>> Just put a big fucking antenna on the roof and start broadcasting, if
>> you don't, i will, god damnit.
>>
>> Stop overthinking things and do it.
>
> Why? So you can inflict a $20,000 fine on Sudo Room as quickly as
> humanly possible?
it takes a long time and a lot of work and listeners before you even get
the ten-day warning, let alone an unenforcable fine. Don't forget that
Berkeley Liberation Radio has been broadcasting for almost ten years now,
interrupted more often by their own failures than by two FCC raids where
the FCC basically snatched their equipment and fled like cowards.
No one at BLR has ever been successfully "fined", and even the NAL (Notice
of Apparent Liability) filed against Stephen Dunifer of FRB before them
has just sat uncollected, like almost all NALs against pirates, for twenty
years now. Stephen's very public response to the Notice of Apparent
Liability was "Apparently not."
The FCC's fine enforcement mechanism is to threaten to revoke your
stations lisence. This works when they fine lisenced broadcasters for the
seven deadly words or whatever, but filed against an unlisenced person
it's a joke. Witness the fine against Daniel Robert of Pirate Cat Radio,
which is an example of a person who put his full name all over everything
and even corresponded with the FCC in the mail, making it personal. They
haven't even collected anything from him.
here's the story of pirate cat's fine:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/10/fcc-fines-monkey-man-radio-pirat…
The point is, if sudoroom decides as a group to broadcast a signal from
the roof or wherever (we can stream over the internet you know) then
sudoroom can decide for itself whether it wants to keep going after
getting a "ten day notice to cease broadcasting" If that EVER happens.
http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-264276A1.html
and if a broadcast is not coming from the building where sudoroom is, then
it is not even a matter for sudoroom to have to decide on. Sudoroom can
continue to have an internet streaming radio station and leave it at that.
Sudo-ers,
I mailed this list a couple weeks ago, but wanted to ask again. For the
next Oakland Nights Live, on the evening of November 9th, we are having a
series of booths to visit rather than a proper stage show. There will be a
variety artists, performers, and informers who will interact with a few
audience members at a time. We would love to have 1 or 2 people from the
Sudo room have a booth or do a demonstration if any of you are excited
about it.
I'd be happy to answer any questions, and I can give you more info to
anyone who is interested.
Thanks for any interest and thanks in general for sharing the space with us.
-Jeremy
Hi everyone,
Berkeley Wikipedia editathon on Nov 16: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Wikipedia:Meetup/Berkeley/2013/Nov16 ! Whether you've never contributed to
Wikipedia before or you've been editing since ought four, you should come.
- Marina
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From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle(a)kcoyle.net>
Date: Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia-SF] Page created for Berkeley edit-a-thon, Nov. 16
To: "wikimedia-sf(a)lists.wikimedia.org" <wikimedia-sf(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
I now have a page for the upcoming edit-a-thon. It will look very similar
to the page for the previous one (ok, I copied most of it).
Please add any edits that occur to you. I will run down and take a picture
of the South Branch since the one on the BPL page doesn't have rights info.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Berkeley/2013/Nov16
I hope some folks can make it. Note that this branch has been newly
renovated and includes the tool lending library, one of the few of its
kind. It also is next door to the Wat Mongkolratanaram Buddhist temple
(known for its Sunday brunch, and whose article needs citations).
I'll keep hacking away at the page over the next few days.
kc
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Hi sudoroom! A little while back I mentioned an interest in starting
classes that work towards data literacy, and wanted to give an update with
some ideas and plans, with the hope that people who are interested in
helping out or already doing similar things would come out of the woodwork.
First - I've heard about the morning math meetups through the list and
think it sounds great. My partner and I want to teach a hands-on curriculum
for "Math Literacy" to interested people of all educational backgrounds. It
would include everything from arithmetic to algebra to geometry,
trigonometry, and calculus. I'm hoping to even have a basic introduction to
plotting functions and working with arrays using web-based python terminals.
I want to find interested students and teachers, so if any of this appeals
to you, please let me know! I'm going to make a trip out to sudoroom
probably in two weeks, perhaps we could meet up and talk about it. I'll be
at Noisebridge this Tuesday as well.
Second - I'm going to restart machine learning classes at Noisebridge, and
am also looking for interested students and teachers. The ML wiki page,
along with a link to join the mailing list, is here:
https://www.noisebridge.net/Machine_Learning
See you soon,
mike
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>
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That having been said, I also would stand by Marc's actions. There should be some way to put a temporary suspension on an email address in the immediate term to stop a barrage of emails as a cooling off mechanism.
I think it's worth acknowledging how thankless a job running a listserv can be and thank Marc for doing it for as long as he has, with very little help, and while being admirably responsive. I've never done that job myself, and don't envy the position.
On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
> I'll 4th & 5th that.
