9 Jun
2014
9 Jun
'14
6:23 p.m.
FYI,
Timon was given verbal and written notice on the night of Thursday May
22, that he is not welcome at Sudoroom. At the following meeting,
Wednesday May 28, 13/13 members present consensed on this statement:
"Regardless of Timon's current membership status, we find him in 'bad
standing' with regard to sudo room's values, specifically with regard
to 'safe space'. We ban Timon from the sudo room, for an indefinite
period."
This was not a conflict resolution process, it was a ban in the
interest of safe space.That same meeting also consented generally that
2141 tenants don't have an inherent right to our common space and need
specific permission to access it.
BAPS has a policy of honoring all Sudoroom bans.
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014-05-28#Bans
In a perfect world we would offer endless compassion, restoration and
reparation towards all beings. In this world, we don't have the time
or resources to provide the care everybody needs. We sincerely hope
they can find it elsewhere.
9 Jun
9 Jun
8:14 p.m.
New subject: Fear / food / friendship
FYI Yar is incorrect. She witnessed the verbal notice herself, which I was
given by Matt, who had been avoiding me, after David(?) from TPS came over
to broach conversation, and mention to me that I'd been banned.
I said Oh, really, walked back the few yards to where Matt and others were
talking (we were all outside for smoke breaks). I asked for written
confirmations for the ban, from both sudo and TPS, and was promised both
there and then, so I said OK, and that I would make it my last night in the
common area (where I had some conversations already going on, and had been
relaxing and creating all night). I said that I really needed the written
statements, and explained why, and got committments to provide them. I got
Matt's (sent from his cell right there?) almost immediately, and then no
further confirmation. Nonetheless, I refrained from using the common area.
I have never been told what I do that makes people feel unsafe, never been
given a chance to meet anyone to discuss how my behavior might be improved,
and never, evidently considered worthy of the most minimal and polite
explanation (because there is not enough time).
Alas, unfortunately, no.
Anybody who wants the real story, or to give me the real story, feel free,
if you do it in a way that involves compassion.
Otherwise, those who are not in my list of 11-of-13 people who decided not
to knock on my door or call the phone number posted on it (where I
generally am, stuck there trying to do business despite Goerge, in a
closed-office located 1 minute or less from the sudo meeting itself) --
Anybody who is not such an impolite and crue couldn't-spare-the-timer...
not one of those who decided it was to much of a waste of time to explain,
have me there (even telephonically) or with
non-violent-process-facilitators at a future date chosen at sudo's leisure
... is welcome in the child-friendly space I will be creating myself,
assuming they agree to and sign something that will help us prevent this
very thing from happening over there, too.
Close to two dozen people on a total of three occasions have seen me ask
for a mediated discussion with Matt or Juul. Nuff said. I tried, often, in
front of witnesses. And if there a list of times I avoided people trying to
make an appointment with me, then please show me the email or message
attempts.
Oh well.
See ya.
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:23 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
FYI,
Timon was given verbal and written notice on the night of Thursday May
22, that he is not welcome at Sudoroom. At the following meeting,
Wednesday May 28, 13/13 members present consensed on this statement:
"Regardless of Timon's current membership status, we find him in 'bad
standing' with regard to sudo room's values, specifically with regard
to 'safe space'. We ban Timon from the sudo room, for an indefinite
period."
This was not a conflict resolution process, it was a ban in the
interest of safe space.That same meeting also consented generally that
2141 tenants don't have an inherent right to our common space and need
specific permission to access it.
BAPS has a policy of honoring all Sudoroom bans.
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014-05-28#Bans
In a perfect world we would offer endless compassion, restoration and
reparation towards all beings. In this world, we don't have the time
or resources to provide the care everybody needs. We sincerely hope
they can find it elsewhere.
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10:04 p.m.
New subject: Fear / food / friendship
Yes please go do your thing (well away from sudo). Seeing as you told me "get the
fuck out of my space" I won't be missing you much. One of the nicest things about
the move to the omni will likely be not having you around anymore.
On June 9, 2014 8:14:10 PM PDT, Timon of Proximal Development
<timondocent(a)gmail.com> wrote:
FYI Yar is incorrect. She witnessed the verbal notice
herself, which I
was
given by Matt, who had been avoiding me, after David(?) from TPS came
over
to broach conversation, and mention to me that I'd been banned.
I said Oh, really, walked back the few yards to where Matt and others
were
talking (we were all outside for smoke breaks). I asked for written
confirmations for the ban, from both sudo and TPS, and was promised
both
there and then, so I said OK, and that I would make it my last night in
the
common area (where I had some conversations already going on, and had
been
relaxing and creating all night). I said that I really needed the
written
statements, and explained why, and got committments to provide them. I
got
Matt's (sent from his cell right there?) almost immediately, and then
no
further confirmation. Nonetheless, I refrained from using the common
area.
I have never been told what I do that makes people feel unsafe, never
been
given a chance to meet anyone to discuss how my behavior might be
improved,
and never, evidently considered worthy of the most minimal and polite
explanation (because there is not enough time).
Alas, unfortunately, no.
Anybody who wants the real story, or to give me the real story, feel
free,
if you do it in a way that involves compassion.
Otherwise, those who are not in my list of 11-of-13 people who decided
not
to knock on my door or call the phone number posted on it (where I
generally am, stuck there trying to do business despite Goerge, in a
closed-office located 1 minute or less from the sudo meeting itself)
--
Anybody who is not such an impolite and crue
couldn't-spare-the-timer...
not one of those who decided it was to much of a waste of time to
explain,
have me there (even telephonically) or with
non-violent-process-facilitators at a future date chosen at sudo's
leisure
... is welcome in the child-friendly space I will be creating myself,
assuming they agree to and sign something that will help us prevent
this
very thing from happening over there, too.
Close to two dozen people on a total of three occasions have seen me
ask
for a mediated discussion with Matt or Juul. Nuff said. I tried, often,
in
front of witnesses. And if there a list of times I avoided people
trying to
make an appointment with me, then please show me the email or message
attempts.
Oh well.
See ya.
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:23 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
FYI,
Timon was given verbal and written notice on the night of Thursday
May
22, that he is not welcome at Sudoroom. At the
following meeting,
Wednesday May 28, 13/13 members present consensed on this statement:
"Regardless of Timon's current membership status, we find him in 'bad
standing' with regard to sudo room's values, specifically with regard
to 'safe space'. We ban Timon from the sudo room, for an indefinite
period."
This was not a conflict resolution process, it was a ban in the
interest of safe space.That same meeting also consented generally
that
2141 tenants don't have an inherent right to
our common space and
need
specific permission to access it.
BAPS has a policy of honoring all Sudoroom bans.
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014-05-28#Bans
In a perfect world we would offer endless compassion, restoration and
reparation towards all beings. In this world, we don't have the time
or resources to provide the care everybody needs. We sincerely hope
they can find it elsewhere.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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10:36 p.m.
New subject: Fear / food / friendship
Hey all,
FYI, i flipped Timon's moderation bit, so his messages may not be getting
through to the list. If you think this was a poor decision, you're welcome
to bring it up at this week's meeting.
This decision made for the wellbeing of the wider sudo community, and for
solidarity in the face of those who would attempt to seed fear, uncertainty
and distrust through self-serving manipulation.
Not okay.
Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
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http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com
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"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
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On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yes please go do your thing (well away from sudo).
Seeing as you told me
"get the fuck out of my space" I won't be missing you much. One of the
nicest things about the move to the omni will likely be not having you
around anymore.
On June 9, 2014 8:14:10 PM PDT, Timon of Proximal Development <
timondocent(a)gmail.com> wrote:
FYI Yar is incorrect. She witnessed the verbal notice herself, which I
was given by Matt, who had been avoiding me, after David(?) from TPS came
over to broach conversation, and mention to me that I'd been banned.
I said Oh, really, walked back the few yards to where Matt and others
were talking (we were all outside for smoke breaks). I asked for written
confirmations for the ban, from both sudo and TPS, and was promised both
there and then, so I said OK, and that I would make it my last night in the
common area (where I had some conversations already going on, and had been
relaxing and creating all night). I said that I really needed the written
statements, and explained why, and got committments to provide them. I got
Matt's (sent from his cell right there?) almost immediately, and then no
further confirmation. Nonetheless, I refrained from using the common area.
I have never been told what I do that makes people feel unsafe, never
been given a chance to meet anyone to discuss how my behavior might be
improved, and never, evidently considered worthy of the most minimal and
polite explanation (because there is not enough time).
Alas, unfortunately, no.
Anybody who wants the real story, or to give me the real story, feel
free, if you do it in a way that involves compassion.
Otherwise, those who are not in my list of 11-of-13 people who decided
not to knock on my door or call the phone number posted on it (where I
generally am, stuck there trying to do business despite Goerge, in a
closed-office located 1 minute or less from the sudo meeting itself) --
Anybody who is not such an impolite and crue couldn't-spare-the-timer...
not one of those who decided it was to much of a waste of time to explain,
have me there (even telephonically) or with
non-violent-process-facilitators at a future date chosen at sudo's leisure
... is welcome in the child-friendly space I will be creating myself,
assuming they agree to and sign something that will help us prevent this
very thing from happening over there, too.
Close to two dozen people on a total of three occasions have seen me ask
for a mediated discussion with Matt or Juul. Nuff said. I tried, often, in
front of witnesses. And if there a list of times I avoided people trying to
make an appointment with me, then please show me the email or message
attempts.
Oh well.
See ya.
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:23 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
FYI,
Timon was given verbal and written notice on the night of Thursday May
22, that he is not welcome at Sudoroom. At the following meeting,
Wednesday May 28, 13/13 members present consensed on this statement:
"Regardless of Timon's current membership status, we find him in 'bad
standing' with regard to sudo room's values, specifically with regard
to 'safe space'. We ban Timon from the sudo room, for an indefinite
period."
This was not a conflict resolution process, it was a ban in the
interest of safe space.That same meeting also consented generally that
2141 tenants don't have an inherent right to our common space and need
specific permission to access it.
BAPS has a policy of honoring all Sudoroom bans.
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014-05-28#Bans
In a perfect world we would offer endless compassion, restoration and
reparation towards all beings. In this world, we don't have the time
or resources to provide the care everybody needs. We sincerely hope
they can find it elsewhere.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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