Thanks, Ibrahim. This story is moving like a speeding bullet. Also seems like Cody Wilson, UT, Austin law student is almost literally begging to be the subject of a US v. Wilson lawsuit. Some questions for my 3-D Sudo friends: Once they make the CAD files available, how many steps would it take for someone to print their own gun? Would there be (semi-)uniquely identifying traces of which printer was used? Can ammunition be 3-D printed by the same printer? Would you be able to do this on one of those printers you'll be able to buy at Staples this summer? Hold on to your hats, folks ... sent from eddan.com On May 6, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Ibrahim Moss <ibrahim.moss(a)gmail.com> wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/3d-printed-gun-fired_n_3222669.htm… > Ibrahim Moss > ibrahim.moss(a)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

does this mean that my chances of being shot in this country is now going up, especially hangin out in hackerspaces? 2013/5/6, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>om>: wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/3d-printed-gun-fired_n_3222669.htm…

No, before 3D printing it was always possible to make a gun in a machine shop. I guess hackerspaces are now as dangerous as machine shops:) Eddan, isn't there a provision in the 1968 Gun Control Act allowing one to make a firearm for personal use? Michael Patrick Schmidt wrote: does this mean that my chances of being shot in this country is now going up, especially hangin out in hackerspaces? 2013/5/6, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>om>: Since I haven't seen the plans I'm only speculating, but #1 lots of steps and tools other than just a 3d-printer. In the video you can see atleast 10 -15 parts #2 probably no traces of which 3d printer was used #3 No. and I would be willing to bet you can only get 1 -2 shoots off before you have to make a new one #4 Maybe with enough time and the right plasic, but you probably need someone way more expensive. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: Thanks, Ibrahim. This story is moving like a speeding bullet. Also seems like Cody Wilson, UT, Austin law student is almost literally begging to be the subject of a US v. Wilson lawsuit. Some questions for my 3-D Sudo friends: Once they make the CAD files available, how many steps would it take for someone to print their own gun? Would there be (semi-)uniquely identifying traces of which printer was used? Can ammunition be 3-D printed by the same printer? Would you be able to do this on one of those printers you'll be able to buy at Staples this summer? Hold on to your hats, folks ... sent from eddan.com On May 6, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Ibrahim Moss <ibrahim.moss(a)gmail.com> <ibrahim.moss(a)gmail.com> wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/3d-printed-gun-fired_n_3222669.htm… Ibrahim Mossibrahim.moss(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing listsudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.orghttp://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing listsudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.orghttp://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507http://roshambomedia.com _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing listsudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.orghttp://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

they use a very high end printer for this, also looks like the firing chamber is expendable? All designs I've seen use regular ammo, no way to print it due to low weight and inertness of extrusion material. you're basically better off with a nail, rubber band, drill, file, some 3/8" steel plumbing and some .380 cartridges. these guys are just doing it to make a point i think, rather than imposing a true game changer. in reality guns can be more easily made out of metal with less expensive tools and much higher reliability, and so far it is legal to do so for personal use. high capacity magazines would be a better application for disruptive manufacturing via 3D printing. Also it looks like they use a regular injection molded AR-15 grip in the video, which normally attaches with a metal screw. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, and I certainly wouldn't try shooting one of these plastic guns offhand! cheers, hol May 6, 2013 02:35:04 PM, psbschmidt(a)googlemail.com wrote: does this mean that my chances of being shot in this country is now you for be wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/3d-printed-gun-fired_n_3222669.htm… _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Though Caleb has a point about hyperbolic reactions, I think he may be mistaking the lack of a big deal it is to him with impact on the rest of the world. In terms of confidence about the fact that this won't impact legislation, Rep. Steve Israel already taken the opportunity to garner greater support for his Undetectable Firearms Modernization Act at the announcement Defense Distributed made on Friday (see http://israel.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&i…) sent from eddan.com On May 6, 2013, at 4:39 PM, "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Caleb on HackaDay.com has a good article on the topic: > > The first 3d printed gun has been fired, and I don’t care. > > Patrik > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote: >> they use a very high end printer for this, also looks like the firing chamber is expendable? All designs I've seen use regular ammo, no way to print it due to low weight and inertness of extrusion material. you're basically better off with a nail, rubber band, drill, file, some 3/8" steel plumbing and some .380 cartridges. these guys are just doing it to make a point i think, rather than imposing a true game changer. in reality guns can be more easily made out of metal with less expensive tools and much higher reliability, and so far it is legal to do so for personal use. high capacity magazines would be a better application for disruptive manufacturing via 3D printing. Also it looks like they use a regular injection molded AR-15 grip in the video, which normally attaches with a metal screw. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, and I certainly wouldn't try shooting one of these plastic guns offhand! >> >> cheers, >> hol >> >> >> May 6, 2013 02:35:04 PM, psbschmidt(a)googlemail.com wrote: >> does this mean that my chances of being shot in this country is now >> >going up, especially hangin out in hackerspaces? >> > >> >2013/5/6, Andrew andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>gt;: >> >> Since I haven't seen the plans I'm only speculating, but >> >> >> >> #1 lots of steps and tools other than just a 3d-printer. In the video you >> >> can see atleast 10 -15 parts >> >> #2 probably no traces of which 3d printer was used >> >> #3 No. and I would be willing to bet you can only get 1 -2 shoots off >> >> before you have to make a new one >> >> #4 Maybe with enough time and the right plasic, but you probably need >> >> someone way more expensive. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Eddan Katz eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Thanks, Ibrahim. This story is moving like a speeding bullet. >> >>> >> >>> Also seems like Cody Wilson, UT, Austin law student is almost literally >> >>> begging to be the subject of a US v. Wilson lawsuit. >> >>> >> >>> Some questions for my 3-D Sudo friends: >> >>> Once they make the CAD files available, how many steps would it take for >> >>> someone to print their own gun? Would there be (semi-)uniquely >> >>> identifying >> >>> traces of which printer was used? Can ammunition be 3-D printed by the >> >>> same >> >>> printer? Would you be able to do this on one of those printers you'll be >> >>> able to buy at Staples this summer? >> >>> >> >>> Hold on to your hats, folks ... >> >>> >> >>> sent from eddan.com >> >>> >> >>> On May 6, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Ibrahim Moss ibrahim.moss(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/3d-printed-gun-fired_n_3222669.htm… >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Ibrahim Moss >> >>> > ibrahim.moss(a)gmail.com >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > sudo-discuss mailing list >> >>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> >>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ------- >> >> Andrew Lowe >> >> Cell: 831-332-2507 >> >> http://roshambomedia.com >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >sudo-discuss mailing list >> >sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> >http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss