On Oct 13, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com>

What if Omni shares ownership with Bay Area Community Land Trust? Last year the fundraising wg was leaning towards schemes like where BACLT owns the land and Omni owns the building. BACLT is a 501c3 and the kind of property stewardship we're assigning to "Omni2" is already their core mission. I'm sorry to say, I don't think power balance issues can ever be eradicated while Sudo owns half the building. One of the most important powers at Omni is the power to reject or kick out another collective. Not that I foresee anybody actually kicking out Sudo, but over the past few years, Sudoroom has exercised its blocking power to prevent several new groups from joining or remaining in Omni (Creative Empowerment Project, Oakland Nights Live), and to prevent other Omni groups from making important operating decisions which affected their status - such as Buried Seeds decreasing their rent, Homes Not Jails being a member collective without paying rent, Black Hole using the basement, Backspace's various plans, etc. Who would be able to hold Sudoroom to similar standards it's held for other groups? It's not about whether we trust each other. If you have to say "trust me" then you don't just have a "perceived power imbalance", you have a real one. _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Alice, in theory it's a good solution, but for the amount of money being contributed, it has to be a well-established, existing nonprofit. Not sure about the land trust, though. On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 9:32 AM beehappysolutions < beehappysolutions(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > I’ve seen a sign on telegraph ave southbound of the 24 frwy over pass > that says something like “east bay community sharing” and I had the idea - > > If they are a registered 501c3 why not buy a nonprofit for the > purchase of the Omni building - I think all you would have to do is change > the names of the officers. > > I apologize if this is a stupid idea > > and I apologized for not getting to Wednesdays sudo meeting - but > family happens > > with love > > Alice > > > > On Oct 13, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Yardena Cohen &lt;yardenack(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > > > > What if Omni shares ownership with Bay Area Community Land Trust? > Last > > year the fundraising wg was leaning towards schemes like where BACLT > > owns the land and Omni owns the building. BACLT is a 501c3 and the > > kind of property stewardship we're assigning to "Omni2" is already > > their core mission. > > > > I'm sorry to say, I don't think power balance issues can ever be > > eradicated while Sudo owns half the building. One of the most > > important powers at Omni is the power to reject or kick out another > > collective. Not that I foresee anybody actually kicking out Sudo, but > > over the past few years, Sudoroom has exercised its blocking power to > > prevent several new groups from joining or remaining in Omni > (Creative > > Empowerment Project, Oakland Nights Live), and to prevent other Omni > > groups from making important operating decisions which affected their > > status - such as Buried Seeds decreasing their rent, Homes Not Jails > > being a member collective without paying rent, Black Hole using the > > basement, Backspace's various plans, etc. Who would be able to hold > > Sudoroom to similar standards it's held for other groups? It's not > > about whether we trust each other. If you have to say "trust me" then > > you don't just have a "perceived power imbalance", you have a real > > one. > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss > _______________________________________________ consensus mailing list consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/consensus

Hi Almaz, The current idea is to essentially use the "shell" of the 501(c)3 organization that the Sudo folks set up, but change its bylaws and board such that the new organization is governed by the delegates meeting, exactly matching the current Omni organization. And likely change its name to something like "Omni 2" Also make sure to check Jenny's latest thread: the very latest development is that this new "Omni 2" 501(c)3 could receive *both* the $1M donation and the $1M loan from our generous benefactor, which would hugely simplify things. The people currently in the Sudo collective would have no more control over the new "Omni 2" than any of the other collectives. They could set up a new nonprofit organization - essentially having "donated" their old 501(c)3 to Omni - or they could become a sponsored project of Omni 2. Patrik On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:47 PM, almaz Y &lt;ahana75(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > I don't think Sudo buying half of the building is good idea. Some Sudo > members already feel they have higher power now in this building and their > are not welcoming to other people. If they own half of the Omni they will > have more power to reject or kick out another collective. > > The mission statement of the Omni Commons will change. Please look for > a different options. > > Thank you, > > > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Lesley Bell &lt;zvezdalune(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> Alice, in theory it's a good solution, but for the amount of money >> being contributed, it has to be a well-established, existing nonprofit. >> >> Not sure about the land trust, though. >> >> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 9:32 AM beehappysolutions < >> beehappysolutions(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> I’ve seen a sign on telegraph ave southbound of the 24 frwy over >>> pass that says something like “east bay community sharing” and I had the >>> idea - >>> >>> If they are a registered 501c3 why not buy a nonprofit for the >>> purchase of the Omni building - I think all you would have to do is change >>> the names of the officers. >>> >>> I apologize if this is a stupid idea >>> >>> and I apologized for not getting to Wednesdays sudo meeting - but >>> family happens >>> >>> with love >>> >>> Alice >>> >>> >>> > On Oct 13, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Yardena Cohen &lt;yardenack(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > What if Omni shares ownership with Bay Area Community Land Trust? >>> Last >>> > year the fundraising wg was leaning towards schemes like where >>> BACLT >>> > owns the land and Omni owns the building. BACLT is a 501c3 and the >>> > kind of property stewardship we're assigning to "Omni2" is already >>> > their core mission. >>> > >>> > I'm sorry to say, I don't think power balance issues can ever be >>> > eradicated while Sudo owns half the building. One of the most >>> > important powers at Omni is the power to reject or kick out another >>> > collective. Not that I foresee anybody actually kicking out Sudo, >>> but >>> > over the past few years, Sudoroom has exercised its blocking power >>> to >>> > prevent several new groups from joining or remaining in Omni >>> (Creative >>> > Empowerment Project, Oakland Nights Live), and to prevent other >>> Omni >>> > groups from making important operating decisions which affected >>> their >>> > status - such as Buried Seeds decreasing their rent, Homes Not >>> Jails >>> > being a member collective without paying rent, Black Hole using the >>> > basement, Backspace's various plans, etc. Who would be able to hold >>> > Sudoroom to similar standards it's held for other groups? It's not >>> > about whether we trust each other. If you have to say "trust me" >>> then >>> > you don't just have a "perceived power imbalance", you have a real >>> > one. >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > sudo-discuss mailing list >>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> consensus mailing list >> consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org >> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/consensus >> >> > > > -- > Almaz Yihdego, MPA > www.globalcommunicationservices.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "CCult Lab's Board" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to CultLabsBoard+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >