Re: [sudo-discuss] Buy the building report back thread

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Re: [omni-consensus] Buy the building report back thread (Mary Ann Tenuto) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laura Turiano <scylla(a)riseup.net> To: "discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org>rg>, " consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org>rg>, " finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org> Cc: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 21:05:22 -0700 Subject: [omni-discuss] Buy the building report back thread Everyone, At the delegates meeting we discussed the proposal to buy the building by creating a tenants in common agreement between Omni Commons and one member collective that is a 501c3. Please see the proposal and additional information on the pad (pad.riseup.net/p/omninom) if you didn't see it before. We agreed to update each other at least once a week on the progress of discussions in the collectives and the development of the contracts. This is the thread where we will put our updates. Everyone is welcome to attend the Finance/fundraising working group meeting at 6pm on Mondays to get more information or raise any concerns/questions. Laura ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd(a)gmail.com> To: Laura Turiano <scylla(a)riseup.net> Cc: "consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org>rg>, " discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org>rg>, " finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 21:34:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [omni-discuss] [omni-consensus] Buy the building report back thread Thanks Laura, One thing I didn't understand about the two-non-profit idea was whether this was just a temporary fix, and eventually the ownership of the building would be with the Omni, or whether the building will be shared in perpetuity between the Omni and Sudo. If this is intended to be a permanent arrangement, I would greatly prefer setting up a new 501(c)3 just for the purpose of receiving the donation, even if that might take a bit longer to arrange. Patrik On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Laura Turiano <scylla(a)riseup.net> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> To: "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd(a)gmail.com> Cc: "consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org>rg>, " discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org>rg>, " finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 01:49:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [omni-discuss] [omni-consensus] Buy the building report back thread Replying all primarily for those I just subscribed who signed up for the mailing list at the end of the meeting - apologies! Your thoughts welcome and appreciated ~ Jenny Help open a people-powered common space in Oakland, California! https://omnicommons.org/donate `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> To: Laura Turiano <scylla(a)riseup.net> Cc: "consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org>rg>, " discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org>rg>, " finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 09:05:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [omni-discuss] [omni-consensus] Buy the building report back thread On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Laura Turiano <scylla(a)riseup.net> wrote: Hi all, I'm really sorry I'm not more involved right now and very much appreciate all the work that's being done to make this project work! I have some questions about this proposal... * Why can't the donor just wait until January? Do they really need that 2016 write-off? * Would it work to create a new project that's fiscally sponsored by a 501c3? (like Sudo, CCL, FNB) * Maybe we should get a second legal opinion on ways to make this work. Anyone know a good accountant? I don't know any behind-the-scenes info, but it seems like this would fundamentally change how power works at Omni. Right now anybody in the community can come to a delegates meeting or this list to voice their concerns about use of space, but under this scheme, half the building would be off limits. For instance, there's been a proposal to have a co-working space in the basement, and some people have been blocking consensus for a while because of their concerns. If hypothetically, Sudoroom's 50% included the basement, there would be no way for people to have any say. I'm not saying I'm for or against Marcus's plan, but if there is strong opposition to it, it seems like a good thing that people have a chance to talk it through rather than be forced to accept it. I would most like to hear from people who aren't Sudoroom members in this conversation, because it seems they would have the most to lose. I hope the fiscal urgency - and our desire to be polite to our hard-working friends - doesn't overshadow questions about values and power. I hope nobody feels pressured to keep quiet during this process. That could do a lot of damage to the community. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mary Ann Tenuto <cezmat(a)igc.org> To: Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> Cc: "consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org>rg>, " discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org>rg>, " finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 10:47:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [omni-discuss] [omni-consensus] Buy the building report back thread I’m inclined to share some of Patrik’s and Yar’s feelings. I think it’s at least worth exploring/researching the option of another nonprofit, which I believe was Option D in our meeting with Jesse. Since time is of the essence, that would need to be an important first part of the exploration/research. Mary Ann _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss