Or stealing my only cell phone charger *out of my backpack*. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:49 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote: _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss

And I've thought this one through for a while, I'm not just thinking it's a good idea. It would narrow down suspects effectively, without losing our ability to share with the public, if done well On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn &lt;rawjnana(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- <3 Rachel _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

I just want to mention that there was very, very, very strong objection from Sudo Room when La Commune wanted to lock up our space and, as a result, our space has remained open at all hours. Is this suggestion a reversal of that position?  N On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:40 PM, johanna faust &lt;female.faust(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: i agree.  was hoping this wouldn't happen.   sigh On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn &lt;rawjnana(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: And I've thought this one through for a while, I'm not just thinking it's a good idea. It would narrow down suspects effectively, without losing our ability to share with the public, if done well On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn &lt;rawjnana(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I agree. Locks on Sudo/CCL, all three doors, so that members can actually close up the equipment whether commons is open or closed! On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Or stealing my only cell phone charger out of my backpack. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:49 PM, Jake &lt;jake(a)spaz.org&gt; wrote: the other day i noticed a bunch of copper wires I had near the robot were gone.  I thought it was strange that they were all taken. today Rob mentioned that someone has taken all the copper windings off of his project.  He also says that a week ago, his phone was stolen from where it was with his shirt, and his shirt was found outside. We all should have seen this coming but I really don't want this to keep happening.  I think we might need to start thinking about locks on the sudoroom/CCL space, on all three doors connecting the room. when members close down the space they will be able to lock the doors and then we don't have to worry as much about people tearing apart our hard work so they can cash in copper to get a few bucks... -jake _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss -- <3 Rachel -- <3 Rachel _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- Be seeing you. _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Wholeheartedly concur. Access to sudo/ccl does not affect access to the rest of the building. And sudo/ccl will still remain open so long as a member is present, which is most of the time. And the last members to leave will continue to sweep the building and handle closing up, which we've gotten pretty good at :) On Mar 26, 2015 3:15 PM, "Jake" &lt;jake(a)spaz.org&gt; wrote: > No, i continue to think that La Commune should remain open, and that > sudoroom/CCL should be able to lock up. > > -jake > > On Thu, 26 Mar 2015, niki wrote: > > I just want to mention that there was very, very, very strong objection >> from Sudo Room when La Commune wanted to lock up our space and, as a >> result, our space has remained open at all hours. >> Is this suggestion a reversal of that position? >> >> N >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:40 PM, johanna faust &lt;female.faust(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> i agree. was hoping this wouldn't happen. >> >> sigh >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn &lt;rawjnana(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> And I've thought this one through for a while, I'm not just >> thinking it's a good idea. It would narrow down suspects effectively, >> without losing our ability to share with the public, if done well >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn &lt;rawjnana(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> I agree. Locks on Sudo/CCL, all three doors, so that members can >> actually close up the equipment whether commons is open or closed! >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> Or stealing my only cell phone charger out of my backpack. >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:49 PM, Jake &lt;jake(a)spaz.org&gt; wrote: >> the other day i noticed a bunch of copper wires I had near the >> robot were gone. I thought it was strange that they were all taken. >> >> today Rob mentioned that someone has taken all the copper windings >> off of his project. He also says that a week ago, his phone was stolen >> from where it was with his shirt, and his shirt was found outside. >> >> We all should have seen this coming but I really don't want this >> to keep happening. I think we might need to start thinking about locks on >> the sudoroom/CCL space, on all three doors connecting the room. >> >> when members close down the space they will be able to lock the >> doors and then we don't have to worry as much about people tearing apart >> our hard work so they can cash in copper to get a few bucks... >> >> -jake >> _______________________________________________ >> discuss mailing list >> discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org >> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> discuss mailing list >> discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org >> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> >> -- >> <3 Rachel >> >> >> >> >> -- >> <3 Rachel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Be seeing you. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >

unless la commune maintains primary access to their space by passing through sudo room I'd say the 2 positions are consistent On 2015-03-26 14:52, niki wrote: I just want to mention that there was very, very, very strong objection from Sudo Room when La Commune wanted to lock up our space and, as a result, our space has remained open at all hours. Is this suggestion a reversal of that position? N On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:40 PM, johanna faust &lt;female.faust(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing listsudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.orghttps://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

I think that's a totally reasonable proposal. On Mar 26, 2015 4:02 PM, "niki" &lt;niki.shelley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

that's a great idea! one problem: there is a chance the thief is reading this.  i suggest the solution be scrapped, and best discussed at the next meeting, which i really want to be at, so if someone wants to give me a ride from downtown oakland in the event i am less than adequately mobile, i would gladly and quickly take them up on it. once again, thanks @Autonomous for the suggestion, and especially for the clear and comprehensive description & instructions thereof. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Autonomous &lt;autonomous666(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Since the thief steals copper I suggest setting up a nicely presented coil of copper wires discretely connected to an Arduino board on digital pin 2 and ground, with pinMode() set to INPUT_PULLUP. When the copper has been removed it will open the switch triggering an interrupt function that will log the event as well as possibly activate other devices such as a loud alarm. Then what would you do after the thief is caught red-handed? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Cere Mona Davis &lt;ceremona(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I think that's a totally reasonable proposal. On Mar 26, 2015 4:02 PM, "niki" &lt;niki.shelley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Why can't the 48th St. doors be the primary access to Sudo / CCL when the bookstore is closed? Sudo / CCL & other member collective members still having full access to the building, of course, but not the general public as is currently the case. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:31 PM, &lt;hol(a)gaskill.com&gt; wrote: unless la commune maintains primary access to their space by passing through sudo room I'd say the 2 positions are consistent On 2015-03-26 14:52, niki wrote: I just want to mention that there was very, very, very strong objection from Sudo Room when La Commune wanted to lock up our space and, as a result, our space has remained open at all hours.   Is this suggestion a reversal of that position?    N     On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:40 PM, johanna faust &lt;female.faust(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: i agree.  was hoping this wouldn't happen.     sigh On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn &lt;rawjnana(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: And I've thought this one through for a while, I'm not just thinking it's a good idea. It would narrow down suspects effectively, without losing our ability to share with the public, if done well   On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn &lt;rawjnana(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I agree. Locks on Sudo/CCL, all three doors, so that members can actually close up the equipment whether commons is open or closed! On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Or stealing my only cell phone charger out of my backpack. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:49 PM, Jake &lt;jake(a)spaz.org&gt; wrote: the other day i noticed a bunch of copper wires I had near the robot were gone.  I thought it was strange that they were all taken. today Rob mentioned that someone has taken all the copper windings off of his project.  He also says that a week ago, his phone was stolen from where it was with his shirt, and his shirt was found outside. We all should have seen this coming but I really don't want this to keep happening.  I think we might need to start thinking about locks on the sudoroom/CCL space, on all three doors connecting the room. when members close down the space they will be able to lock the doors and then we don't have to worry as much about people tearing apart our hard work so they can cash in copper to get a few bucks... -jake _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss   -- <3 Rachel   -- <3 Rachel _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss   -- Be seeing you. _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- Be seeing you.

