4 Jun
2025
4 Jun
'25
11:06 p.m.
Jake, Lo, and I (Aaron) talked about the Apartheid-Free Communities pledge at
tonight's meeting! Here are some combined thoughts.
=== We should sign as soon as possible ===
Signing the pledge will counteract ongoing harm in a small but real way, so we should sign
it as soon as possible.
=== Our obligations ===
Here's an idea of what we think we're promising to do, as an organization, by
signing the pledge.
--- Items 1-3 ---
WE AFFIRM our commitment to freedom, justice, and
equality for the Palestinian people and all people
WE OPPOSE all forms of racism, bigotry,
discrimination, and oppression
WE DECLARE ourselves an Apartheid-free community
These are things we have or should have affirmed already, so (re)affirming them presumably
won't change anything about how we operate.
--- Item 4 ---
WE PLEDGE to join others in working to end all support
to Israel's
Apartheid regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation.
Here are some ways we can uphold this promise.
- Sign the pledge. As Lo pointed out in the quoted e-mails below, just putting our name on
the list of signatories already helps uphold our obligations: "It reflects public
support to our elected officials when we press them to divest from Israeli violence. It
reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community. It challenges the official
narratives and expands the public consciousness around Palestine."
- Confirm on our wiki that we've signed the pledge, and add the Apartheid-Free
Communities logo.
- Facilitate (and, if possible, promote) the use of our space by organizations
"working to end all support to Israel's Apartheid regime, settler colonialism,
and military occupation."
- Provide information resources (like flyers, zines, articles, book chapters, and a
listening / watching / reading list) in the space.
=== Background on the campaign ===
This Apartheid-Free Communities campaign is financed by the American Friends Service
Committee, a Quaker organization. You can find some steering committee members on the
campaign site's "About" page (https://apartheid-free.org/about/).
All the listed steering committee members are Christian or Unitarian organizations, which
for one of us (Aaron) is kind of a red flag.
On the other hand, the list of pledge signatories seems to include more diverse religious
organizations. In particular, it has a good number of Jewish organizations, including the
national and Bay Area chapters of Jewish Voice for Peace.
On Mon, 2 Jun 2025, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss
wrote:
Let's have a meeting this coming Wednesday,
in two days! Last week just
three or four of us got together and discussed things as can be seen in the
meeting notes:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meetings
Here's a proposed agenda:
* catch up on new membership applications
* continue talking about the process of sudoroom becoming its own 501(c)3
* the volunteer effort of updating our membership list
* fundraising including reaching out to members who may have forgotten to
pay dues
* sudoroom signing the "Apartheid-Free Communities" pledge! See below for
more info
Lets say this Wednesday, 7:30PM?
-jake
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Lo via sudo-discuss sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
Date: Tue, May 27, 2025 at 7:37 PM
Subject: [sudo-discuss] Proposal: SUDO room joins the Apartheid Free
Communities Campaign
To: sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
Dear Sudoroom members and leaders,
For the past 2.5 years I’ve been a Sudoroom “member” (I say this in
quotations because I’ve been paying dues and attending but have never been
endorsed as a full fledged member), but I’d like to make a proposal that
Sudoroom become an Apartheid Free Community!
I am writing as a member of SURJ Bay Area’s Palestine Solidarity Campaign.
As a racial justice organization, SURJ believes it is our moral obligation
to demand an end to Israel’s system of apartheid, its genocide in Gaza, and
its increasing violent seizure of land in the West Bank. All this is paid
for by our tax dollars, with the U.S. directly funding the Israeli
government to the tune of $35 billion a year.
We invite Sudoroom to join us to support the Palestinian people’s human
rights, lives, and lands by taking the pledge to become an Apartheid-Free
Community.
Apartheid is a crime against humanity. As defined by the United Nations
https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/cspca/cspca.html, apartheid includes:
• Acts such as murder, torture, inhuman treatment, and arbitrary arrest of
members of a racial group
• Deliberate imposition upon the subjugated racial group of living
conditions calculated to cause its physical destruction
• Legislative measures that discriminate in the political, social,
economic, and cultural fields
We could fill pages with examples of how Israel’s treatment of Palestinians
meets this criteria—from arrests and imprisonment without charges to the
destruction of Gaza by bombing homes, hospitals, and schools and cutting
off food, water, electricity and medical supplies. Palestinians are
subjected to entirely different laws and judicial systems, without freedom
of movement and economic opportunities.
Inspired by the anti-apartheid movement that helped topple the white
supremacist regime in South Africa, the Apartheid-Free Communities Campaign
is bringing communities together to end apartheid in Israel/Palestine. We
encourage Sudoroom to join the over 500 organizations across the globe,
including cities, schools, faith-based communities, labor unions,
businesses, and organizations, in taking the pledge to become an
Apartheid-Free Community.
Signing the Pledge makes a difference! It reflects public support to our
elected officials when we press them to divest from Israeli violence. It
reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community. It
challenges the official narratives and expands the public consciousness
around Palestine. We ask that you sign this pledge, and take actions, in
whatever way makes sense to Sudoroom, to be part of this effort.
Be sure to let me know if you have any questions and how I can support your
Sudoroom in signing the Pledge and joining this campaign.
In Solidarity,
Lo
P.S. We have materials including buttons, posters, and pamphlets you can
use to increase awareness and build support. Plus the Apartheid-Free
Communities website https://apartheid-free.org/about/ is full of great
resources and educational materials.
--
*Lo *
Pronouns: She/They https://www.mypronouns.org/
There is no neutral body from which our bodies deviate. Society has
written deep into each strand of tissue of every living person on earth.
What it writes into the heart muscles of five star generals is distinct
from what it writes in the pancreatic tissue and intestinal tracts of Black
single mothers in Detroit, of Mexicana migrants in Fresno, but no body
stands outside the consequences of injustice and inequality
*― *Aurora Levins Morales
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5 Jun
5 Jun
3:56 p.m.
if there are no objections can we go ahead and sign it?
On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 11:13 PM Aaron Fenyes via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
Jake, Lo, and I (Aaron) talked about the
Apartheid-Free Communities pledge
at tonight's meeting! Here are some combined thoughts.
=== We should sign as soon as possible ===
Signing the pledge will counteract ongoing harm in a small but real way,
so we should sign it as soon as possible.
=== Our obligations ===
Here's an idea of what we think we're promising to do, as an organization,
by signing the pledge.
--- Items 1-3 ---
https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/
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WE AFFIRM our commitment to freedom, justice, and
equality for the Palestinian people and all people
WE OPPOSE all forms of racism, bigotry,
discrimination, and oppression
WE DECLARE ourselves an Apartheid-free community
These are things we have or should have affirmed already, so (re)affirming
them presumably won't change anything about how we operate.
--- Item 4 ---
WE PLEDGE to join others in working to end all
support to Israel's
Apartheid regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation.
Here are some ways we can uphold this promise.
- Sign the pledge. As Lo pointed out in the quoted e-mails below, just
putting our name on the list of signatories already helps uphold our
obligations: "It reflects public support to our elected officials when we
press them to divest from Israeli violence. It reduces harm to Palestinian
and Arab members of our community. It challenges the official narratives
and expands the public consciousness around Palestine."
- Confirm on our wiki that we've signed the pledge, and add the
Apartheid-Free Communities logo.
- Facilitate (and, if possible, promote) the use of our space by
organizations "working to end all support to Israel's Apartheid regime,
settler colonialism, and military occupation."
- Provide information resources (like flyers, zines, articles, book
chapters, and a listening / watching / reading list) in the space.
=== Background on the campaign ===
This Apartheid-Free Communities campaign is financed by the American
Friends Service Committee, a Quaker organization. You can find some
steering committee members on the campaign site's "About" page (
https://apartheid-free.org/about/).
All the listed steering committee members are Christian or Unitarian
organizations, which for one of us (Aaron) is kind of a red flag.
On the other hand, the list of pledge signatories seems to include more
diverse religious organizations. In particular, it has a good number of
Jewish organizations, including the national and Bay Area chapters of
Jewish Voice for Peace.
On Mon, 2 Jun 2025, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss
wrote:
> Let's have a meeting this coming Wednesday, in two days! Last week just
> three or four of us got together and discussed things as can be seen
in the
> meeting notes:
> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meetings
>
> Here's a proposed agenda:
> * catch up on new membership applications
> * continue talking about the process of sudoroom becoming its own
501(c)3
> * the volunteer effort of updating our
membership list
> * fundraising including reaching out to members who may have forgotten
to
> pay dues
> * sudoroom signing the "Apartheid-Free Communities" pledge! See below
for
> more info
>
> Lets say this Wednesday, 7:30PM?
> -jake
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Lo via sudo-discuss sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
> Date: Tue, May 27, 2025 at 7:37 PM
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Proposal: SUDO room joins the Apartheid Free
> Communities Campaign
> To: sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
>
> Dear Sudoroom members and leaders,
>
> For the past 2.5 years I’ve been a Sudoroom “member” (I say this in
> quotations because I’ve been paying dues and attending but have never
been
> endorsed as a full fledged member), but I’d
like to make a proposal
that
> Sudoroom become an Apartheid Free Community!
>
> I am writing as a member of SURJ Bay Area’s Palestine Solidarity
Campaign.
> As a racial justice organization, SURJ
believes it is our moral
obligation
> to demand an end to Israel’s system of
apartheid, its genocide in
Gaza, and
> its increasing violent seizure of land in
the West Bank. All this is
paid
> for by our tax dollars, with the U.S.
directly funding the Israeli
> government to the tune of $35 billion a year.
>
> We invite Sudoroom to join us to support the Palestinian people’s human
> rights, lives, and lands by taking the pledge to become an
Apartheid-Free
> Community.
>
> Apartheid is a crime against humanity. As defined by the United Nations
> https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/cspca/cspca.html, apartheid includes:
>
> • Acts such as murder, torture, inhuman treatment, and arbitrary
arrest of
> members of a racial group
>
> • Deliberate imposition upon the subjugated racial group of living
> conditions calculated to cause its physical destruction
>
> • Legislative measures that discriminate in the political, social,
> economic, and cultural fields
>
> We could fill pages with examples of how Israel’s treatment of
Palestinians
> meets this criteria—from arrests and
imprisonment without charges to
the
> destruction of Gaza by bombing homes,
hospitals, and schools and
cutting
> off food, water, electricity and medical
supplies. Palestinians are
> subjected to entirely different laws and judicial systems, without
freedom
> of movement and economic opportunities.
>
> Inspired by the anti-apartheid movement that helped topple the white
> supremacist regime in South Africa, the Apartheid-Free Communities
Campaign
> is bringing communities together to end
apartheid in Israel/Palestine.
We
> encourage Sudoroom to join the over 500
organizations across the globe,
> including cities, schools, faith-based communities, labor unions,
> businesses, and organizations, in taking the pledge to become an
> Apartheid-Free Community.
>
> Signing the Pledge makes a difference! It reflects public support to
our
> elected officials when we press them to
divest from Israeli violence.
It
> reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members
of our community. It
> challenges the official narratives and expands the public consciousness
> around Palestine. We ask that you sign this pledge, and take actions,
in
> whatever way makes sense to Sudoroom, to be
part of this effort.
>
> Be sure to let me know if you have any questions and how I can support
your
> Sudoroom in signing the Pledge and joining
this campaign.
>
> In Solidarity,
>
> Lo
>
> P.S. We have materials including buttons, posters, and pamphlets you
can
> use to increase awareness and build support.
Plus the Apartheid-Free
> Communities website https://apartheid-free.org/about/ is full of great
> resources and educational materials.
>
> --
> *Lo *
> Pronouns: She/They https://www.mypronouns.org/
>
> There is no neutral body from which our bodies deviate. Society has
> written deep into each strand of tissue of every living person on
earth.
> What it writes into the heart muscles of
five star generals is distinct
> from what it writes in the pancreatic tissue and intestinal tracts of
Black
single
mothers in Detroit, of Mexicana migrants in Fresno, but no body
stands outside the consequences of injustice and inequality
*― *Aurora Levins Morales
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4:10 p.m.
As an anarchist pacifist, I am not in support of signing because I think
that both "sides" are in the wrong. The land issue is a religious issue
and both Islam and Judaism are problematic institutions.
On 2025-06-05 15:56, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote:
if there are no objections can we go ahead and sign
it?
On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 11:13 PM Aaron Fenyes via sudo-discuss
<sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/
Jake, Lo, and I (Aaron) talked about the
Apartheid-Free Communities
pledge at tonight's meeting! Here are some combined thoughts.
=== We should sign as soon as possible ===
Signing the pledge will counteract ongoing harm in a small but real
way, so we should sign it as soon as possible.
=== Our obligations ===
Here's an idea of what we think we're promising to do, as an
organization, by signing the pledge.
--- Items 1-3 ---
https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/
WE AFFIRM our commitment to freedom, justice, and
equality for the Palestinian people and all people
WE OPPOSE all forms of racism, bigotry,
discrimination, and oppression
WE DECLARE ourselves an Apartheid-free community
These are things we have or should have affirmed already, so
(re)affirming them presumably won't change anything about how we
operate.
--- Item 4 ---
WE PLEDGE to join others in working to end all
support to Israel's
Apartheid regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation.
Here are some ways we can uphold this promise.
- Sign the pledge. As Lo pointed out in the quoted e-mails below,
just putting our name on the list of signatories already helps
uphold our obligations: "It reflects public support to our elected
officials when we press them to divest from Israeli violence. It
reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community. It
challenges the official narratives and expands the public
consciousness around Palestine."
- Confirm on our wiki that we've signed the pledge, and add the
Apartheid-Free Communities logo.
- Facilitate (and, if possible, promote) the use of our space by
organizations "working to end all support to Israel's Apartheid
regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation."
- Provide information resources (like flyers, zines, articles, book
chapters, and a listening / watching / reading list) in the space.
=== Background on the campaign ===
This Apartheid-Free Communities campaign is financed by the American
Friends Service Committee, a Quaker organization. You can find some
steering committee members on the campaign site's "About" page
(https://apartheid-free.org/about/).
All the listed steering committee members are Christian or Unitarian
organizations, which for one of us (Aaron) is kind of a red flag.
On the other hand, the list of pledge signatories seems to include
more diverse religious organizations. In particular, it has a good
number of Jewish organizations, including the national and Bay Area
chapters of Jewish Voice for Peace.
On Mon, 2 Jun 2025, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss
wrote:
> Let's have a meeting this coming Wednesday, in two days! Last
week just
> three or four of us got together and
discussed things as can be
seen in the
> meeting notes:
> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meetings
>
> Here's a proposed agenda:
> * catch up on new membership applications
> * continue talking about the process of sudoroom becoming its
own 501(c)3
> * the volunteer effort of updating our
membership list
> * fundraising including reaching out to members who may have
forgotten to
> pay dues
> * sudoroom signing the "Apartheid-Free Communities" pledge! See
below for
> more info
>
> Lets say this Wednesday, 7:30PM?
> -jake
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Lo via sudo-discuss sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
> Date: Tue, May 27, 2025 at 7:37 PM
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Proposal: SUDO room joins the Apartheid
Free
> Communities Campaign
> To: sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
>
> Dear Sudoroom members and leaders,
>
> For the past 2.5 years I’ve been a Sudoroom “member” (I
say this in
> quotations because I’ve been paying dues and
attending but
have never been
> endorsed as a full fledged member), but I’d
like to make a
proposal that
> Sudoroom become an Apartheid Free Community!
>
> I am writing as a member of SURJ Bay Area’s Palestine
Solidarity Campaign.
> As a racial justice organization, SURJ
believes it is our moral
obligation
> to demand an end to Israel’s system of
apartheid, its genocide
in Gaza, and
> its increasing violent seizure of land in the
West Bank. All
this is paid
> for by our tax dollars, with the U.S.
directly funding the
Israeli
> government to the tune of $35 billion a year.
>
> We invite Sudoroom to join us to support the Palestinian
people’s human
> rights, lives, and lands by taking the pledge
to become an
Apartheid-Free
> Community.
>
> Apartheid is a crime against humanity. As defined by the United
Nations
> https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/cspca/cspca.html,
apartheid
includes:
>
> • Acts such as murder, torture, inhuman treatment, and
arbitrary arrest of
> members of a racial group
>
> • Deliberate imposition upon the subjugated racial group of
living
> conditions calculated to cause its physical
destruction
>
> • Legislative measures that discriminate in the political,
social,
> economic, and cultural fields
>
> We could fill pages with examples of how Israel’s treatment of
Palestinians
> meets this criteria—from arrests and
imprisonment without
charges to the
> destruction of Gaza by bombing homes,
hospitals, and schools and
cutting
> off food, water, electricity and medical
supplies. Palestinians
are
> subjected to entirely different laws and
judicial systems,
without freedom
> of movement and economic opportunities.
>
> Inspired by the anti-apartheid movement that helped topple the
white
> supremacist regime in South Africa, the
Apartheid-Free
Communities Campaign
> is bringing communities together to end
apartheid in
Israel/Palestine. We
> encourage Sudoroom to join the over 500
organizations across the
globe,
> including cities, schools, faith-based
communities, labor
unions,
> businesses, and organizations, in taking the
pledge to become an
> Apartheid-Free Community.
>
> Signing the Pledge makes a difference! It reflects public
support to our
> elected officials when we press them to
divest from Israeli
violence. It
> reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members
of our community.
It
> challenges the official narratives and
expands the public
consciousness
> around Palestine. We ask that you sign this
pledge, and take
actions, in
> whatever way makes sense to Sudoroom, to be
part of this effort.
>
> Be sure to let me know if you have any questions and how I can
support your
> Sudoroom in signing the Pledge and joining
this campaign.
>
> In Solidarity,
>
> Lo
>
> P.S. We have materials including buttons, posters, and pamphlets
you can
> use to increase awareness and build support.
Plus the
Apartheid-Free
> Communities website
https://apartheid-free.org/about/ is full of
great
> resources and educational materials.
>
> --
> *Lo *
> Pronouns: She/They https://www.mypronouns.org/
>
> There is no neutral body from which our bodies deviate. Society
has
> written deep into each strand of tissue of
every living person
on earth.
> What it writes into the heart muscles of five
star generals is
distinct
> from what it writes in the pancreatic tissue
and intestinal
tracts of Black
> single mothers in Detroit, of Mexicana
migrants in Fresno, but
no body
> stands outside the consequences of injustice
and inequality
>
> *― *Aurora Levins Morales
>
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7:36 p.m.
I support us doing the Apartheid-Free Communities pledge.
Aside: This thread brings up a good question of how do we decision-make?
I looked at the wiki to see if there was any old protocol. There's this
page that looks just like a brainstorming page:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_room/decisions
Also there's our bylaws, which have been newly made:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws. We can have our internal way of doing
things, but I would feel more comfortable if we had our bylaws match what
we do as closely as possible so that we can confidently make decisions. And
I think our bylaws as is are a good starting point: My understanding is our
bylaws allow for a vote on things via ballot by members. Quorum for the
vote is 7 people, and the decision is made by majority vote.
SECTION 12. ACTION BY WRITTEN BALLOT WITHOUT A MEETING
- (a) Any action which may be taken at any regular or special meeting of
members may be taken without a meeting if the corporation distributes a
written ballot to every member entitled to vote on the matter. The ballot
and any related material may be sent by electronic transmission and
responses may be returned to the corporation by electronic transmission.
The ballot shall set forth the proposed action, provide an opportunity to
specify approval or disapproval of any proposal, and provide a reasonable
time within which to return the ballot to the corporation.
- (b) Approval by written ballot pursuant to this section shall be valid
only when the number of votes cast by ballot within the time period
specified equals or exceeds the quorum required to be present at a meeting
authorizing the action, and the number of approvals equals or exceeds the
number of votes that would be required to approve at a meeting at which the
total number of votes cast was the same as the number of votes cast by
ballot.
- (c) Ballots shall indicate the number of responses needed to meet the
quorum requirement and, with respect to ballots other than for the election
of directors, shall state the percentage of approvals necessary to pass the
measure submitted. Ballots must specify the time by which the ballot must
be received in order to be counted.
- (d) A written ballot may not be revoked.
SECTION 5. QUORUM FOR MEETINGS
*A quorum of the Members shall consist of at least seven (7) Members of the
Corporation in good standing as of the date of the vote.* The members
present at a duly called and held meeting at which a quorum is initially
present may continue to do business notwithstanding the loss of a quorum at
the meeting due to a withdrawal of members from the meeting provided that
any action taken after the loss of a quorum must be approved by at least a
majority of the members required to constitute a quorum.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 4:10 PM imogen via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
As an anarchist pacifist, I am not in support of
signing because I think
that both "sides" are in the wrong. The land issue is a religious issue
and both Islam and Judaism are problematic institutions.
On 2025-06-05 15:56, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote:
if there are no objections can we go ahead and
sign it?
On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 11:13 PM Aaron Fenyes via sudo-discuss
<sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/
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Jake, Lo, and I (Aaron) talked about the
Apartheid-Free Communities
pledge at tonight's meeting! Here are some combined thoughts.
=== We should sign as soon as possible ===
Signing the pledge will counteract ongoing harm in a small but real
way, so we should sign it as soon as possible.
=== Our obligations ===
Here's an idea of what we think we're promising to do, as an
organization, by signing the pledge.
--- Items 1-3 ---
https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/
WE AFFIRM our commitment to freedom, justice, and
equality for the Palestinian people and all people
WE OPPOSE all forms of racism, bigotry,
discrimination, and oppression
WE DECLARE ourselves an Apartheid-free community
These are things we have or should have affirmed already, so
(re)affirming them presumably won't change anything about how we
operate.
--- Item 4 ---
WE PLEDGE to join others in working to end all
support to Israel's
Apartheid regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation.
Here are some ways we can uphold this promise.
- Sign the pledge. As Lo pointed out in the quoted e-mails below,
just putting our name on the list of signatories already helps
uphold our obligations: "It reflects public support to our elected
officials when we press them to divest from Israeli violence. It
reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community. It
challenges the official narratives and expands the public
consciousness around Palestine."
- Confirm on our wiki that we've signed the pledge, and add the
Apartheid-Free Communities logo.
- Facilitate (and, if possible, promote) the use of our space by
organizations "working to end all support to Israel's Apartheid
regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation."
- Provide information resources (like flyers, zines, articles, book
chapters, and a listening / watching / reading list) in the space.
=== Background on the campaign ===
This Apartheid-Free Communities campaign is financed by the American
Friends Service Committee, a Quaker organization. You can find some
steering committee members on the campaign site's "About" page
(https://apartheid-free.org/about/).
All the listed steering committee members are Christian or Unitarian
organizations, which for one of us (Aaron) is kind of a red flag.
On the other hand, the list of pledge signatories seems to include
more diverse religious organizations. In particular, it has a good
number of Jewish organizations, including the national and Bay Area
chapters of Jewish Voice for Peace.
On Mon, 2 Jun 2025, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss
wrote:
> Let's have a meeting this coming Wednesday, in two days! Last
week just
> three or four of us got together and
discussed things as can be
seen in the
> meeting notes:
> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meetings
>
> Here's a proposed agenda:
> * catch up on new membership applications
> * continue talking about the process of sudoroom becoming its
own 501(c)3
> * the volunteer effort of updating our
membership list
> * fundraising including reaching out to members who may have
forgotten to
> pay dues
> * sudoroom signing the "Apartheid-Free Communities" pledge! See
below for
> more info
>
> Lets say this Wednesday, 7:30PM?
> -jake
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Lo via sudo-discuss sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
> Date: Tue, May 27, 2025 at 7:37 PM
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Proposal: SUDO room joins the Apartheid
Free
> Communities Campaign
> To: sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
>
> Dear Sudoroom members and leaders,
>
> For the past 2.5 years I’ve been a Sudoroom “member” (I
say this in
> quotations because I’ve been paying dues and
attending but
have never been
> endorsed as a full fledged member), but I’d
like to make a
proposal that
> Sudoroom become an Apartheid Free Community!
>
> I am writing as a member of SURJ Bay Area’s Palestine
Solidarity Campaign.
> As a racial justice organization, SURJ
believes it is our moral
obligation
> to demand an end to Israel’s system of
apartheid, its genocide
in Gaza, and
> its increasing violent seizure of land in the
West Bank. All
this is paid
> for by our tax dollars, with the U.S.
directly funding the
Israeli
> government to the tune of $35 billion a year.
>
> We invite Sudoroom to join us to support the Palestinian
people’s human
> rights, lives, and lands by taking the pledge
to become an
Apartheid-Free
> Community.
>
> Apartheid is a crime against humanity. As defined by the United
Nations
> https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/cspca/cspca.html,
apartheid
includes:
>
> • Acts such as murder, torture, inhuman treatment, and
arbitrary arrest of
> members of a racial group
>
> • Deliberate imposition upon the subjugated racial group of
living
> conditions calculated to cause its physical
destruction
>
> • Legislative measures that discriminate in the political,
social,
> economic, and cultural fields
>
> We could fill pages with examples of how Israel’s treatment of
Palestinians
> meets this criteria—from arrests and
imprisonment without
charges to the
> destruction of Gaza by bombing homes,
hospitals, and schools and
cutting
> off food, water, electricity and medical
supplies. Palestinians
are
> subjected to entirely different laws and
judicial systems,
without freedom
> of movement and economic opportunities.
>
> Inspired by the anti-apartheid movement that helped topple the
white
> supremacist regime in South Africa, the
Apartheid-Free
Communities Campaign
> is bringing communities together to end
apartheid in
Israel/Palestine. We
> encourage Sudoroom to join the over 500
organizations across the
globe,
> including cities, schools, faith-based
communities, labor
unions,
> businesses, and organizations, in taking the
pledge to become an
> Apartheid-Free Community.
>
> Signing the Pledge makes a difference! It reflects public
support to our
> elected officials when we press them to
divest from Israeli
violence. It
> reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members
of our community.
It
> challenges the official narratives and
expands the public
consciousness
> around Palestine. We ask that you sign this
pledge, and take
actions, in
> whatever way makes sense to Sudoroom, to be
part of this effort.
>
> Be sure to let me know if you have any questions and how I can
support your
> Sudoroom in signing the Pledge and joining
this campaign.
>
> In Solidarity,
>
> Lo
>
> P.S. We have materials including buttons, posters, and pamphlets
you can
> use to increase awareness and build support.
Plus the
Apartheid-Free
> Communities website
https://apartheid-free.org/about/ is full of
great
> resources and educational materials.
>
> --
> *Lo *
> Pronouns: She/They https://www.mypronouns.org/
>
> There is no neutral body from which our bodies deviate. Society
has
> written deep into each strand of tissue of
every living person
on earth.
> What it writes into the heart muscles of five
star generals is
distinct
> from what it writes in the pancreatic tissue
and intestinal
tracts of Black
> single mothers in Detroit, of Mexicana
migrants in Fresno, but
no body
> stands outside the consequences of injustice
and inequality
>
> *― *Aurora Levins Morales
>
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9:29 p.m.
presently Israel is starving 2.2 million people to death inside a
concentration camp, and they set up a fake "food distribution site" and
shoot to kill anyone who approaches it.
I was really hoping this "anti apartheid" proposal would be able to go
through more easily and I'm extremely disappointed in what's happening here.
-jake
On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 7:37 PM Paige P via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
I support us doing the Apartheid-Free Communities
pledge.
Aside: This thread brings up a good question of how do we decision-make?
I looked at the wiki to see if there was any old protocol. There's this
page that looks just like a brainstorming page:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_room/decisions
Also there's our bylaws, which have been newly made:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws. We can have our internal way of doing
things, but I would feel more comfortable if we had our bylaws match what
we do as closely as possible so that we can confidently make decisions. And
I think our bylaws as is are a good starting point: My understanding is our
bylaws allow for a vote on things via ballot by members. Quorum for the
vote is 7 people, and the decision is made by majority vote.
SECTION 12. ACTION BY WRITTEN BALLOT WITHOUT A MEETING
- (a) Any action which may be taken at any regular or special meeting
of members may be taken without a meeting if the corporation distributes a
written ballot to every member entitled to vote on the matter. The ballot
and any related material may be sent by electronic transmission and
responses may be returned to the corporation by electronic transmission.
The ballot shall set forth the proposed action, provide an opportunity to
specify approval or disapproval of any proposal, and provide a reasonable
time within which to return the ballot to the corporation.
- (b) Approval by written ballot pursuant to this section shall be
valid only when the number of votes cast by ballot within the time period
specified equals or exceeds the quorum required to be present at a meeting
authorizing the action, and the number of approvals equals or exceeds the
number of votes that would be required to approve at a meeting at which the
total number of votes cast was the same as the number of votes cast by
ballot.
- (c) Ballots shall indicate the number of responses needed to meet
the quorum requirement and, with respect to ballots other than for the
election of directors, shall state the percentage of approvals necessary to
pass the measure submitted. Ballots must specify the time by which the
ballot must be received in order to be counted.
- (d) A written ballot may not be revoked.
SECTION 5. QUORUM FOR MEETINGS
*A quorum of the Members shall consist of at least seven (7) Members of
the Corporation in good standing as of the date of the vote.* The members
present at a duly called and held meeting at which a quorum is initially
present may continue to do business notwithstanding the loss of a quorum at
the meeting due to a withdrawal of members from the meeting provided that
any action taken after the loss of a quorum must be approved by at least a
majority of the members required to constitute a quorum.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 4:10 PM imogen via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
As an anarchist pacifist, I am not in support of
signing because I think
that both "sides" are in the wrong. The land issue is a religious issue
and both Islam and Judaism are problematic institutions.
On 2025-06-05 15:56, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote:
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if there are no objections can we go ahead and
sign it?
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<sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
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Jake, Lo, and I (Aaron) talked about the
Apartheid-Free Communities
pledge at tonight's meeting! Here are some combined thoughts.
=== We should sign as soon as possible ===
Signing the pledge will counteract ongoing harm in a small but real
way, so we should sign it as soon as possible.
=== Our obligations ===
Here's an idea of what we think we're promising to do, as an
organization, by signing the pledge.
--- Items 1-3 ---
> WE AFFIRM our commitment to freedom, justice, and
> equality for the Palestinian people and all people
>
> WE OPPOSE all forms of racism, bigotry,
> discrimination, and oppression
>
> WE DECLARE ourselves an Apartheid-free community
These are things we have or should have affirmed already, so
(re)affirming them presumably won't change anything about how we
operate.
--- Item 4 ---
> WE PLEDGE to join others in working to end all support to Israel's
> Apartheid regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation.
Here are some ways we can uphold this promise.
- Sign the pledge. As Lo pointed out in the quoted e-mails below,
just putting our name on the list of signatories already helps
uphold our obligations: "It reflects public support to our elected
officials when we press them to divest from Israeli violence. It
reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community. It
challenges the official narratives and expands the public
consciousness around Palestine."
- Confirm on our wiki that we've signed the pledge, and add the
Apartheid-Free Communities logo.
- Facilitate (and, if possible, promote) the use of our space by
organizations "working to end all support to Israel's Apartheid
regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation."
- Provide information resources (like flyers, zines, articles, book
chapters, and a listening / watching / reading list) in the space.
=== Background on the campaign ===
This Apartheid-Free Communities campaign is financed by the American
Friends Service Committee, a Quaker organization. You can find some
steering committee members on the campaign site's "About" page
(https://apartheid-free.org/about/).
All the listed steering committee members are Christian or Unitarian
organizations, which for one of us (Aaron) is kind of a red flag.
On the other hand, the list of pledge signatories seems to include
more diverse religious organizations. In particular, it has a good
number of Jewish organizations, including the national and Bay Area
chapters of Jewish Voice for Peace.
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2025, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote:
>
>> Let's have a meeting this coming Wednesday, in two days! Last
week just
>> three or four of us got together and discussed things as can be
seen in the
>> meeting notes:
>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meetings
>>
>> Here's a proposed agenda:
>> * catch up on new membership applications
>> * continue talking about the process of sudoroom becoming its
own 501(c)3
>> * the volunteer effort of updating our membership list
>> * fundraising including reaching out to members who may have
forgotten to
>> pay dues
>> * sudoroom signing the "Apartheid-Free Communities" pledge! See
below for
>> more info
>>
>> Lets say this Wednesday, 7:30PM?
>> -jake
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Lo via sudo-discuss sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
>> Date: Tue, May 27, 2025 at 7:37 PM
>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Proposal: SUDO room joins the Apartheid
Free
>> Communities Campaign
>> To: sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
>>
>> Dear Sudoroom members and leaders,
>>
>> For the past 2.5 years I’ve been a Sudoroom “member” (I
say this in
>> quotations because I’ve been paying dues and attending but
have never been
>> endorsed as a full fledged member), but I’d like to make a
proposal that
>> Sudoroom become an Apartheid Free Community!
>>
>> I am writing as a member of SURJ Bay Area’s Palestine
Solidarity Campaign.
>> As a racial justice organization, SURJ believes it is our moral
obligation
>> to demand an end to Israel’s system of apartheid, its genocide
in Gaza, and
>> its increasing violent seizure of land in the West Bank. All
this is paid
>> for by our tax dollars, with the U.S. directly funding the
Israeli
>> government to the tune of $35 billion a year.
>>
>> We invite Sudoroom to join us to support the Palestinian
people’s human
>> rights, lives, and lands by taking the pledge to become an
Apartheid-Free
>> Community.
>>
>> Apartheid is a crime against humanity. As defined by the United
Nations
>> https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/cspca/cspca.html, apartheid
includes:
>>
>> • Acts such as murder, torture, inhuman treatment, and
arbitrary arrest of
>> members of a racial group
>>
>> • Deliberate imposition upon the subjugated racial group of
living
>> conditions calculated to cause its physical destruction
>>
>> • Legislative measures that discriminate in the political,
social,
>> economic, and cultural fields
>>
>> We could fill pages with examples of how Israel’s treatment of
Palestinians
>> meets this criteria—from arrests and imprisonment without
charges to the
>> destruction of Gaza by bombing homes, hospitals, and schools and
cutting
>> off food, water, electricity and medical supplies. Palestinians
are
>> subjected to entirely different laws and judicial systems,
without freedom
>> of movement and economic opportunities.
>>
>> Inspired by the anti-apartheid movement that helped topple the
white
>> supremacist regime in South Africa, the Apartheid-Free
Communities Campaign
>> is bringing communities together to end apartheid in
Israel/Palestine. We
>> encourage Sudoroom to join the over 500 organizations across the
globe,
>> including cities, schools, faith-based communities, labor
unions,
>> businesses, and organizations, in taking the pledge to become an
>> Apartheid-Free Community.
>>
>> Signing the Pledge makes a difference! It reflects public
support to our
>> elected officials when we press them to divest from Israeli
violence. It
>> reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community.
It
>> challenges the official narratives and expands the public
consciousness
>> around Palestine. We ask that you sign this pledge, and take
actions, in
>> whatever way makes sense to Sudoroom, to be part of this effort.
>>
>> Be sure to let me know if you have any questions and how I can
support your
>> Sudoroom in signing the Pledge and joining this campaign.
>>
>> In Solidarity,
>>
>> Lo
>>
>> P.S. We have materials including buttons, posters, and pamphlets
you can
>> use to increase awareness and build support. Plus the
Apartheid-Free
>> Communities website https://apartheid-free.org/about/ is full of
great
>> resources and educational materials.
>>
>> --
>> *Lo *
>> Pronouns: She/They https://www.mypronouns.org/
>>
>> There is no neutral body from which our bodies deviate. Society
has
>> written deep into each strand of tissue of every living person
on earth.
>> What it writes into the heart muscles of five star generals is
distinct
>> from what it writes in the pancreatic tissue and intestinal
tracts of Black
>> single mothers in Detroit, of Mexicana migrants in Fresno, but
no body
>> stands outside the consequences of injustice and inequality
>>
>> *― *Aurora Levins Morales
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org
>> More options at
>>
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>>
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9:51 p.m.
disappointed at the lack of uncritical support of arab nationalism and
islamic extremism?
trying to pretend religion has nothing to do with this conflict is like
trying to pretend the civil war wasn't about slavery.
neoconfederates who make this claim have to squint and wave away statements
like Alexander H Stephens' Cornerstone Speech: "*slavery subordination to
the superior race is his natural and normal condition" *or the
Mississippi Declaration of Secession:
*"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery--
the greatest material interest of the world."*
I couldn't understand how people could do this until I saw them deny and
wave away religious extremism and antisemitism, whether from the
Secretary-General of the Arab League:
“I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will
be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of
like the Tartar massacre or the Crusader wars. This war will be
distinguished by three serious matters. First—faith: as each fighter deems
his death on behalf of Palestine as the shortest road to paradise;"
It is plainly stated in the genocidal charter of Hamas, and in their naming
of the Oct 7 massacre after Al-Aqsa Mosque:
'Peace initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and
international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the
Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means
to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam...
