30 Jul
2016
30 Jul
'16
3:58 p.m.
Last tuesday at sudoroom I used the Phaser 8560 printer to print circuit
patterns onto pyralux material (kapton coated with copper) and then etched
them in ferric chloride.
http://imgur.com/gallery/TbzsP
the result was that I was able to make circuits very quickly and easily,
even though it was the first time i did it this way.
if other people want to etch circuits at sudoroom, I can help. email me
if you want to coordinate.
The circuit i made was single-sided but you can do multiple layer
circuitboards pretty easily, obviously, by putting these back-to-back.
if you wanted to be even more advanced, you could use the laser cutter to
burn holes in the pyralux (assuming that works) and solder through those
holes from layer to layer.
also did i mention this material is flexible like paper? we can make
wearables, cylindrical circuits, watches...
-jake
31 Jul
31 Jul
2:41 a.m.
New subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] etching circuitboards the easy way, at sudoroom
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
Last tuesday at sudoroom I used the Phaser 8560
printer to print circuit
patterns onto pyralux material (kapton coated with copper) and then etched
them in ferric chloride.
http://imgur.com/gallery/TbzsP
From the gallery at the beginning:
"you won't go to hell for using paid
software"
I basically stopped reading right there. I think you're conflating
paid (commercial) with non-free (proprietary). They're completely
different, and it's important to understand the difference. Here's the
canonical source on this:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
Cheers,
James
@purpleidea
1 Aug
1 Aug
11:09 a.m.
New subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] etching circuitboards the easy way, at sudoroom
led belt plz
ty
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 2:41 AM, James <purpleidea(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Jake
<jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
Last tuesday at sudoroom I used the Phaser 8560
printer to print circuit
patterns onto pyralux material (kapton coated with copper) and then
etched
them in ferric chloride.
http://imgur.com/gallery/TbzsP
From the gallery at the beginning:
"you won't go to hell for using paid
software"
I basically stopped reading right there. I think you're conflating
paid (commercial) with non-free (proprietary). They're completely
different, and it's important to understand the difference. Here's the
canonical source on this:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
Cheers,
James
@purpleidea
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New subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] etching circuitboards the easy way, at sudoroom
robb, a belt normally has a purpose of holding pants up, which means it
has to have a strong physical material to do its job. I would recommend
starting with an ordinary belt and attaching addressible LED tape onto the
surface of the belt, and then putting a controller at the belt buckle.
also, the pyralux comes in 24" long sheets and that's not long enough to
make a belt for most people... maybe for a dog?
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016, robb wrote:
led belt plz
ty
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 2:41 AM, James <purpleidea(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Jake
<jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
Last tuesday at sudoroom I used the Phaser 8560
printer to print circuit
patterns onto pyralux material (kapton coated with copper) and then
etched
them in ferric chloride.
http://imgur.com/gallery/TbzsP
From the gallery at the beginning:
"you won't go to hell for using paid
software"
I basically stopped reading right there. I think you're conflating
paid (commercial) with non-free (proprietary). They're completely
different, and it's important to understand the difference. Here's the
canonical source on this:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
Cheers,
James
@purpleidea
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31 Jul
31 Jul
12:26 p.m.
New subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] etching circuitboards the easy way, at sudoroom
On 30 July 2016 at 15:58, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
Last tuesday at sudoroom I used the Phaser 8560
printer to print circuit
patterns onto pyralux material (kapton coated with copper) and then etched
them in ferric chloride.
http://imgur.com/gallery/TbzsP
the result was that I was able to make circuits very quickly and easily,
even though it was the first time i did it this way.
Wow, these turned out beautifully, Jake! Good work. It essentially
worked as expected.
This is still on my TODO list, so this just skipped a couple of levels
and is higher up on the list now :)
Good to know about the need to give the wax another bake.
-h
if other people want to etch circuits at sudoroom, I can help. email me if
you want to coordinate.
The circuit i made was single-sided but you can do multiple layer
circuitboards pretty easily, obviously, by putting these back-to-back.
if you wanted to be even more advanced, you could use the laser cutter to
burn holes in the pyralux (assuming that works) and solder through those
holes from layer to layer.
also did i mention this material is flexible like paper? we can make
wearables, cylindrical circuits, watches...
-jake
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it works really well, especially if you bake the wax just right, and avoid
gaps that are too small (i had trouble with 0.013" gaps but 0.015" were
OK)
keep in mind that since pyralux is as flexible as paper, you can make
large complex circuits that fit inside containers of any shape by folding
the circuit after soldering things, or even rolling it up like a carpet.
the obvious things to do include making watches or wristbands or
wrist-cuff wearables. You can assemble such a thing and then coat it with
silicone to waterproof it and give it some extra structure.
-jake
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Henner Zeller wrote:
On 30 July 2016 at 15:58, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org>
wrote:
Last tuesday at sudoroom I used the Phaser 8560
printer to print circuit
patterns onto pyralux material (kapton coated with copper) and then etched
them in ferric chloride.
http://imgur.com/gallery/TbzsP
the result was that I was able to make circuits very quickly and easily,
even though it was the first time i did it this way.
Wow, these turned out beautifully, Jake! Good work. It essentially
worked as expected.
This is still on my TODO list, so this just skipped a couple of levels
and is higher up on the list now :)
Good to know about the need to give the wax another bake.
-h
if other people want to etch circuits at sudoroom, I can help. email me if
you want to coordinate.
