12 Dec
2014
12 Dec
'14
3:09 p.m.
Hey all,
I'm having some trouble with shawn in the bookstore.
He comes in and makes a mess and is rude and obstinate when I ask him to
clean it up. In general he's pretty nasty to me and while I am sympathetic
to his situation I'm going to have to start asking him to leave the
bookstore when I am here.
N
15 Dec
15 Dec
7:03 p.m.
New subject: [omni-discuss] Shawn
I too have had less than steller interactions, and witness similar with
others, including Niki on one or more occasions.
It's a shame that he does not seem to respect the space. I understsnd that
he's in a bad way, and has little other options. But I feel we are in need
of a sit down with him about how he might conduct himself here in a way
that is at least slightly less aggravating/ alienating/ etc.
That being said, I have years of experience interacting with mentally ill
(decades), socially inept, and homeless people. At some point a line needs
to be drawn. We are not his parents, nor are we responsible for his
situation. We are not obligated to light ourselves on fire to keep someone
else warm.
Are a few of us free some time soon to meet up to discuss this in person?
To discuss in general the handful of people who have acted in similar (and
worse) ways recently, and try to find a solution.
~ Korl
500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Dec 12, 2014 3:10 PM, "niki" <niki.shelley(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
I'm having some trouble with shawn in the bookstore.
He comes in and makes a mess and is rude and obstinate when I ask him to
clean it up. In general he's pretty nasty to me and while I am sympathetic
to his situation I'm going to have to start asking him to leave the
bookstore when I am here.
N
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16 Dec
16 Dec
10:11 a.m.
New subject: [omni-discuss] Shawn
Shaun has a friend/guardian named John at the Purple House collective.
I just cant remember John's last name but he is easy to find at the
Purple House.
joe
On Dec 15, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Eske Silver wrote:
I too have had less than steller interactions, and
witness similar with others, including Niki on one or more occasions.
It's a shame that he does not seem to respect the space. I understsnd that he's
in a bad way, and has little other options. But I feel we are in need of a sit down with
him about how he might conduct himself here in a way that is at least slightly less
aggravating/ alienating/ etc.
That being said, I have years of experience interacting with mentally ill (decades),
socially inept, and homeless people. At some point a line needs to be drawn. We are not
his parents, nor are we responsible for his situation. We are not obligated to light
ourselves on fire to keep someone else warm.
Are a few of us free some time soon to meet up to discuss this in person? To discuss in
general the handful of people who have acted in similar (and worse) ways recently, and try
to find a solution.
~ Korl
500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Dec 12, 2014 3:10 PM, "niki" <niki.shelley(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
I'm having some trouble with shawn in the bookstore.
He comes in and makes a mess and is rude and obstinate when I ask him to clean it up. In
general he's pretty nasty to me and while I am sympathetic to his situation I'm
going to have to start asking him to leave the bookstore when I am here.
N
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4:03 p.m.
New subject: [omni-discuss] Shawn
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Eske Silver <eske.silver(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I too have had less than steller interactions, and witness similar with
others, including Niki on one or more occasions.
It's a shame that he does not seem to respect the space. I understsnd that
he's in a bad way, and has little other options. But I feel we are in need
of a sit down with him about how he might conduct himself here in a way
that is at least slightly less aggravating/ alienating/ etc.
That being said, I have years of experience interacting with mentally ill
(decades), socially inept, and homeless people. At some point a line needs
to be drawn. We are not his parents, nor are we responsible for his
situation. We are not obligated to light ourselves on fire to keep someone
else warm.
Are a few of us free some time soon to meet up to discuss this in person?
To discuss in general the handful of people who have acted in similar (and
worse) ways recently, and try to find a solution.
Could this be a subject for tomorrow's meeting?
--
marc/juul
8:29 p.m.
New subject: [omni-discuss] Shawn
I added to the agenda as a general item (dealing with
rude/aggressive/abusive/drunk guests/squatters... etc)
~ Korl
500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Dec 16, 2014 4:03 PM, "Marc Juul" <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Eske Silver <eske.silver(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I too have had less than steller interactions, and witness similar with
others, including Niki on one or more occasions.
It's a shame that he does not seem to respect the space. I understsnd
that he's in a bad way, and has little other options. But I feel we are in
need of a sit down with him about how he might conduct himself here in a
way that is at least slightly less aggravating/ alienating/ etc.
That being said, I have years of experience interacting with mentally ill
(decades), socially inept, and homeless people. At some point a line needs
to be drawn. We are not his parents, nor are we responsible for his
situation. We are not obligated to light ourselves on fire to keep someone
else warm.
Are a few of us free some time soon to meet up to discuss this in person?
To discuss in general the handful of people who have acted in similar (and
worse) ways recently, and try to find a solution.
Could this be a subject for tomorrow's meeting?
--
marc/juul
17 Dec
17 Dec
1:22 p.m.
New subject: [omni-discuss] Shawn
As a rude, aggressive, abusive drunk squatter, I find this offensive.
On Tue, December 16, 2014 10:29 pm, Eske Silver wrote:
I added to the agenda as a general item (dealing with
rude/aggressive/abusive/drunk guests/squatters... etc)
~ Korl
500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Dec 16, 2014 4:03 PM, "Marc Juul" <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
--
Not all who wander are lost.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Eske Silver <eske.silver(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
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I too have had less than steller interactions, and witness similar with
others, including Niki on one or more occasions.
It's a shame that he does not seem to respect the space. I understsnd
that he's in a bad way, and has little other options. But I feel we are in
need of a sit down with him about how he might conduct himself here in a
way that is at least slightly less aggravating/ alienating/ etc.
That being said, I have years of experience interacting with mentally ill
(decades), socially inept, and homeless people. At some point a line needs
to be drawn. We are not his parents, nor are we responsible for his
situation. We are not obligated to light ourselves on fire to keep someone
else warm.
Are a few of us free some time soon to meet up to discuss this in person?
To discuss in general the handful of people who have acted in similar (and
worse) ways recently, and try to find a solution.
Could this be a subject for tomorrow's meeting?
--
marc/juul
18 Dec
18 Dec
2:27 a.m.
New subject: [omni-discuss] Shawn
Aye, aye. Slashes, bruh, slashes! Not commas!
Sheesh.
~ Korl
500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Dec 17, 2014 1:23 PM, Løng$hanks <longshanks(a)spaz.org> wrote:
As a rude, aggressive, abusive drunk squatter, I find
this offensive.
On Tue, December 16, 2014 10:29 pm, Eske Silver wrote:
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Not all who wander are lost.
I added to the agenda as a general item (dealing
with
rude/aggressive/abusive/drunk guests/squatters... etc)
~ Korl
500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Dec 16, 2014 4:03 PM, "Marc Juul" <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Eske Silver <eske.silver(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I too have had less than steller interactions, and witness similar with
>> others, including Niki on one or more occasions.
>> It's a shame that he does not seem to respect the space. I understsnd
>> that he's in a bad way, and has little other options. But I feel we
are in
>> need of a sit down with him about how he
might conduct himself here in
a
>> way that is at least slightly less
aggravating/ alienating/ etc.
>> That being said, I have years of experience interacting with mentally
ill
>> (decades), socially inept, and homeless
people. At some point a line
needs
>> to be drawn. We are not his parents, nor
are we responsible for his
>> situation. We are not obligated to light ourselves on fire to keep
someone
>> else warm.
>> Are a few of us free some time soon to meet up to discuss this in
person?
>> To discuss in general the handful of
people who have acted in similar
(and
worse) ways recently, and try to find a solution.
Could this be a subject for tomorrow's meeting?
--
marc/juul
2:54 a.m.
New subject: [omni-discuss] Shawn
The topic was added to the delegate agenda to include All of the recent
incidents and iteractions with guests who have caused physical discomfort,
and/or uneasiness, distrust, alienation, etc, etc, etc.
Shawn is included in this group, as he is one of the guests who has behaved
in abusive (wide definiton, mind) ways not only toward people, but toward
the commons itself.
We ought to have a communal discussion about All similar characters,
interactions and concerns.
If someone would contact John Benson to ask if he would be willing to help
us specifically with Shawn, that would be best.
Since his behavior doesn't seem entirely in his control, we should of
course approach his case with empathy, but also that we cannot tolerate
abusive behavior of any kind, as it wholly violates the goal of the commons
being a place where people feel safe, respected, supported, etc.
Whichever decision is made, that concerns Shawn and/or other current and
future aggrevators, I think it's only fair that all who are and have been
affected by the individual/s and their behavior, ought to be present and
have their concerns voiced. But perhaps both situations concurrently
wouldn't hurt.
~ Korl
500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Dec 18, 2014 2:27 AM, "Eske Silver" <eske.silver(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Aye, aye. Slashes, bruh, slashes! Not commas!
Sheesh.
~ Korl
500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Dec 17, 2014 1:23 PM, Løng$hanks <longshanks(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> As a rude, aggressive, abusive drunk squatter, I find this offensive.
>
> On Tue, December 16, 2014 10:29 pm, Eske Silver wrote:
> > I added to the agenda as a general item (dealing with
> > rude/aggressive/abusive/drunk guests/squatters... etc)
> >
> > ~ Korl
> >
> > 500px.com/eske
> > 510.689.4484
> > On Dec 16, 2014 4:03 PM, "Marc Juul" <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Eske Silver <eske.silver(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I too have had less than steller interactions, and witness similar
> with
> >>> others, including Niki on one or more occasions.
> >>> It's a shame that he does not seem to respect the space. I
understsnd
> >>> that he's in a bad way, and has little other options. But I feel we
> are in
> >>> need of a sit down with him about how he might conduct himself here
> in a
> >>> way that is at least slightly less aggravating/ alienating/ etc.
> >>> That being said, I have years of experience interacting with mentally
> ill
> >>> (decades), socially inept, and homeless people. At some point a line
> needs
> >>> to be drawn. We are not his parents, nor are we responsible for his
> >>> situation. We are not obligated to light ourselves on fire to keep
> someone
> >>> else warm.
> >>> Are a few of us free some time soon to meet up to discuss this in
> person?
> >>> To discuss in general the handful of people who have acted in similar
> (and
> >>> worse) ways recently, and try to find a solution.
> >>>
> >> Could this be a subject for tomorrow's meeting?
> >>
> >> --
> >> marc/juul
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> > https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> >
>
>
> --
> Not all who wander are lost.
>
>
6:13 a.m.
New subject: [omni-discuss] Shawn
I'm sorry that I won't be able to make the meeting on Thursday and thanks,
Korl, for taking this up.
I appreciate your compassion and agree that we should approach the
situation with empathy - I would prefer for us to find a way to work with
Shawn so that both he and those who interact with him feel comfortable in
the space, if that's possible.
<3
Niki
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 2:54 AM, Eske Silver <eske.silver(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The topic was added to the delegate agenda to include All of the recent
incidents and iteractions with guests who have caused physical discomfort,
and/or uneasiness, distrust, alienation, etc, etc, etc.
Shawn is included in this group, as he is one of the guests who has
behaved in abusive (wide definiton, mind) ways not only toward people, but
toward the commons itself.
We ought to have a communal discussion about All similar characters,
interactions and concerns.
If someone would contact John Benson to ask if he would be willing to help
us specifically with Shawn, that would be best.
Since his behavior doesn't seem entirely in his control, we should of
course approach his case with empathy, but also that we cannot tolerate
abusive behavior of any kind, as it wholly violates the goal of the commons
being a place where people feel safe, respected, supported, etc.
Whichever decision is made, that concerns Shawn and/or other current and
future aggrevators, I think it's only fair that all who are and have been
affected by the individual/s and their behavior, ought to be present and
have their concerns voiced. But perhaps both situations concurrently
wouldn't hurt.
~ Korl
500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Dec 18, 2014 2:27 AM, "Eske Silver" <eske.silver(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Aye, aye. Slashes, bruh, slashes! Not commas!
Sheesh.
~ Korl
500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Dec 17, 2014 1:23 PM, Løng$hanks <longshanks(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> As a rude, aggressive, abusive drunk squatter, I find this offensive.
>
> On Tue, December 16, 2014 10:29 pm, Eske Silver wrote:
> > I added to the agenda as a general item (dealing with
> > rude/aggressive/abusive/drunk guests/squatters... etc)
> >
> > ~ Korl
> >
> > 500px.com/eske
> > 510.689.4484
> > On Dec 16, 2014 4:03 PM, "Marc Juul" <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Eske Silver <eske.silver(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I too have had less than steller interactions, and witness similar
> with
> >>> others, including Niki on one or more occasions.
> >>> It's a shame that he does not seem to respect the space. I
understsnd
> >>> that he's in a bad way, and has little other options. But I feel we
> are in
> >>> need of a sit down with him about how he might conduct himself here
> in a
> >>> way that is at least slightly less aggravating/ alienating/ etc.
> >>> That being said, I have years of experience interacting with
> mentally ill
> >>> (decades), socially inept, and homeless people. At some point a line
> needs
> >>> to be drawn. We are not his parents, nor are we responsible for his
> >>> situation. We are not obligated to light ourselves on fire to keep
> someone
> >>> else warm.
> >>> Are a few of us free some time soon to meet up to discuss this in
> person?
> >>> To discuss in general the handful of people who have acted in
> similar (and
> >>> worse) ways recently, and try to find a solution.
> >>>
> >> Could this be a subject for tomorrow's meeting?
> >>
> >> --
> >> marc/juul
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> > https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> >
>
>
> --
> Not all who wander are lost.
>
>
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11:13 a.m.
New subject: Shawn + zinetic thread hijack
A little holiday trolling...come on, cut me some slack, jill & jack.
B t w I changed my mind & am producing two or three more issues of my award-winning,
bestselling, antiestablishmentally ill anarcho-zine, SF RESISTOR! Isn't that neat?
Here's a little teaser....page 3 from the 2nd zine-in-progress, which will be done by
xmas.
It features notes on printing & design that may be of interest to a few techminded
zinephile
types. Those people still exist, right? I'm not completely alone here?
Oh, &...something I just wrote:
Now I lay me down to sleep,
mystified by all the sheep
who pray the bank their homes to take
little guessing what's at stake
On Thu, December 18, 2014 8:13 am, niki wrote:
I'm sorry that I won't be able to make the
meeting on Thursday and thanks,
Korl, for taking this up.
I appreciate your compassion and agree that we should approach the
situation with empathy - I would prefer for us to find a way to work with
Shawn so that both he and those who interact with him feel comfortable in
the space, if that's possible.
<3
Niki
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 2:54 AM, Eske Silver <eske.silver(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
Not all who wander are lost.
The topic was added to the delegate agenda to include All of the recent
incidents and iteractions with guests who have caused physical discomfort,
and/or uneasiness, distrust, alienation, etc, etc, etc.
Shawn is included in this group, as he is one of the guests who has
behaved in abusive (wide definiton, mind) ways not only toward people, but
toward the commons itself.
We ought to have a communal discussion about All similar characters,
interactions and concerns.
If someone would contact John Benson to ask if he would be willing to help
us specifically with Shawn, that would be best.
Since his behavior doesn't seem entirely in his control, we should of
course approach his case with empathy, but also that we cannot tolerate
abusive behavior of any kind, as it wholly violates the goal of the commons
being a place where people feel safe, respected, supported, etc.
Whichever decision is made, that concerns Shawn and/or other current and
future aggrevators, I think it's only fair that all who are and have been
affected by the individual/s and their behavior, ought to be present and
have their concerns voiced. But perhaps both situations concurrently
wouldn't hurt.
~ Korl
500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Dec 18, 2014 2:27 AM, "Eske Silver" <eske.silver(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Aye, aye. Slashes, bruh, slashes! Not commas!
Sheesh.
~ Korl
500px.com/eske
510.689.4484
On Dec 17, 2014 1:23 PM, Løng$hanks <longshanks(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> As a rude, aggressive, abusive drunk squatter, I find this offensive.
>
> On Tue, December 16, 2014 10:29 pm, Eske Silver wrote:
> > I added to the agenda as a general item (dealing with
> > rude/aggressive/abusive/drunk guests/squatters... etc)
> >
> > ~ Korl
> >
> > 500px.com/eske
> > 510.689.4484
> > On Dec 16, 2014 4:03 PM, "Marc Juul" <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Eske Silver <eske.silver(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I too have had less than steller interactions, and witness similar
> with
> >>> others, including Niki on one or more occasions.
> >>> It's a shame that he does not seem to respect the space. I
understsnd
> >>> that he's in a bad way, and has little other options. But I feel we
> are in
> >>> need of a sit down with him about how he might conduct himself here
> in a
> >>> way that is at least slightly less aggravating/ alienating/ etc.
> >>> That being said, I have years of experience interacting with
> mentally ill
> >>> (decades), socially inept, and homeless people. At some point a line
> needs
> >>> to be drawn. We are not his parents, nor are we responsible for his
> >>> situation. We are not obligated to light ourselves on fire to keep
> someone
> >>> else warm.
> >>> Are a few of us free some time soon to meet up to discuss this in
> person?
> >>> To discuss in general the handful of people who have acted in
> similar (and
> >>> worse) ways recently, and try to find a solution.
> >>>
> >> Could this be a subject for tomorrow's meeting?
> >>
> >> --
> >> marc/juul
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> > https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> >
>
>
> --
> Not all who wander are lost.
>
>
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