There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad.'
Or even from the PNA government of today, which published an official
government statement referring readers to the infamous Hadith that the day
of judgement will not come until you kill the Jews.
Yet people continue to squint and pretend that it's not about religious
conflict. I recently watched the documentary "No Other Land", and, knowing
a bit of Arabic, noticed that whenever the subtitles said "Israeli", the
people were saying the word "Yahud" - Jew. Same when a protest passed by my
house recently - the leaders were chanting in Arabic for the followers to
repeat: "from water to water, Palestine is Arab"
At no point above have I made any apologia for any Israeli actions - only
pointed out the Palestine movement is not aligned with treating Jews as
human beings - very openly not so in Arabic. And in Arabic, they make no
distinction between "Jew" and "Israeli", and say "Arab", not
"free".
But nevertheless I must request a source for your claim that Israel created
a fake feeding site and shot people who went there.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 9:30 PM Jake Watters via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
presently Israel is starving 2.2 million people to
death inside a
concentration camp, and they set up a fake "food distribution site" and
shoot to kill anyone who approaches it.
I was really hoping this "anti apartheid" proposal would be able to go
through more easily and I'm extremely disappointed in what's happening here.
-jake
On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 7:37 PM Paige P via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
I support us doing the Apartheid-Free Communities
pledge.
Aside: This thread brings up a good question of how do we decision-make?
I looked at the wiki to see if there was any old protocol. There's this
page that looks just like a brainstorming page:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_room/decisions
Also there's our bylaws, which have been newly made:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws. We can have our internal way of doing
things, but I would feel more comfortable if we had our bylaws match what
we do as closely as possible so that we can confidently make decisions. And
I think our bylaws as is are a good starting point: My understanding is our
bylaws allow for a vote on things via ballot by members. Quorum for the
vote is 7 people, and the decision is made by majority vote.
SECTION 12. ACTION BY WRITTEN BALLOT WITHOUT A MEETING
- (a) Any action which may be taken at any regular or special meeting
of members may be taken without a meeting if the corporation distributes a
written ballot to every member entitled to vote on the matter. The ballot
and any related material may be sent by electronic transmission and
responses may be returned to the corporation by electronic transmission.
The ballot shall set forth the proposed action, provide an opportunity to
specify approval or disapproval of any proposal, and provide a reasonable
time within which to return the ballot to the corporation.
- (b) Approval by written ballot pursuant to this section shall be
valid only when the number of votes cast by ballot within the time period
specified equals or exceeds the quorum required to be present at a meeting
authorizing the action, and the number of approvals equals or exceeds the
number of votes that would be required to approve at a meeting at which the
total number of votes cast was the same as the number of votes cast by
ballot.
- (c) Ballots shall indicate the number of responses needed to meet
the quorum requirement and, with respect to ballots other than for the
election of directors, shall state the percentage of approvals necessary to
pass the measure submitted. Ballots must specify the time by which the
ballot must be received in order to be counted.
- (d) A written ballot may not be revoked.
SECTION 5. QUORUM FOR MEETINGS
*A quorum of the Members shall consist of at least seven (7) Members of
the Corporation in good standing as of the date of the vote.* The
members present at a duly called and held meeting at which a quorum is
initially present may continue to do business notwithstanding the loss of a
quorum at the meeting due to a withdrawal of members from the meeting
provided that any action taken after the loss of a quorum must be approved
by at least a majority of the members required to constitute a quorum.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 4:10 PM imogen via sudo-discuss <
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As an anarchist pacifist, I am not in support of
signing because I think
that both "sides" are in the wrong. The land issue is a religious issue
and both Islam and Judaism are problematic institutions.
On 2025-06-05 15:56, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote:
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if there are no objections can we go ahead and
sign it?
On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 11:13 PM Aaron Fenyes via sudo-discuss
<sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> Jake, Lo, and I (Aaron) talked about the Apartheid-Free Communities
> pledge at tonight's meeting! Here are some combined thoughts.
>
> === We should sign as soon as possible ===
>
> Signing the pledge will counteract ongoing harm in a small but real
> way, so we should sign it as soon as possible.
>
> === Our obligations ===
>
> Here's an idea of what we think we're promising to do, as an
> organization, by signing the pledge.
>
> --- Items 1-3 ---
>
>> WE AFFIRM our commitment to freedom, justice, and
>> equality for the Palestinian people and all people
>>
>> WE OPPOSE all forms of racism, bigotry,
>> discrimination, and oppression
>>
>> WE DECLARE ourselves an Apartheid-free community
>
> These are things we have or should have affirmed already, so
> (re)affirming them presumably won't change anything about how we
> operate.
>
> --- Item 4 ---
>
>> WE PLEDGE to join others in working to end all support to Israel's
>> Apartheid regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation.
>
> Here are some ways we can uphold this promise.
>
> - Sign the pledge. As Lo pointed out in the quoted e-mails below,
> just putting our name on the list of signatories already helps
> uphold our obligations: "It reflects public support to our elected
> officials when we press them to divest from Israeli violence. It
> reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community. It
> challenges the official narratives and expands the public
> consciousness around Palestine."
>
> - Confirm on our wiki that we've signed the pledge, and add the
> Apartheid-Free Communities logo.
>
> - Facilitate (and, if possible, promote) the use of our space by
> organizations "working to end all support to Israel's Apartheid
> regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation."
>
> - Provide information resources (like flyers, zines, articles, book
> chapters, and a listening / watching / reading list) in the space.
>
> === Background on the campaign ===
>
> This Apartheid-Free Communities campaign is financed by the American
> Friends Service Committee, a Quaker organization. You can find some
> steering committee members on the campaign site's "About" page
> (https://apartheid-free.org/about/).
>
> All the listed steering committee members are Christian or Unitarian
> organizations, which for one of us (Aaron) is kind of a red flag.