> I was trying to direct Giovanni's enthusiasm to be most useful on the Sudo-radio list. I still think that would be the most appropriate move.
>
> It is in fact true that this is a huge and awesome open window in spectrum allocation and it would be a shame to miss it. How Giovanni has tried to go about convincing everyone of that has clearly been counter-productive. His promise to put together a brief note about how to register before Nov. 14 and what it takes to do that - would be very useful information.
>
> I dare say though that if annoying is a criteria for being banned on this list - as a subjective matter many would be on thin ice. (No offense. Myself included.)
>
> I think that ad hoc unilateral banning is an overextension of the individual power any Sudo-er should have. Something that was mentioned could justify removal from the Board. I would suggest we have more than one person with the power to ban people from our mailing list. And that those people be charged with doing do according to some predictable and ascertainable policy.
>
>
> sent from eddan.com
>
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:47 AM, "Danny Spitzberg" <stationaery(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wholeheartedly 2nd, 3rd the sentiment and suggestion to have a conversation (via email if not IRL) with Giovanni to tame his exuberance and use the list more judiciously.
>>
>> "Banning" without first taking initiative to educate and include in understanding expecte practices is straight-up draconian -- eliminating not solving the problem.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Banning someone for being annoying is something you guys will probably have to do often and you should definitely not do it.
>>
>>
>> As far as I can tell, what makes NB dis functional is their commitment to come one come all. "All" is not a great group, necessarily. If you are trying to build a club that is self-governing, it has to have people in it whose judgment you trust. There's nothing wrong with that I think.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 31, 2013, GtwoG PublicOhOne wrote:
>>
>> IMHO that seems excessively harsh. Banning someone from the list is similar enough to banning them from the space, that it seems to me such things entail a collective action by the community rather than an administrative action or unilateral action by e.g. a list admin or someone with keys to the door. Spambots and overt criminals are one thing, but people who are merely annoying in some way are another.
>>
>> Really: With all the talk about anarcho-this and collectivist-that and consensus-the-other-thing, seems to me that unilaterally banning someone for being merely annoying is a pretty major contradiction to core principles.
>>
>> If you or someone else wants to ban someone from the list or the space, aside from emergencies such as bots and criminals, there are dispute-resolution processes in place for that.
>>
>> So I'm going to stick my neck out and ask that you reinstate him on the list, and initiate the use of whatever collective processes exist for resolving the issues you have with him.
>>
>> -G
>>
>>
>> =====
>>
>>
>> On 13-10-31-Thu 2:54 AM, Marc Juul wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:24 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01(a)att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> What happened? I thought the "john re" address had been captured or spoofed by a spammer, but "giovanni_re" was a legit user, most recently discussing the FCC application. Did the _giovanni_re" identity turn out to be some kind of wolf in sheep's clothing? -G
>>>
>>> He was banned for spamming the list about the FCC thing. Nine emails in nine different threads over the course of a few hours about a project that he has stated that he himself is not willing to work on. That is not reasonable. He also showed up for the sudo room and counter culture labs meetings and took an unreasonable amount of the community's time trying to push this project onto others. It appears that he has been doing similar things at noisebridge and other tech groups in the bay area.
>>>
>>> In addition: Starting and running an LPFM station is no minor undertaking, and Giovanni has continued his attempts to push this on people even in the face of little interest. This might have all been fine if he was actually spearheading the project, but he is not.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marc
>>
>>
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Could this proposed list be more broadly a community marketplace, that
allows people to offer their goods or services specifically to the
sub-section of Sudo folks opt-in interested?
I would imagine that such an exchange would also encourage barter of
goods and services within the community. In the long term, perhaps an
alternative commodity exchange could be supported.
Chris B - are you volunteering to manage the list?
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] cargo tricycle & burley bike trailer on CL
Date: 2013-11-04 17:17
From: Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk>
To: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>
Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org>
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com
[8]> wrote:
> This kind of information on craigslist finds has popped up from time
> to time in the contexts of other discussions and projects but if its
> going to be broadcast regularly on its own merits it may be better to
> establish a specific list for the purpose to make opting in / out as
> straightforward as possible.
I agree. I dont think interesting craigslist finds belong on the
discuss
list, but Ill be happy to create a new list if youre interested Chris?
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Marc/Juul
Â
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Dick Wolf <hotelcompany(a)gmail.com
> [5]> wrote:
>
>> Saw a couple of items I thought Id share on here...
>>
>> Industrial tricycle for $495 in Berkeley, listed 11-04 -
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bid/4171311031.html [1]
>>
>> Burley bike trailer for $25 in Brentwood, relisted 11-04 -
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/4157637465.html [2]
>>
>> If its okay with everyone here Ill post interesting CL items I come
>> across on the list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris B
>>
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