5 Feb
2015
5 Feb
'15
12:02 p.m.
I was hoping someone could clear a few things up:
1) Is Perry, right now, banned from the Omni Commons space?
2) If not, is any member unilaterally empowered to ban him right now?
3) And if that happened, would he only be unbanned is through 100%
consensus of the entire group?
4) And would this consensus be reached at a CDC meeting or another meeting?
-Al
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Steve Bloom <stevebloom55(a)gmail.com> wrote:
He's a guitar teacher of some sort, IIRC with a
poster in the entry, so
perhaps has some connection to musical activities at Omni. I've
experienced him too, both times somewhat drunk and having lost his sense of
boundaries in part. I didn't feel threatened, but I can see how most
would.
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Ryan <yandoryn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I like the phrase space-invaded because it just
made me think of Space
Invaders which made me think of making a Safe Space top-down shooter video
game, which made me smile.
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Oh, *that* dude. So sorry you were space-invaded,
Ryan :(
I remember being in the mezzanine when Perry was in the ballroom,
reading Sarah's report about the incident with him peeking into the Disco
Room, then overheard him say to someone on the phone about being asked to
stop, "Dude, I was just looking at this beautiful naked dancer, I mean wow"
and turning to Matt or Marc, can't recall, and fuming that I'd love to go
kick that creep out of the space.
Wish I had then. Fully in support of his ban but don't personally have
the bandwidth to steward a mediation process. I think he might know Gabby
from Rise Above, or seemed to be helping / around that area some. CC'ing
her to see if she has his contact info.
/jnny
On 02/03/2015 02:49 PM, David Keenan wrote:
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Hi all,
Yes, I agree, this person should persona non grata pending mediation.
Perry is an olderish white guy musician who comes around sometimes,
much of
the time seriously drunk it would appear. Being
drunk seems to clearly
impair his judgement and his actions become invasive to others in the
ways
Ryan describes.
My history with him is only the following. I first talked to him a
while
ago asking him to turn down his electric guitar
in the ballroom while a
large meeting was taking place in La Commune - he complied. I noticed
he
really did reek of alcohol. I asked if he
volunteered with any
collective,
he said FNB - but he didn't know where the
kitchen was, or that there
was
even a basement, which rang alarm bells for me
(ie, it was probably a
fib.)
I later followed up with Helen and Joe and they
said they had never
heard
of him, and that sometimes people 'say'
theyre in FNB but aren't
really..
Anyhow, Perry left the ballroom and wandered upstairs by the kitchen
above
La Commune, now playing the mandolin -
'quietly', yes - but alas still
distracting to those in the large meeting below, and I again asked if
he
could play music in the basement or another room
in the building until
the
meeting as finished - he complied, but seemed
pretty out of it and not
understanding why (drunk).
I later found out that while upstairs he was 'peeking' into the Disco
Room
on a dance rehearsal that made those inside feel
uncomfortable and
Sarah
sent an email out to that effect. Next time I saw
him, I re-introduced
myself, took him up to the dance room and let him know that they
require
privacy and to not do that. He said he had
something of one the dancers
inside and was trying to return it to her.. I did not verify whether
this
was true or not, but since the dancers did not
seem to know him, it
seems
doubtful.
Then, one day after that, he was walking into the building and I
admittedly
gave him a bit of a 'side-eye' on the way
in because I wasn't sure if
he
was wasted or what. He himself came up to me and
said, "why'd you give
me
that look?", and I said, it appears you come
into the building drunk,
and
we can't have drunk people in here - you
aren't known to our
community, and
I don't know what you will do in that state.
I said if you want to get
drunk, try not to come here. To his credit he admitted being drunk the
aforementioned day, agreed it was unacceptable, and said that wasn't
going
to happen again.
But, since it has happened again, to my mind that is grounds to ban him
pending mediation that he will have to arrange.
Does anyone know him, or have his email?
Best,
David
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Ryan <yandoryn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> fwding this to sudo and cdc as well
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ryan <yandoryn(a)gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:59 PM
> Subject: Proposed Safe Space Ban: Perry
> To: "discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org"
<discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org>rg>,
> David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>
>
>
> Perry, who as far as I know is not affiliated with any collective in
the
> space, was at the Omni until late last
night. He was heavily
inebriated and
> reeked of alcohol.
>
> In attempting to talk with me, he got incredibly touchy-feely and
further
> invaded my space, getting so close that I
could feel his breath on
my skin.
> I informed him loudly that touch needs to be
consensual in the space
and
> that he should ask me before touching me. I
told him that the safe
space
> policy is next to the front door and that he
should read it. I
managed to
> get away from him, but he followed me
outside.
>
> Ribre (sp?) was outside with her guitar and he sat down next to her,
> invaded her space, and tried to strike up a seemingly very
uncomfortable
> conversation. She told him that whatever he
was talking about was
something
> that he'd have to deal with on his own,
not with her, and that she
cannot
> deal with drunk men, and that they make her
unsafe. Instead of
ceasing the
> conversation, he got closer and tried to
tell her that they needed to
> continue it.
>
> He continued in this vein for a while longer, until I loudly
informed him
> that the conversation was not consensual and
he needed to stop. He
started
> to argue with me, however RAYC was able to
defuse Perry and lead him
away
> from the interaction.
>
> I spoke to Kwe and Juul before they left, to make sure I had backup
if I
> needed to ask Perry to leave the building.
Eventually, I was the only
> member left in the building, so I asked RAYC to shut down the
building for
> me, and that I was only comfortable vouching
for him and Nicholas.
RAYC got
> Perry to leave.
>
> I spoke with David Keenan this morning, explaining the situation,
and DK
> said that he has spoken to Perry in the past
about his behaviour,
> specifically his behaviour when under the influence of alcohol. I
will let
> DK speak more to that.
>
> Is anyone aware of a collective that Perry is involved with? In my
> conversation with DK, he said that when he spoke to Perry he said he
was
> with FNB, but was probably lying, as he
didn't even know where the
kitchen
> was. Regardless, I ask that Perry be banned
from the Omni, pending
> mediation, as his actions clearly violate our safe space policy and
he
> refused to take action to alter his
behaviour.
>
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