenegger shows off to some elderly women in the 1970's. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/UV2uY7x.jpg] >> >> Six year-old Arthur Conan-Doyle in 1865. >> >> >> >> Construction of Hoover Dam in 1934. >> >> >> >> Frank Sinatra asks Lou Gehrig for an autograph in 1939. >> >> >> >> Harry Houdini exposes "spirit trickery" in 1925. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/GJMB6mK.jpg] >> >> OJ Simpson carries the Olympic Torch in 1984. Nichole Brown can be seen >> on the left. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/Hut2oS5.jpg] >> >> A permanent stable cavity caused by the detonation on an underground >> nuclear test in 1961. >> >> >> >> Vladimir Putin and his childhood friends in 1969. None of them >> have been seen since! >> >> >> >> Amelia Earhart receives what proved to be her last haircut in 1937. >> >> >> >> [image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Wartuba.jpg] >> >> The Japanese "War Tuba" used to locate enemy aircraft before the >> invention of radar. Circa 1930. >> >> >> >> Washington-Hoover Airport which was demolished in 1941. This is >> where the Pentagon stands today. >> >> >> >> [image: >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Mark_Twain-Shirtless-ca1…] >> >> Mark Twain in 1883. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xohjtJq.jpg] >> >> The aftermath of the Great Hurricane of 1900 which killed an estimated >> 8,000 people in Galveston, Texas. >> >> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/tMWRjyZ.jpg] >> >> Prosthetic legs in 1900. >> >> >> >> Is this the mummified body of John Wilkes Booth? No... but it >> traveled the country for decades as a carnival exhibit under that claim. >> Circa 1939. >> >> >> >> The earliest known aerial photograph, taken from a balloon over >> Paris in 1858. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > *Be seeing you.* > -- *Be seeing you.* -- *Be seeing you.* -- *Be seeing you.*

12 years

sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 12, Issue 14

by Troy Massey

"You are the source of Freedom : the price of Freedom is awareness and action" Begin forwarded message: From: sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org Date: October 5, 2013 at 9:33:16 PM PDT To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org Subject: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 12, Issue 14 Reply-To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org You can reach the person managing the list at sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 2141 Broadway Co-Op? (Eddan Katz) 2. Re: government shut down & open web (Eddan Katz) 3. Poetry Laboratorio: Filip Marinovich presents Emerging Work from Occupy Wall Street (Romy(a)snowyla.com) 4. Fwd: Tech Forum October 24 (Eddan Katz) 5. Incorporation (Yardena Cohen) 6. Re: Incorporation (GtwoG PublicOhOne) 7. Re: Incorporation (J.D. Zamfirescu) 8. Need video editor to chop and polish this "Tour of Sudo" video we shot. (Max Klein) 9. Re: Incorporation (Patrik D'haeseleer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 20:27:08 -0700 From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> To: Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> Cc: "sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org" <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org>, rhodey <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org>, sudo-crowd(a)lists.sudoroom.org Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] 2141 Broadway Co-Op? Message-ID: <83D1B780-B244-42BE-8C90-21D9855A6DA9(a)clear.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" We could use the sudo-crowd list for organizing. Also mobilizing around Equity Crowdfunding. sent from eddan.com > On Oct 4, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: > > I would propose that the best way to move forward is to get a group together who is willing to put some work in to making this happen and then as that group, which would probablly have to file as an llc or somthing simular, begin negotiations with Goerge. > > I dont really see this as a sudo room specific thing more that sudo room could lease from the 2141 co-op once it owns that portion of the building. > > -Andrew > >> On Oct 3, 2013 1:36 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: >> As I mentioned on my phone-in to the meeting last night, there were no numbers discussed at any point, neither regarding sale nor shares nor rental. >> Not sure how it would make sense to try and figure it out, but I would guess some of you number-crunchers can propose some share/sq. ft. metric. >> >>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Max Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I would like to also talk about co-op purchase greatly. Unfortunately I cannot make the meeting that you proposed at Farley's. It seems like we might also want to have it after a sudo meeting? Well in any case, to get the most participation I've created a doodle for such a meeting: >>> >>> http://doodle.com/bd7ars64a3ngfd4m >>> >>> Should we also include BAPS and CCL since they would be also potential investors? Also it seems like we should get a firmer undesrstanding of what the purchase price and terms would be. Eddan do you have that information? Can someone with connections to George get a non-obligatory estimate price from him? >>> >>> Max >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 1 October 2013 16:54, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I'll be there. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> If people are not quite aware of what Eddan is talking about with the JOBS Act Crowd Funding, It was brought up at our first unconference just as Sudo Room was moving in to 2141. Here's some more information >>>>> >>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyaprive/2012/11/06/inside-the-jobs-act-equit… >>>>> >>>>> I'm definitely interested in talking a discussion of the possible co-oping of a portion of 2141 off line and meeting up at Farley's maybe Monday next week (Oct. 7th) 6pm? Who's down? >>>>> >>>>> --Andrew >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> To try to help answer the question of what exactly happened and what the implications are, let me quote from Eddan's email, emphasis mine (archived here): >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Terminating the current lease means the latter, David. That is - at that point, a new/better lease can be negotiated. Or not, if so decided. While the details on what a co-op purchase would look like still have to be hammered out in detail, it was my understanding from George that he was interested in an arrangement that would include selling off equity in that portion. Different organizations would put up money in their collective shares and that wing would be organized as a co-op with the different organizational/individual owners taking part in the decision-making of managing the building.? >>>>>> >>>>>> and from Hol's email, (archived here): >>>>>> ?I think we've been fortunate to have people (Eddan, Matt, Zach) put their name down in the lease and assume a degree of liability for operations. I interpret the notice to George as a move that is not binding on sudo room in any way, but one that A) allows Eddan and presumably Matt to relinquish their "doing business as" status to a better defined group, B) informs George that his behavior toward tenants will not be met with guaranteed continued tenancy, and C) puts a fire under all of our asses to solve the space/access/community issues elegantly, either by finding a new space or by coming to an agreement and a way forward at 2141. These are just my thoughts, with a grain of salt on specifics as I haven't been going to general meetings recently but I guess it's time to start doing that again since this is a matter of great importance.? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:05 PM, rhodey <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org> wrote: >>>>>>> All that myself and others have asked of you is that you provide a bit >>>>>>> more detailed information about the discussion you had while terminating >>>>>>> the lease. Your name was on the lease, I believe you have every right to >>>>>>> terminate the lease in order to remove your name. What I cannot >>>>>>> understand is why you consider questions regarding the discussion you >>>>>>> had off topic or offensive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For the sake of moving on to the work we have cut out for us - this >>>>>>>> is my last message addressing this topic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm confused as to how we're supposed to continue onto the work we have >>>>>>> cut out for us without knowing the details and expectations surrounding >>>>>>> the termination of our lease. I was not asking "why" did this happen, I >>>>>>> was (am) asking "what" happened. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am removing myself from any further discussion regarding the 2141 >>>>>>> location on this mailing list, apologies to those who's feelings were hurt. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- rhodey >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/01/2013 03:43 PM, Eddan Katz wrote: >>>>>>>> This is an extraordinarily unfair thing to say. On so many levels. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm sorry that I have not articulated myself better. Those who know me, know that the message below is unfounded and mean-spirited. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For the sake of moving on to the work we have cut out for us - this is my last message addressing this topic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sent from eddan.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2013, at 3:09 PM, rhodey <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eddan, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You took it upon yourself to terminate SudoRoom's lease in (what I >>>>>>>> understand to be) a private meeting. Putting the question of whether >>>>>>>> or not this was agreed on by SudoRoom aside, the very least that you >>>>>>>> could do is share with us the details of a discussion you had on our >>>>>>>> behalf. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Take a second to realize that although the idea of investing in >>>>>>>> property is both interesting and financially feasible for you, others >>>>>>>> may not feel the same or be financially able. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- rhodey >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/01/2013 02:54 PM, Eddan Katz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it makes any sense to lump this into one of george's >>>>>>>>>>> emotional outbursts. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> as we've all been following closely over this list, the equity >>>>>>>>>>> crowdfunding provision of the Jobs Act, which went into effect last >>>>>>>>>>> week on Sept. 23, 2013, enables the distribution of shares outside >>>>>>>>>>> the traditional infrastructure of approved investors. the changes >>>>>>>>>>> in the future of capital flow routing around wall st. and the rules >>>>>>>>>>> surrounding investment cannot be underestimated. by opening up the >>>>>>>>>>> buying of stocks to us regular folks - with capital investment no >>>>>>>>>>> longer made unaffordable because of the huge cuts taken by >>>>>>>>>>> investment bank intermediaries and securities regulations >>>>>>>>>>> fortifying the status quo - the possibilities for raising capital >>>>>>>>>>> have just exploded. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> most interestingly, from my point of view, a collaborative >>>>>>>>>>> non-hierarchical ownership and management structure becomes >>>>>>>>>>> feasible in a way that it has never been in economic history. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2013, at 2:07 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> as far as i know eddan is the only one who has spoken with >>>>>>>>>>>> george, one of the building's owners, about the co-op >>>>>>>>>>>> possibility. eddan, can you share any more info about what >>>>>>>>>>>> exactly george said (my main question is whether this is just >>>>>>>>>>>> another one of george's idle threat type things that he just says >>>>>>>>>>>> and never intends to follow through on).? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Zee <zee(a)zeespencer.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:zee@zeespencer.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am exceedingly interested in this, and would happily discuss >>>>>>>>>>>> it further over tea or coffee with other interested parties. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Andrew >>>>>>>>>>>> <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com <mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no idea what the price per sq-ft is. We should find >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> out. Also >>>>>>>>>>>>> having the capital isn't really as important as having a small >>>>>>>>>>>> group who is >>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to put in the time and resources when necessary to >>>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>> it happen. >>>>>>>>>>>>> With good enough credit it would be possible to finance the >>>>>>>>>>>> space depending >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the down payment. Or even crowd source the down payment. >>>>>>>>>>>> There are a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>> of options if there are people who actually want to it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:hol@gaskill.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bump >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oct 1, 2013 10:51:46 AM, zee(a)zeespencer.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:zee@zeespencer.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an idea on what the per-sq-ft sale cost is? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 10:50 AM, David Keenan >>>>>>>>>>>> dkeenan44(a)gmail.com <mailto:dkeenan44@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The co-op thing sounds like a very cool idea, except for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> fact that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither I nor anyone I know has, to my knowledge at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least, >>>>>>>>>>>> access to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the volume of capital that i imagine is required, so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm still a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit lost on how one would move forward on such an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquisition..? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -d >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 1, 2013, Andrew wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't been around all that much, but am I correct >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the current situation is that: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Sudo Room's current lease ends Jan 1st 2. George is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to sell off part of 2141 to a group of >>>>>>>>>>>> investors? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If this is so. Let's talk 2141 Co-Op. Is there anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> this list who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be at all interested in owning part of a building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> the middle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Downtown Oakland?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sudo Room or not, this is a great opportunity for a >>>>>>>>>>>> collective to turn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some extremely prime real estate in to a commercial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Co-Op. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just wanted to bring attention to this. Thoughts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tel:831-332-2507> http://roshambomedia.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://roshambomedia.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://roshambomedia.com <http://roshambomedia.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss >>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss >>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss >>>>>>>>>>> mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ------- >>>>> Andrew Lowe >>>>> Cell: 831-332-2507 >>>>> http://roshambomedia.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

12 years

1 year anniversary of "people's kitchen" VolxKuche aka VokuSF

by Matthew Senate

Hey all, Please consider attending VolxKuche also known as VokuSF on February 28th for the 1-year anniversary of a new local institution. February 28th, 6-9pm St. Cyprian's Church 2097 Turk @ Lyon, SF Northern Haight Ashbury MUNI 31 stops on Turk at Lyon or a few blocks from MUNI 5, 24, 38 & 43; On Bike Route 20. Musical Featuring: Swallow (Accordion, Bass, Drums) and Thee Hobo Gobbelins (Troglodyte Jug band ov thee Unseelie Court. Gobbelins @BANDCAMP) I've added the meal to our calendar, both listings for 2nd Fridays and Last Fridays: https://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/vokusf2ndfriday/ https://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/vokusflastfriday/ // Matt

12 years

Tomorrow: Bayesian Inference for Everyone: The (best) Probability of Causes

by Sam Tepper

Hello Sudoers, *T**omorrow* at *6:30*, you are invited to join us, at the fabled 'Noisebridge', as we investigate how to make better inferences using Bayesian heuristics and algorithms. You are welcome to bring your own data, qnd/or you can take part in designing and implementing your very own Bayesian spam filter on the infamous noisebridge-discuss archive. If you have your own project, you are encouraged to talk about it and/or work on it as well. part of our machine learning <https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Machine_Learning> series. Food, beer, and cheer are all greatly appreciated. Sam On 02/02/2014 08:48 PM, Sam Tepper wrote: > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: ml class feb 13 (Thurs): Bayesian Inference for everyone: > The (Best) Probability of Causes > Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 20:36:16 -0800 > From: Sam Tepper <sam.tepper(a)gmail.com> > To: ml(a)lists.noisebridge.net > > > > Join us for a night of statistics and machine learning for all levels > of skill and comfort at the fabled hacker heritage site in SF, > Noisebridge. > > Bayes rule "cracked the Enigma code, hunted down Russian submarines, > and emerged...from two centuries of controversy"! > > Bayesian inference is about how to use Bayes rule (and its > generalizations) to make decisions and conduct optimal rational inquiry. > > We'll be looking at data sets of your choice. Add you info here > <https://noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Machine_Learning&action=edit&sectio…> > or contact Mike <cubicgoats(a)gmail.com> if you want to add your data > set to our git repository, and discuss/collaborate on your data for > the class. I may also provide data I've acquired from some > interesting external sources. > > If you're using Bayesian statistics or would like to use Bayesian > statistics on your own, we will also talk about best practices and > powerful tools that everyone can use (such as may be found in some > Python libraries and AI algorithms). > > Class starts at 6:30 (7 sharp). Please bring food, beer, and/or good > cheer. > > -Sam > >

12 years

Fwd: Overdue account warning from Electric Embers

by refugia

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