The circuit i made was single-sided but you can do multiple layer
circuitboards pretty easily, obviously, by putting these back-to-back.
if you wanted to be even more advanced, you could use the laser cutter to
burn holes in the pyralux (assuming that works) and solder through those
holes from layer to layer.
also did i mention this material is flexible like paper? we can make
wearables, cylindrical circuits, watches...
-jake
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1:50 p.m.
Nice! You could also try running the Pyralux through the printer multiple
times to build up a sturdier wax layer. Assuming you can line up the paper
accurately enough, of course.
Patrik
On Jul 30, 2016 3:58 PM, "Jake" <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
Last tuesday at sudoroom I used the Phaser 8560
printer to print circuit
patterns onto pyralux material (kapton coated with copper) and then etched
them in ferric chloride.
http://imgur.com/gallery/TbzsP
the result was that I was able to make circuits very quickly and easily,
even though it was the first time i did it this way.
if other people want to etch circuits at sudoroom, I can help. email me
if you want to coordinate.
The circuit i made was single-sided but you can do multiple layer
circuitboards pretty easily, obviously, by putting these back-to-back.
if you wanted to be even more advanced, you could use the laser cutter to
burn holes in the pyralux (assuming that works) and solder through those
holes from layer to layer.
also did i mention this material is flexible like paper? we can make
wearables, cylindrical circuits, watches...
-jake
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the printer is nowhere near accurate enough to reprint exactly the same
twice, as you can see in the third image the wax did not line up with the
previous printing of the same thing:
http://i.imgur.com/TatC012.jpg
it turns out the problem was not that the wax wasn't sturdy, but that it
did not adhere to the copper until it went through the oven for a minute.
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
Nice! You could also try running the Pyralux through
the printer multiple
times to build up a sturdier wax layer. Assuming you can line up the paper
accurately enough, of course.
Patrik
On Jul 30, 2016 3:58 PM, "Jake" <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
Last tuesday at sudoroom I used the Phaser 8560
printer to print circuit
patterns onto pyralux material (kapton coated with copper) and then etched
them in ferric chloride.
http://imgur.com/gallery/TbzsP
the result was that I was able to make circuits very quickly and easily,
even though it was the first time i did it this way.
if other people want to etch circuits at sudoroom, I can help. email me
if you want to coordinate.
The circuit i made was single-sided but you can do multiple layer
circuitboards pretty easily, obviously, by putting these back-to-back.
if you wanted to be even more advanced, you could use the laser cutter to
burn holes in the pyralux (assuming that works) and solder through those
holes from layer to layer.
also did i mention this material is flexible like paper? we can make
wearables, cylindrical circuits, watches...
-jake
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11:11 a.m.
I wonder if surface prep with some ultra fine grid sandpaper or emery
cloth would allow the wax to adhere better
On 2016-07-31 14:03, Jake wrote:
the printer is nowhere near accurate enough to reprint
exactly the
same twice, as you can see in the third image the wax did not line up
with the previous printing of the same thing:
http://i.imgur.com/TatC012.jpg
it turns out the problem was not that the wax wasn't sturdy, but that
it did not adhere to the copper until it went through the oven for a
minute.
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
Nice! You could also try running the Pyralux
through the printer
multiple
times to build up a sturdier wax layer. Assuming you can line up the
paper
accurately enough, of course.
Patrik
On Jul 30, 2016 3:58 PM, "Jake" <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
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printer to print
circuit
patterns onto pyralux material (kapton coated with copper) and then
etched
them in ferric chloride.
http://imgur.com/gallery/TbzsP
the result was that I was able to make circuits very quickly and
easily,
even though it was the first time i did it this way.
if other people want to etch circuits at sudoroom, I can help. email
me
if you want to coordinate.
The circuit i made was single-sided but you can do multiple layer
circuitboards pretty easily, obviously, by putting these
back-to-back.
if you wanted to be even more advanced, you could use the laser
cutter to
burn holes in the pyralux (assuming that works) and solder through
those
holes from layer to layer.
also did i mention this material is flexible like paper? we can make
wearables, cylindrical circuits, watches...
-jake
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You can also get Pyralux with different copper treatments - Rolled-annealed
(RA) or Electro-deposited (ED). One of the two might have better wax
adhesion.
Patrik
On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 11:11 AM, <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
I wonder if surface prep with some ultra fine grid
sandpaper or emery
cloth would allow the wax to adhere better
On 2016-07-31 14:03, Jake wrote:
the printer is nowhere near accurate enough to
reprint exactly the
same twice, as you can see in the third image the wax did not line up
with the previous printing of the same thing:
http://i.imgur.com/TatC012.jpg
it turns out the problem was not that the wax wasn't sturdy, but that
it did not adhere to the copper until it went through the oven for a
minute.
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
Nice! You could also try running the Pyralux through the printer multiple
times to build up a sturdier wax layer. Assuming
you can line up the
paper
accurately enough, of course.
Patrik
On Jul 30, 2016 3:58 PM, "Jake" <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
Last tuesday at sudoroom I used the Phaser 8560 printer to print circuit
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patterns onto pyralux material (kapton coated
with copper) and then
etched
them in ferric chloride.
http://imgur.com/gallery/TbzsP
the result was that I was able to make circuits very quickly and easily,
even though it was the first time i did it this way.
if other people want to etch circuits at sudoroom, I can help. email me
if you want to coordinate.
The circuit i made was single-sided but you can do multiple layer
circuitboards pretty easily, obviously, by putting these back-to-back.
if you wanted to be even more advanced, you could use the laser cutter
to
burn holes in the pyralux (assuming that works) and solder through those
holes from layer to layer.
also did i mention this material is flexible like paper? we can make
wearables, cylindrical circuits, watches...
-jake
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