i suggest the solution be scrapped like so many sweet sweet copper windings???? On 2015-03-26 19:53, johanna faust wrote: that's a great idea! one problem: there is a chance the thief is reading > this. i suggest the solution be scrapped, and best discussed at the next > meeting, which i really want to be at, so if someone wants to give me a > ride from downtown oakland in the event i am less than adequately mobile, i > would gladly and quickly take them up on it. > once again, thanks @Autonomous for the suggestion, and especially for the > clear and comprehensive description & instructions thereof. > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Autonomous &lt;autonomous666(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Since the thief steals copper I suggest setting up a nicely presented > coil of copper wires discretely connected to an Arduino board on digital > pin 2 and ground, with pinMode() set to INPUT_PULLUP. When the copper has > been removed it will open the switch triggering an interrupt function that > will log the event as well as possibly activate other devices such as a > loud alarm. > Then what would you do after the thief is caught red-handed? > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Cere Mona Davis &lt;ceremona(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I think that's a totally reasonable proposal. > On Mar 26, 2015 4:02 PM, "niki" &lt;niki.shelley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Why can't the 48th St. doors be the primary access to Sudo / CCL when the > bookstore is closed? > Sudo / CCL & other member collective members still having full access to > the building, of course, but not the general public as is currently the > case. > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:31 PM, &lt;hol(a)gaskill.com&gt; wrote: > unless la commune maintains primary access to their space by passing > through sudo room I'd say the 2 positions are consistent > On 2015-03-26 14:52, niki wrote: > I just want to mention that there was very, very, very strong objection > from Sudo Room when La Commune wanted to lock up our space and, as a > result, our space has remained open at all hours. > Is this suggestion a reversal of that position? > N > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:40 PM, johanna faust &lt;female.faust(a)gmail.com> wrote: > i agree. was hoping this wouldn't happen. > sigh > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn &lt;rawjnana(a)gmail.com> wrote: > And I've thought this one through for a while, I'm not just thinking it's > a good idea. It would narrow down suspects effectively, without losing our > ability to share with the public, if done well > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn &lt;rawjnana(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I agree. Locks on Sudo/CCL, all three doors, so that members can actually > close up the equipment whether commons is open or closed! > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Or stealing my only cell phone charger _out of my backpack_. > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:49 PM, Jake &lt;jake(a)spaz.org&gt; wrote: > the other day i noticed a bunch of copper wires I had near the robot were > gone. I thought it was strange that they were all taken. > today Rob mentioned that someone has taken all the copper windings off of > his project. He also says that a week ago, his phone was stolen from where > it was with his shirt, and his shirt was found outside. > We all should have seen this coming but I really don't want this to keep > happening. I think we might need to start thinking about locks on the > sudoroom/CCL space, on all three doors connecting the room. > when members close down the space they will be able to lock the doors and > then we don't have to worry as much about people tearing apart our hard > work so they can cash in copper to get a few bucks... > -jake > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org > https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss [1] > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org > https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss [1]

Why can't the 48th St. doors be the primary access to Sudo / CCL when the bookstore is closed? Sudo / CCL & other member collective members still having full access to the building, of course, but not the general public as is currently the case. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:31 PM, &lt;hol(a)gaskill.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:31 PM, &lt;hol(a)gaskill.com&gt; wrote: I'm not sure I believe closing sudo/ccl off is going to change anything. I foresee that people will come in at some point during the day, open the doors to sudo room for the public and they will remain open until the building is closed up in the evening. If we were to require people to use access cards every time they move between sudo and the rest of omni then this would _really_ change the feel of openness that the Omni currently has. It would mean that not being a member of any given space is a much bigger issue, since you will then need to wait for someone to open the door for you even if you're just going to the kitchen and back. I'm sure people will propose something to the effect of "open doors between 10 am and 6 pm" but that again renders the whole system ineffective since it is likely that the thefts are happening in that time window. Then we can consider giving out "guest passes" to people that only work for internal access between sudo and kitchen/ballroom/basement within certain hours. If we are closing parts of the Omni off to anyone (btw already the TIL office is closed off so this is not completely novel) then there are few remaining reasons I can think of to not allow La Commune to close itself. One is for access to sudo room/CCL from the outside, which we can provide through the back door anyway. The other is for other collectives to access the upstairs area after hours (most importantly the kitchen). This would involve some non-trivial amount of construction and probably permits, though the area around the staircase to the upstairs closest to sudo is infested with mold anyway so tearing it down to some degree might have to happen anyway. I do see this as a major shift in how we think about and use the Omni and we should consider alternatives before we go this route. I think a closed and encrypted video surveillance system that can only be accessed through consent is a possible viable alternative that may be more effective than locked doors, and definitely would be easier to implement in the short term. -- marc/juul _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss