14 May
2014
14 May
'14
12:13 p.m.
Not sure what your angle on property rights is, but I will add that
NIMBYism is about asserting control over other people's property, using
imbalances and inefficiencies in the municipal zoning system.
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Craig Rouskey <craigrouskey(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Gentrification. It makes me think of that bench on
Adeline that says "Do
something for Oakland or Leave."
To me, doing something for the community - i.e. using our privilege to
educate and grow community across class, race and other social lines - acts
as a counterbalance to the gross non-aware/hyper-consumerist gentrification
that we see disintegrating communities throughout the bay.
I could continue to ramble on (especially about people who tout "property
rights" then blame SF residents for their property-protective NIMBY
policies as a way to validate gentrification), but I won't. Not here.
Instead, I'll suggest that we all acknowledge that we live in a constantly
growing and changing place whose face changes simply by the amount of money
thrown at it...really, it's as bad as Liberace. We have these internal
conversations and the truth is, it's not us. We are not driving
gentrification. We are all doing what we have to do to stay in the bay
area. Some of us try to make the communities we exist in better, some of us
try to suck the life out of them.
That is all.
Craig
To quote Janis Joplin "It's all the same fucking day, man."
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Yeah some of the non rent downsides of
gentrification are worth
enumerating because they are way more in our control. Here is the list I
have experienced:
Reduced neighborhood tolerance for semi-legitamate venues that have
concerts and parties
Increased enforcement of BS code violations like, "no working on your car
in the street"
Now you go, those are the only 2 I can think of.
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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With all respect, Oren, limiting a discussion of
gentrification to rent
levels strikes me as a bit reductionist. It a gnarly, complex problem,
seems to me, and rather the antithesis of taking the "...thread to a more
encompassing awareness..." I.e., seems less encompassing, and considerably
so.
Whether or not it's appropriate for this list I'll leave for others to
decide, but I do have $0.02 to contribute on that point: I've seen lots of
other discussions over the past 2 years on this that were at least as
inappropriate, if not more so.
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
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is this discussion appropriate to this list?
would be a great discussion for
http://oaklandwiki.org/What_should_we_do_about_gentrification%3Fand/or
http://oaklandwiki.org/gentrification
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
> i think talking about stemming price inflation altogether inevitably
> redirects to monetary policy
>
> couldn't find consistent info on "anti-fnord". why don't you fill
us
> in?
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> on May 13, 2014, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >Make sure Oakland builds fast enough to absorb new arrivals. >>On
> Tuesday, May 13, 2014, Oren Beck <orenbeck(a)gmail.com>
wrote:>>There's
> a set of presumptions that can inherently defy our best efforts at
> redirection>even when we can offer concrete factual refutations. >>
> I unhesitatingly use the phrase "Breaking Set&Setting" as a most apt
> one, Call it>an "Anti-Fnord! so to speak... Do look up the ancestry of the
> terms if they're not>old friends:)> >
> Summary- We've a set and setting that demands inflation of rents as
> if it were desirable,>or even mandatory. the end result is inevitable yet
> NOT mandatory. Can we discuss>strategies to fix the Rent Problem? >
> > >
> >>Oren Beck>>816.632.3695
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