16 Jan
2014
16 Jan
'14
7:19 a.m.
Hello sudo-ers
Let me introduce myself, although some of you know me already. My name is
Noémie, I'm French - among other things.
I discovered sudo-room last September. It was the first time I set foot in
a hackerspace, and it kind of blew my mind. At sudo room, I discovered the
concept of open source, a concept I didn't really know till then. That,
together with a lot of really great encounters and conversations, kind of
changed things for me, and made me realize that even in what I do in life
(films), I can do things completely differently. Up to now the film
industry has been very hierarchical, in many different ways, and it always
made me uncomfortable. Only recently did I understand that if I sense that
something’s not fair, I can actually do something about it. That was an
empowering realization.
So I've been playing with the idea of making an open source documentary
film at/about sudo room. Before I go any further, I would just like to say
that I saw you're trying to agree on a sort of chart about the conditions
under which you'd be willing to have people film at sudo room, and it all
seems very reasonable to me.
I'd like to expose you my idea, for you to tell me what you think, and
also, if anyone among you would like to participate. I’m hoping that (at
least some of) the ones who will be in the film will also participate in
the making of the film. The project would probably be scattered over a few
months, so that it doesn't feel heavy, but also so that there is time to
develop a genuine narrative, and to follow one or a few projects that could
constitute the backbone of a story.
The question I've been fiddling with is the following: how to make it open
source? And beyond just putting the footage under CC license and leaving it
available somewhere on the internet, how to make it an exciting experiment,
an opportunity to create new processes in film making that are non
hierarchical and more participative? To me the question is also a pragmatic
one: how can this participative process allow to create compelling films
with a vision, films that people actually want to watch, beyond the open
source community?
The idea is to develop a sort of github for editing movies in a
collaborative way, so that as the film is being shot and made, there is a
tool online that allows to do things together:
- rate, annotate, underline the footage or parts of it, organize it
- upload videos, music, etc.
- edit sequences.
- fork the project to create a different timeline and a different movie.
This tool would be free of access and available not only to the people
involved in the project but to anyone, and hopefully will generate a cool
community of users who want to be empowered film viewers *and* makers. To
me it's the continuation of genius director Chris Marker's work with the
Medvedkin Groups in the 60's. * (see below if you want to know more about
it!).
I've been talking about the possibility of building this tool with a really
great and talented hacker that some of you know, Robert M Ochshorn. He's
already made some great advancement on the future of video (two works of
his: http://interlace.videovortex9.net also check
http://montageinterdit.net) and he'd be excited to continue with this
project. I’m excited too actually! I think it could change the whole idea
of how to make films, and what it is to be a spectator, and what is a truly
participative movie... So I’m offering to do an experiment, and I think
sudo room would definitely be the best place to do it, not only because of
all places, it is the one where I would want to experiment in a fun way.
Also because I envision a really good, touching, fun and awakening movie...
hopefully more than one movie!! I hope that after the 1.0 movie is
released, it is only the beginning of an adventure consisting in hacking
the movie. Making a different version of it, maybe more than one.
I'll be in Oakland starting from February and I'm thinking of spending some
time at sudo - probably for other projects as well. I'd like to take this
time to think of how to do it, what story (ies) to tell, talk about the
project to whomever among you is interested in participating in it, and see
more concretely how it could be done in a participative way, but also with
a vision, and a unity, so that it actually has a reach.
I wrote this email today because I’d like everyone to know about it, and
open a discussion that I hope will mostly take place in real life when I’ll
be here in February rather than on this email list, although I would be
happy to already get some feedback, questions, advice or ideas that you
think are relevant at this stage…
Thank you!
A bientôt :)
Noémie
* Chris Marker went to film the factory strikes in Besancon; and when he
showed his film to the workers, they said that he’s completely incompetent,
that it does not represent their point of view at all, that this director
from Paris is just like the bosses that exploit them. Chris Marker agreed
that the film was filmed from his point of view, and created with the
workers the Medevkin groups. He shared with them the material, the means
and the knowhow to create their own movies, and helped them to re-edit his
own footage. Some of the films of the Medvedkin groups are amazing.
--
Noémie Serfaty
108 rue du Faubourg du Temple
75011 Paris
Tel: 06 27 76 88 84
Tel: 01 71 50 51 82
noemieserfaty(a)gmail.com
17 Jan
17 Jan
8:43 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Noemie Serfaty <noemieserfaty(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hello sudo-ers
Let me introduce myself, although some of you know me already. My name is
Noémie, I'm French - among other things.
I discovered sudo-room last September. It was the first time I set foot in
a hackerspace, and it kind of blew my mind. At sudo room, I discovered the
concept of open source, a concept I didn't really know till then. That,
together with a lot of really great encounters and conversations, kind of
changed things for me, and made me realize that even in what I do in life
(films), I can do things completely differently. Up to now the film
industry has been very hierarchical, in many different ways, and it always
made me uncomfortable. Only recently did I understand that if I sense that
something’s not fair, I can actually do something about it. That was an
empowering realization.
This is so heart-warming to read.
So I've been playing with the idea of making an open source documentary
film at/about sudo room. Before I go any further, I would just like to say
that I saw you're trying to agree on a sort of chart about the conditions
under which you'd be willing to have people film at sudo room, and it all
seems very reasonable to me.
I'd like to expose you my idea, for you to tell me what you think, and
also, if anyone among you would like to participate. I’m hoping that (at
least some of) the ones who will be in the film will also participate in
the making of the film. The project would probably be scattered over a few
months, so that it doesn't feel heavy, but also so that there is time to
develop a genuine narrative, and to follow one or a few projects that could
constitute the backbone of a story.
The question I've been fiddling with is the following: how to make it open
source? And beyond just putting the footage under CC license and leaving it
available somewhere on the internet, how to make it an exciting experiment,
an opportunity to create new processes in film making that are non
hierarchical and more participative? To me the question is also a pragmatic
one: how can this participative process allow to create compelling films
with a vision, films that people actually want to watch, beyond the open
source community?
A thousand times yes. Reminds me of the quote.
“*When the structure of a work is one of its themes, another of its themes
is art*.” - Gertrude Stein
The idea is to develop a sort of github for editing movies in a
collaborative way, so that as the film is being shot and made, there is a
tool online that allows to do things together:
- rate, annotate, underline the footage or parts of it, organize it
- upload videos, music, etc.
- edit sequences.
- fork the project to create a different timeline and a different movie.
This tool would be free of access and available not only to the people
involved in the project but to anyone, and hopefully will generate a cool
community of users who want to be empowered film viewers *and* makers. To
me it's the continuation of genius director Chris Marker's work with the
Medvedkin Groups in the 60's. * (see below if you want to know more about
it!).
I've been talking about the possibility of building this tool with a
really great and talented hacker that some of you know, Robert M Ochshorn.
He's already made some great advancement on the future of video (two
works of his: http://interlace.videovortex9.net also check
http://montageinterdit.net) and he'd be excited to continue with this
project. I’m excited too actually! I think it could change the whole idea
of how to make films, and what it is to be a spectator, and what is a truly
participative movie... So I’m offering to do an experiment, and I think
sudo room would definitely be the best place to do it, not only because of
all places, it is the one where I would want to experiment in a fun way.
Also because I envision a really good, touching, fun and awakening movie...
hopefully more than one movie!! I hope that after the 1.0 movie is
released, it is only the beginning of an adventure consisting in hacking
the movie. Making a different version of it, maybe more than one.
I'll be in Oakland starting from February and I'm thinking of spending
some time at sudo - probably for other projects as
well. I'd like to take
this time to think of how to do it, what story (ies) to tell, talk about
the project to whomever among you is interested in participating in it, and
see more concretely how it could be done in a participative way, but also
with a vision, and a unity, so that it actually has a reach.
I wrote this email today because I’d like everyone to know about it, and
open a discussion that I hope will mostly take place in real life when I’ll
be here in February rather than on this email list, although I would be
happy to already get some feedback, questions, advice or ideas that you
think are relevant at this stage…
I love this idea. As well as sudoers being involved, I think it'd be cool
to work on it with some other groups who'd be excited. For instance the
film-studies groups at Bay Area Public School (radicals in our same
building) and others. In that way, sudoers could learn film-making theory,
and film-makers could learn open-source theory. I'd love to dedicate some
time to the project.
--notconfusing
Thank you!
A bientôt :)
Noémie
* Chris Marker went to film the factory strikes in Besancon; and when he
showed his film to the workers, they said that he’s completely incompetent,
that it does not represent their point of view at all, that this director
from Paris is just like the bosses that exploit them. Chris Marker agreed
that the film was filmed from his point of view, and created with the
workers the Medevkin groups. He shared with them the material, the means
and the knowhow to create their own movies, and helped them to re-edit his
own footage. Some of the films of the Medvedkin groups are amazing.
--
Noémie Serfaty
108 rue du Faubourg du Temple
75011 Paris
Tel: 06 27 76 88 84
Tel: 01 71 50 51 82
noemieserfaty(a)gmail.com
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8:49 a.m.
I'm with Max and think its a wonderful idea Naomi. I'd be happy to
participate as a sudo room biohacker :)
On Jan 17, 2014 8:43 AM, "Max Klein" <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Noemie Serfaty <noemieserfaty(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hello sudo-ers
Let me introduce myself, although some of you know me already. My name is
Noémie, I'm French - among other things.
I discovered sudo-room last September. It was the first time I set foot
in a hackerspace, and it kind of blew my mind. At sudo room, I discovered
the concept of open source, a concept I didn't really know till then. That,
together with a lot of really great encounters and conversations, kind of
changed things for me, and made me realize that even in what I do in life
(films), I can do things completely differently. Up to now the film
industry has been very hierarchical, in many different ways, and it always
made me uncomfortable. Only recently did I understand that if I sense that
something’s not fair, I can actually do something about it. That was an
empowering realization.
This is so heart-warming to read.
So I've been playing with the idea of making an open source documentary
film at/about sudo room. Before I go any further, I would just like to say
that I saw you're trying to agree on a sort of chart about the conditions
under which you'd be willing to have people film at sudo room, and it all
seems very reasonable to me.
I'd like to expose you my idea, for you to tell me what you think, and
also, if anyone among you would like to participate. I’m hoping that (at
least some of) the ones who will be in the film will also participate in
the making of the film. The project would probably be scattered over a few
months, so that it doesn't feel heavy, but also so that there is time to
develop a genuine narrative, and to follow one or a few projects that could
constitute the backbone of a story.
The question I've been fiddling with is the following: how to make it
open source? And beyond just putting the footage under CC license and
leaving it available somewhere on the internet, how to make it an exciting
experiment, an opportunity to create new processes in film making that are
non hierarchical and more participative? To me the question is also a
pragmatic one: how can this participative process allow to create
compelling films with a vision, films that people actually want to watch,
beyond the open source community?
A thousand times yes. Reminds me of the quote.
“*When the structure of a work is one of its themes, another of its
themes is art*.” - Gertrude Stein
The idea is to develop a sort of github for editing movies in a
collaborative way, so that as the film is being shot and made, there is a
tool online that allows to do things together:
- rate, annotate, underline the footage or parts of it, organize it
- upload videos, music, etc.
- edit sequences.
- fork the project to create a different timeline and a different movie.
This tool would be free of access and available not only to the people
involved in the project but to anyone, and hopefully will generate a cool
community of users who want to be empowered film viewers *and* makers.
To me it's the continuation of genius director Chris Marker's work with the
Medvedkin Groups in the 60's. * (see below if you want to know more about
it!).
I've been talking about the possibility of building this tool with a
really great and talented hacker that some of you know, Robert M Ochshorn.
He's already made some great advancement on the future of video (two
works of his: http://interlace.videovortex9.net also check
http://montageinterdit.net) and he'd be excited to continue with this
project. I’m excited too actually! I think it could change the whole idea
of how to make films, and what it is to be a spectator, and what is a truly
participative movie... So I’m offering to do an experiment, and I think
sudo room would definitely be the best place to do it, not only because of
all places, it is the one where I would want to experiment in a fun way.
Also because I envision a really good, touching, fun and awakening movie...
hopefully more than one movie!! I hope that after the 1.0 movie is
released, it is only the beginning of an adventure consisting in hacking
the movie. Making a different version of it, maybe more than one.
I'll be in Oakland starting from February and I'm thinking of spending
some time at sudo - probably for other projects
as well. I'd like to take
this time to think of how to do it, what story (ies) to tell, talk about
the project to whomever among you is interested in participating in it, and
see more concretely how it could be done in a participative way, but also
with a vision, and a unity, so that it actually has a reach.
I wrote this email today because I’d like everyone to know about it, and
open a discussion that I hope will mostly take place in real life when I’ll
be here in February rather than on this email list, although I would be
happy to already get some feedback, questions, advice or ideas that you
think are relevant at this stage…
I love this idea. As well as sudoers being involved, I think it'd be cool
to work on it with some other groups who'd be excited. For instance the
film-studies groups at Bay Area Public School (radicals in our same
building) and others. In that way, sudoers could learn film-making theory,
and film-makers could learn open-source theory. I'd love to dedicate some
time to the project.
--notconfusing
Thank you!
A bientôt :)
Noémie
* Chris Marker went to film the factory strikes in Besancon; and when he
showed his film to the workers, they said that he’s completely incompetent,
that it does not represent their point of view at all, that this director
from Paris is just like the bosses that exploit them. Chris Marker agreed
that the film was filmed from his point of view, and created with the
workers the Medevkin groups. He shared with them the material, the means
and the knowhow to create their own movies, and helped them to re-edit his
own footage. Some of the films of the Medvedkin groups are amazing.
--
Noémie Serfaty
108 rue du Faubourg du Temple
75011 Paris
Tel: 06 27 76 88 84
Tel: 01 71 50 51 82
noemieserfaty(a)gmail.com
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11:17 a.m.
do any of the main video editing software packages have a human-readable format of how the
edits are made? I think it would be pretty cool to allow people to contribute source
footage from all over, then people can hack together the post production, forking as
desired. alot of fine tuning can go into how you cut and rubberband the audio and video
so crowdsourcing this really piques my interest...also does anyone know of open source
editing software? I used to use adobe premiere 5.1 and it was a nightmare.
Jan 17, 2014 08:49:52 AM, ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com wrote:
I'm with Max and think its a wonderful idea Naomi. I'd be happy to participate as
a sudo room biohacker :)
On Jan 17, 2014 8:43 AM, "Max Klein" isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Noemie Serfaty noemieserfaty(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello sudo-ers
Let me introduce myself, although some of you know me
already. My name is Noémie, I'm French - among other things.
I discovered sudo-room last September. It was the
first time I set foot in a hackerspace, and it kind of blew my mind. At sudo
room, I discovered the concept of open source, a concept I didn't really know
till then. That, together with a lot of really great encounters and
conversations, kind of changed things for me, and made me realize that even in
what I do in life (films), I can do things completely differently. Up to now
the film industry has been very hierarchical, in many different ways, and it
always made me uncomfortable. Only recently did I understand that if I sense
that something’s not fair, I can actually do something about it. That was an
empowering realization.
>This is so heart-warming to read.
So I've been playing with the idea of making
an open source documentary film
at/about sudo room. Before I go any further, I would just like to say that I
saw you're trying to agree on a sort of chart about the conditions under which
you'd be willing to have people film at sudo room, and it all seems very
reasonable to me.
I'd like to expose you my idea, for you to tell me
what you think, and also, if anyone among you would like to participate. I’m
hoping that (at least some of) the ones who will be in the film will also
participate in the making of the film. The project would probably be scattered
over a few months, so that it doesn't feel heavy, but also so that there is
time to develop a genuine narrative, and to follow one or a few projects that
could constitute the backbone of a story.
The question I've been fiddling with is the following:
how to make it open source? And beyond just putting the footage under CC
license and leaving it available somewhere on the internet, how to make it an
exciting experiment, an opportunity to create new processes in film making that
are non hierarchical and more participative? To me the question is also a
pragmatic one: how can this participative process allow to create compelling films
with a vision, films that people actually want to watch, beyond the open source
community?
>A thousand times yes. Reminds me of the quote.
>“When the structure of a work is one of its
themes, another of its themes is art.” - Gertrude Stein
The idea is to develop a sort of github for
editing movies in a collaborative
way, so that as the film is being shot and made, there is a tool online that
allows to do things together:
- rate, annotate, underline the footage or parts
of it, organize it
- upload videos, music, etc.
- edit sequences.
- fork the
project to create a different timeline and a different movie.
This tool would
be free of access and available not only to the people involved in the project
but to anyone, and hopefully will generate a cool community of users who want
to be empowered film viewers and makers. To me it's the continuation of
genius director Chris Marker's work with the Medvedkin Groups in the 60's. *
(see below if you want to know more about it!).
I've been talking about the possibility of
building this tool with a really great
and talented hacker that some of you know, Robert M Ochshorn. He's already made some
great advancement on
the future of video (two works of his: http://interlace.videovortex9.net also check
http://montageinterdit.net) and he'd be excited to continue
with this project. I’m excited too actually! I think it could change the whole
idea of how to make films, and what it is to be a spectator, and what is a
truly participative movie... So I’m offering to do an experiment, and I think
sudo room would definitely be the best place to do it, not only because of all
places, it is the one where I would want to experiment in a fun way. Also
because I envision a really good, touching, fun and awakening movie... hopefully more
than one movie!! I hope that after the 1.0 movie is released, it is only the beginning of
an adventure consisting in hacking the movie. Making a different version of it, maybe more
than one.
I'll be in Oakland starting from February and I'm
thinking of spending some time at sudo - probably for other projects as well.
I'd like to take this time to think of how to do it, what story (ies) to tell,
talk about the project to whomever among you is interested in participating in
it, and see more concretely how it could be done in a participative way, but
also with a vision, and a unity, so that it actually has a reach.
I wrote this email today because I’d like everyone to
know about it, and open a discussion that I hope will mostly take place in real
life when I’ll be here in February rather than on this email list, although I
would be happy to already get some feedback, questions, advice or ideas that
you think are relevant at this stage…
>I love this idea. As well as sudoers being involved, I think it'd be cool to work
on it with some other groups who'd be excited. For instance the film-studies groups at
Bay Area Public School (radicals in our same building) and others. In that way, sudoers
could learn film-making theory, and film-makers could learn open-source theory. I'd
love to dedicate some time to the project.
>--notconfusing
Thank you!
A bientôt :)
Noémie
* Chris Marker
went to film the factory strikes in Besancon; and when he showed his film to
the workers, they said that he’s completely incompetent, that it does not
represent their point of view at all, that this director from Paris is just
like the bosses that exploit them. Chris Marker agreed that the film was filmed
from his point of view, and created with the workers the Medevkin groups. He shared
with them the material, the means and the knowhow to create their own movies,
and helped them to re-edit his own footage. Some of the films of the Medvedkin
groups are amazing.
>--
>Noémie Serfaty
>108 rue du Faubourg du Temple
>75011 Paris
>Tel: 06 27 76 88 84
>Tel: 01 71 50 51 82
>noemieserfaty(a)gmail.com
>_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>_______________________________________________
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11:47 a.m.
Last I checked (over two years ago), Pitivi was probably best, and it stored stuff it an
undocumented-but-nice format.
Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
do any of the main video editing software packages have
a
human-readable format of how the edits are made? I think it would be
pretty cool to allow people to contribute source footage from all over,
then people can hack together the post production, forking as desired.
alot of fine tuning can go into how you cut and rubberband the audio
and video so crowdsourcing this really piques my interest...also does
anyone know of open source editing software? I used to use adobe
premiere 5.1 and it was a nightmare.
Jan 17, 2014 08:49:52 AM, ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com wrote:
I'm with Max and think its a wonderful idea Naomi. I'd be happy to
participate as a sudo room biohacker :)
On Jan 17, 2014 8:43 AM, "Max Klein" isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Noemie Serfaty
noemieserfaty(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello sudo-ers
Let me introduce myself, although some of you know me
already. My name is Noémie, I'm French - among other things.
I discovered sudo-room last September. It was the
first time I set foot in a hackerspace, and it kind of blew my mind. At
sudo
room, I discovered the concept of open source, a concept I didn't
really know
till then. That, together with a lot of really great encounters and
conversations, kind of changed things for me, and made me realize that
even in
what I do in life (films), I can do things completely differently. Up
to now
the film industry has been very hierarchical, in many different ways,
and it
always made me uncomfortable. Only recently did I understand that if I
sense
that something’s not fair, I can actually do something about it. That
was an
empowering realization.
>This is so heart-warming to read.
So I've been playing with the idea of
making an open source documentary
film
at/about sudo room. Before I go any further, I would just like to say
that I
saw you're trying to agree on a sort of chart about the conditions
under which
you'd be willing to have people film at sudo room, and it all seems
very
reasonable to me.
I'd like to expose you my idea, for you to tell me
what you think, and also, if anyone among you would like to
participate. I’m
hoping that (at least some of) the ones who will be in the film will
also
participate in the making of the film. The project would probably be
scattered
over a few months, so that it doesn't feel heavy, but also so that
there is
time to develop a genuine narrative, and to follow one or a few
projects that
could constitute the backbone of a story.
The question I've been fiddling with is the following:
how to make it open source? And beyond just putting the footage under
CC
license and leaving it available somewhere on the internet, how to make
it an
exciting experiment, an opportunity to create new processes in film
making that
are non hierarchical and more participative? To me the question is also
a
pragmatic one: how can this participative process allow to create
compelling films
with a vision, films that people actually want to watch, beyond the
open source
community?
>A thousand times yes. Reminds me of the quote.
>“When the structure of a work is one of
its themes, another of its
themes is art.” - Gertrude Stein
The idea is to develop a sort of github for
editing movies in a
collaborative
way, so that as the film is being shot and made, there is a tool online
that
allows to do things together:
- rate, annotate, underline the footage or
parts of it, organize it
- upload videos, music, etc.
- edit sequences.
- fork the
project to create a different timeline and a different movie.
This tool would
be free of access and available not only to the people involved in the
project
but to anyone, and hopefully will generate a cool community of users
who want
to be empowered film viewers and makers. To me it's the continuation of
genius director Chris Marker's work with the Medvedkin Groups in the
60's. *
(see below if you want to know more about it!).
I've been talking about the possibility
of building this tool with a
really great
and talented hacker that some of you know, Robert M Ochshorn. He's
already made some great advancement on
the future of video (two works of his:
http://interlace.videovortex9.net also check
http://montageinterdit.net) and he'd be excited to continue
with this project. I’m excited too actually! I think it could change
the whole
idea of how to make films, and what it is to be a spectator, and what
is a
truly participative movie... So I’m offering to do an experiment, and I
think
sudo room would definitely be the best place to do it, not only because
of all
places, it is the one where I would want to experiment in a fun way.
Also
because I envision a really good, touching, fun and awakening movie...
hopefully more than one movie!! I hope that after the 1.0 movie is
released, it is only the beginning of an adventure consisting in
hacking the movie. Making a different version of it, maybe more than
one.
I'll be in Oakland starting from February and I'm
thinking of spending some time at sudo - probably for other projects as
well.
I'd like to take this time to think of how to do it, what story (ies)
to tell,
talk about the project to whomever among you is interested in
participating in
it, and see more concretely how it could be done in a participative
way, but
also with a vision, and a unity, so that it actually has a reach.
I wrote this email today because I’d like everyone to
know about it, and open a discussion that I hope will mostly take place
in real
life when I’ll be here in February rather than on this email list,
although I
would be happy to already get some feedback, questions, advice or ideas
that
you think are relevant at this stage…
>--notconfusing
Thank you!
A bientôt :)
Noémie
* Chris Marker
went to film the factory strikes in Besancon; and when he showed his
film to
the workers, they said that he’s completely incompetent, that it does
not
represent their point of view at all, that this director from Paris is
just
like the bosses that exploit them. Chris Marker agreed that the film
was filmed
from his point of view, and created with the workers the Medevkin
groups. He shared
with them the material, the means and the knowhow to create their own
movies,
and helped them to re-edit his own footage. Some of the films of the
Medvedkin
groups are amazing.
>--
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>75011 Paris
>Tel: 06 27 76 88 84
>Tel: 01 71 50 51 82
>noemieserfaty(a)gmail.com
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I love this idea. As well as sudoers being
involved, I think it'd be
cool to work on it with some other groups who'd be
excited. For
instance the film-studies groups at Bay Area Public School (radicals in
our same building) and others. In that way, sudoers could learn
film-making theory, and film-makers could learn open-source theory. I'd
love to dedicate some time to the project.
18 Jan
18 Jan
4:10 a.m.
Great! I'm excited that you're excited :)
Indeed it's a good idea to involve other groups, such as the film-studies
groups at Bay Area Public School. I was thinking of film students indeed,
and local communities would be ideal, especially because I think the
"personnality" of Oakland should have a strong presence in the film.
Hol I agree it's really interesting to see how the post production could be
done collaboratively online. It is indeed all about how to hack the movie.
And it requires to create a tool that we can experiment with and that in
the long run could serve other open source movie productions.
Thank you for your warm reactions!
Noémie
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Thomas Levine <_(a)thomaslevine.com> wrote:
Last I checked (over two years ago), Pitivi was
probably best, and it
stored stuff it an undocumented-but-nice format.
Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
>
> do any of the main video editing software packages have a human-readable format of
how the edits are made? I think it would be pretty cool to allow people to contribute
source footage from all over, then people can hack together the post production, forking
as desired. alot of fine tuning can go into how you cut and rubberband the audio and
video so crowdsourcing this really piques my interest...also does anyone know of open
source editing software? I used to use adobe premiere 5.1 and it was a nightmare.
>
>
> Jan 17, 2014 08:49:52 AM, ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com wrote:
> I'm with Max and think its a wonderful idea Naomi. I'd be happy to
participate as a sudo room biohacker :)
>
> On Jan 17, 2014 8:43 AM, "Max Klein" isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Noemie
>> Serfaty noemieserfaty(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hello sudo-ers
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> Let me introduce myself, although some of you know me
> already. My name is Noémie, I'm French - among other things.
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> I discovered sudo-room last September. It was the
> first time I set foot in a hackerspace, and it kind of blew my mind. At sudo
> room, I discovered the concept of open source, a concept I didn't really know
> till then. That, together with a lot of really great encounters and
> conversations, kind of changed things for me, and made me realize that even in
> what I do in life (films), I can do things completely differently. Up to now
> the film industry has been very hierarchical, in many different ways, and it
> always made me uncomfortable. Only recently did I
> understand that if I sense
> that something’s not fair, I can actually do something about it. That was an
> empowering realization.
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> This is so heart-warming to read.
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> So I've been playing with the idea of making an open source documentary film
> at/about sudo room. Before I go any further, I would just like to say that I
> saw you're trying to agree on a sort of chart about the conditions under which
> you'd be willing to have people film at sudo room, and it all seems very
> reasonable to me.
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> I'd like to expose you my idea, for you to tell me
> what you think, and also, if anyone among you would like to participate. I’m
> hoping that (at least some of) the ones who will be in the film will also
> participate in the making of the film.
> The project would probably be scattered
> over a few months, so that it doesn't feel heavy, but also so that there is
> time to develop a genuine narrative, and to follow one or a few projects that
> could constitute the backbone of a story.
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> The question I've been fiddling with is the following:
> how to make it open source? And beyond just putting the footage under CC
> license and leaving it available somewhere on the internet, how to make it an
> exciting experiment, an opportunity to create new processes in film making that
> are non hierarchical and more participative? To me the question is also a
> pragmatic one: how can this participative process allow to create compelling films
> with a vision, films that people actually want to watch, beyond the open source
> community?
>
>
> A
>> thousand times yes. Reminds me of the quote.
>>
>> “When the structure of a work is one of its themes, another of its themes is
art.” - Gertrude Stein
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> The idea is to develop a sort of github for editing movies in a collaborative
> way, so that as the film is being shot and made, there is a tool online that
> allows to do things together:
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> - rate, annotate, underline the footage or parts of it, organize it
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> - upload videos, music, etc.
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> - edit sequences.
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> - fork the
> project to create a different timeline and a different movie.
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> This tool would
> be free of access and available not only to the people involved in the project
> but to anyone, and hopefully will generate a cool community of users who want
> to be empowered film viewers and makers. To me it's the continuation of
> genius director Chris Marker's work with the
> Medvedkin Groups in the 60's. *
> (see below if you want to know more about it!).
>
>
>
>
> I've been talking about the possibility of building this tool with a really great
> and talented hacker that some of you know, Robert M Ochshorn. He's already made
some great advancement on
> the future of video (two works of his: http://interlace.videovortex9.net also check
http://montageinterdit.net) and he'd be excited to continue
> with this project. I’m excited too actually! I think it could change the whole
> idea of how to make films, and what it is to be a spectator, and what is a
> truly participative movie... So I’m offering to do an experiment, and I think
> sudo room would definitely be the best place to do it, not only because of all
> places, it is the one where I would want to experiment in a fun way. Also
> because I envision a really
> good, touching, fun and awakening movie... hopefully more than one movie!! I hope
that after the 1.0 movie is released, it is only the beginning of an adventure consisting
in hacking the movie. Making a different version of it, maybe more than one.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'll be in Oakland starting from February and I'm
> thinking of spending some time at sudo - probably for other projects as well.
> I'd like to take this time to think of how to do it, what story (ies) to tell,
> talk about the project to whomever among you is interested in participating in
> it, and see more concretely how it could be done in a participative way, but
> also with a vision, and a unity, so that it actually has a reach.
>
>
>
>
>
> I wrote this email today because I’d like everyone to
> know about it, and open a discussion that I hope will mostly take place in real
> life when I’ll be here in February rather than on
> this email list, although I
> would be happy to already get some feedback, questions, advice or ideas that
> you think are relevant at this stage…
>
>
> I love this idea. As well as sudoers being involved, I think it'd be cool to work
on it with some other groups who'd be excited. For instance the film-studies groups at
Bay Area Public School (radicals in our same building) and others. In that way, sudoers
could learn film-making theory, and film-makers could learn open-source theory. I'd
love to dedicate some time to the project.
>>
>>
>>
>> --notconfusing
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> Thank you!
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> A bientôt :)
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> Noémie
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> * Chris Marker
> went to film the factory strikes in Besancon; and when he showed his film to
> the workers, they said that he’s completely incompetent, that it does not
> represent their point of view at all, that this director from Paris is just
> like the bosses that exploit them. Chris Marker agreed that the film was filmed
> from his point of view, and created with the workers the Medevkin groups. He shared
> with them the material, the means and the knowhow to create their own movies,
> and helped them to re-edit his own footage. Some of the films of the Medvedkin
> groups are amazing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
> --
>> Noémie Serfaty
>> 108 rue du Faubourg du Temple
>> 75011
>> Paris
>> Tel: 06 27 76 88 84
>> Tel: 01 71 50 51 82
>> noemieserfaty(a)gmail.com
>>
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Tel: 06 27 76 88 84
Tel: 01 71 50 51 82
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