>
> On the other hand, the list of pledge signatories seems to include
> more diverse religious organizations. In particular, it has a good
> number of Jewish organizations, including the national and Bay Area
> chapters of Jewish Voice for Peace.
>
>> On Mon, 2 Jun 2025, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote:
>>
>>> Let's have a meeting this coming Wednesday, in two days! Last
> week just
>>> three or four of us got together and discussed things as can be
> seen in the
>>> meeting notes:
>>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meetings
>>>
>>> Here's a proposed agenda:
>>> * catch up on new membership applications
>>> * continue talking about the process of sudoroom becoming its
> own 501(c)3
>>> * the volunteer effort of updating our membership list
>>> * fundraising including reaching out to members who may have
> forgotten to
>>> pay dues
>>> * sudoroom signing the "Apartheid-Free Communities" pledge! See
> below for
>>> more info
>>>
>>> Lets say this Wednesday, 7:30PM?
>>> -jake
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Lo via sudo-discuss sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
>>> Date: Tue, May 27, 2025 at 7:37 PM
>>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Proposal: SUDO room joins the Apartheid
> Free
>>> Communities Campaign
>>> To: sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
>>>
>>> Dear Sudoroom members and leaders,
>>>
>>> For the past 2.5 years I’ve been a Sudoroom “member” (I
> say this in
>>> quotations because I’ve been paying dues and attending but
> have never been
>>> endorsed as a full fledged member), but I’d like to make a
> proposal that
>>> Sudoroom become an Apartheid Free Community!
>>>
>>> I am writing as a member of SURJ Bay Area’s Palestine
> Solidarity Campaign.
>>> As a racial justice organization, SURJ believes it is our moral
> obligation
>>> to demand an end to Israel’s system of apartheid, its genocide
> in Gaza, and
>>> its increasing violent seizure of land in the West Bank. All
> this is paid
>>> for by our tax dollars, with the U.S. directly funding the
> Israeli
>>> government to the tune of $35 billion a year.
>>>
>>> We invite Sudoroom to join us to support the Palestinian
> people’s human
>>> rights, lives, and lands by taking the pledge to become an
> Apartheid-Free
>>> Community.
>>>
>>> Apartheid is a crime against humanity. As defined by the United
> Nations
>>> https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/cspca/cspca.html, apartheid
> includes:
>>>
>>> • Acts such as murder, torture, inhuman treatment, and
> arbitrary arrest of
>>> members of a racial group
>>>
>>> • Deliberate imposition upon the subjugated racial group of
> living
>>> conditions calculated to cause its physical destruction
>>>
>>> • Legislative measures that discriminate in the political,
> social,
>>> economic, and cultural fields
>>>
>>> We could fill pages with examples of how Israel’s treatment of
> Palestinians
>>> meets this criteria—from arrests and imprisonment without
> charges to the
>>> destruction of Gaza by bombing homes, hospitals, and schools and
> cutting
>>> off food, water, electricity and medical supplies. Palestinians
> are
>>> subjected to entirely different laws and judicial systems,
> without freedom
>>> of movement and economic opportunities.
>>>
>>> Inspired by the anti-apartheid movement that helped topple the
> white
>>> supremacist regime in South Africa, the Apartheid-Free
> Communities Campaign
>>> is bringing communities together to end apartheid in
> Israel/Palestine. We
>>> encourage Sudoroom to join the over 500 organizations across the
> globe,
>>> including cities, schools, faith-based communities, labor
> unions,
>>> businesses, and organizations, in taking the pledge to become an
>>> Apartheid-Free Community.
>>>
>>> Signing the Pledge makes a difference! It reflects public
> support to our
>>> elected officials when we press them to divest from Israeli
> violence. It
>>> reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community.
> It
>>> challenges the official narratives and expands the public
> consciousness
>>> around Palestine. We ask that you sign this pledge, and take
> actions, in
>>> whatever way makes sense to Sudoroom, to be part of this effort.
>>>
>>> Be sure to let me know if you have any questions and how I can
> support your
>>> Sudoroom in signing the Pledge and joining this campaign.
>>>
>>> In Solidarity,
>>>
>>> Lo
>>>
>>> P.S. We have materials including buttons, posters, and pamphlets
> you can
>>> use to increase awareness and build support. Plus the
> Apartheid-Free
>>> Communities website https://apartheid-free.org/about/ is full of
> great
>>> resources and educational materials.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Lo *
>>> Pronouns: She/They https://www.mypronouns.org/
>>>
>>> There is no neutral body from which our bodies deviate. Society
> has
>>> written deep into each strand of tissue of every living person
> on earth.
>>> What it writes into the heart muscles of five star generals is
> distinct
>>> from what it writes in the pancreatic tissue and intestinal
> tracts of Black
>>> single mothers in Detroit, of Mexicana migrants in Fresno, but
> no body
>>> stands outside the consequences of injustice and inequality
>>>
>>> *― *Aurora Levins Morales
>>>
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6 Jun
6 Jun
12:59 p.m.
I removed the non-member posting pro-genocide propaganda from our
mailinglist. I have conversations about this topic every day and could
easily respond to everything they said, but I don't think this is the right
place for it, I still choose to believe that the vast majority of people on
this list, and who are part of our community, are united AGAINST APARTHEID
and AGAINST GENOCIDE. If people want to discuss the propaganda post, my
email inbox is open and we can have 1:1 or group emails but I believe this
list is not the place for it.
Anyone who wants to learn about what's happening right now can get on the
internet and look at "both sides" and see for themselves who's doing all
the killing and who's doing all of the dying, and who has dropped more
bombs than all of WW2 (as of a YEAR ago
<https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/amount-of-israeli-bombs-dropped-on-gaza-surpasses-that-of-world-war-ii/3239665>
).
The fact that the people of Gaza are presently facing siege and famine on
top of being openly hunted by Israeli troops (and ISIS fighters funded by
Israel
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_with_the_Islamic_State#Israel>)
makes it all the more important that we focus on doing everything we can to
end this one-sided slaughter, and at the very LEAST sign the Anti-Apartheid
Pledge as a community.
Let's talk about this again at this upcoming Wednesday meeting. It's sad
that we couldn't have agreed on this when it was originally proposed ten
days ago
-jake
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