Fwd: [sudo-info] reaching out from google.org regarding an assistive technology hackathon
24 Jun
2015
24 Jun
'15
1:24 p.m.
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From: "Arie Meir" <ariemeir(a)google.com>
Date: Jun 24, 2015 12:13 PM
Subject: [sudo-info] reaching out from google.org regarding an assistive
technology hackathon
To: <info(a)sudoroom.org>
Cc:
Dear Sudoroom community,
I'm reaching out from the philanthropic arm of Google, Google.org which
supports non-profits aimed at technical innovation.
In our attempt to expand opportunity and independence for people with
disabilities we have recently launched a campaign
<https://get.google.com/disabilitiesimpactchallenge/open-call.html> aiming
to identify
and support non-profits doing innovative work in the assistive technology
space.
The reason for this email is that in addition to the campaign,we are
thinking of organizing
a hackathon around mid-late august focused on assistive technology using this
event <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_BQzJD9gpo>
as a source of inspiration.
The basic idea is to bring the need-knowers (people with disabilities and
their
families/caregivers) together in the same room with tech folks
(hackers/makers/designers) and develop prototypes for affordable products
that
could serve the needs of the community of people with disabilities.
We thought that the hacker community of Sudoroom might find it
interesting/relevant
and some folks perhaps wish to participate.
We are trying to gauge the level of interest in something like this from
the hacker/maker/developer community.
Thoughts ? Ideas ? What should we think of to make this event more
relevant/interesting to the folks involved ?
With kindest regards,
On behalf of Google.org,
Arie Meir
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1:27 p.m.
FWIW Arie was at the NB meeting last night talking about this. It sounds
like a really awesome event, where folks can hack on things to make a
real difference in the lives of others.
p
On 6/24/15 1:24 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote:
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From: "Arie Meir" <ariemeir(a)google.com
<mailto:ariemeir@google.com>>
Date: Jun 24, 2015 12:13 PM
Subject: [sudo-info] reaching out from google.org <http://google.org>
regarding an assistive technology hackathon
To: <info(a)sudoroom.org <mailto:info@sudoroom.org>>
Cc:
Dear Sudoroom community,
I'm reaching out from the philanthropic arm of Google, Google.org which
supports non-profits aimed at technical innovation.
In our attempt to expand opportunity and independence for people with
disabilities we have recently launched a campaign
<https://get.google.com/disabilitiesimpactchallenge/open-call.html> aiming
to identify
and support non-profits doing innovative work in the assistive
technology space.
The reason for this email is that in addition to the campaign,we are
thinking of organizing
a hackathon around mid-late august focused on assistive technology
using this event <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_BQzJD9gpo>
as a source of inspiration.
The basic idea is to bring the need-knowers (people with disabilities
and their
families/caregivers) together in the same room with tech folks
(hackers/makers/designers) and develop prototypes for affordable
products that
could serve the needs of the community of people with disabilities.
We thought that the hacker community of Sudoroom might find it
interesting/relevant
and some folks perhaps wish to participate.
We are trying to gauge the level of interest in something like this from
the hacker/maker/developer community.
Thoughts ? Ideas ? What should we think of to make this event more
relevant/interesting to the folks involved ?
With kindest regards,
On behalf of Google.org,
Arie Meir
--
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*
*Arie Meir *|* *Technology Portfolio Lead, Google.org | +1.209.565.3886
<tel:1.209.565.3886> | ariemeir(a)google.com <mailto:ariemeir@google.com>
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1:57 p.m.
+1
Sounds like some really cool things could come out of this
On Jun 24, 2015 1:27 PM, "Patrick O'Doherty" <p(a)trickod.com> wrote:
FWIW Arie was at the NB meeting last night talking
about this. It sounds
like a really awesome event, where folks can hack on things to make a
real difference in the lives of others.
p
On 6/24/15 1:24 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Arie Meir" <ariemeir(a)google.com
<mailto:ariemeir@google.com>>
Date: Jun 24, 2015 12:13 PM
Subject: [sudo-info] reaching out from google.org <http://google.org>
regarding an assistive technology hackathon
To: <info(a)sudoroom.org <mailto:info@sudoroom.org>>
Cc:
Dear Sudoroom community,
I'm reaching out from the philanthropic arm of Google, Google.org which
supports non-profits aimed at technical innovation.
In our attempt to expand opportunity and independence for people with
disabilities we have recently launched a campaign
<https://get.google.com/disabilitiesimpactchallenge/open-call.html>
aiming
to identify
and support non-profits doing innovative work in the assistive
technology space.
The reason for this email is that in addition to the campaign,we are
thinking of organizing
a hackathon around mid-late august focused on assistive technology
using this event <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_BQzJD9gpo>
as a source of inspiration.
The basic idea is to bring the need-knowers (people with disabilities
and their
families/caregivers) together in the same room with tech folks
(hackers/makers/designers) and develop prototypes for affordable
products that
could serve the needs of the community of people with disabilities.
We thought that the hacker community of Sudoroom might find it
interesting/relevant
and some folks perhaps wish to participate.
We are trying to gauge the level of interest in something like this from
the hacker/maker/developer community.
Thoughts ? Ideas ? What should we think of to make this event more
relevant/interesting to the folks involved ?
With kindest regards,
On behalf of Google.org,
Arie Meir
--
**____________***
*
*Arie Meir *|* *Technology Portfolio Lead, Google.org | +1.209.565.3886
<tel:1.209.565.3886> | ariemeir(a)google.com <mailto:ariemeir@google.com>
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2:36 p.m.
I don't disagree, but ... it's still Google.
The "official rules" don't look too heinous, but they are vague. It
doesn't say who will own the finished products.
Do we need google to do this?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Lesley Bell <zvezdalune(a)gmail.com> wrote:
+1
Sounds like some really cool things could come out of this
On Jun 24, 2015 1:27 PM, "Patrick O'Doherty" <p(a)trickod.com> wrote:
FWIW Arie was at the NB meeting last night
talking about this. It sounds
like a really awesome event, where folks can hack on things to make a
real difference in the lives of others.
p
On 6/24/15 1:24 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote:
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From: "Arie Meir" <ariemeir(a)google.com
<mailto:ariemeir@google.com>>
Date: Jun 24, 2015 12:13 PM
Subject: [sudo-info] reaching out from google.org <http://google.org>
regarding an assistive technology hackathon
To: <info(a)sudoroom.org <mailto:info@sudoroom.org>>
Cc:
Dear Sudoroom community,
I'm reaching out from the philanthropic arm of Google, Google.org which
supports non-profits aimed at technical innovation.
In our attempt to expand opportunity and independence for people with
disabilities we have recently launched a campaign
<https://get.google.com/disabilitiesimpactchallenge/open-call.html>
aiming
to identify
and support non-profits doing innovative work in the assistive
technology space.
The reason for this email is that in addition to the campaign,we are
thinking of organizing
a hackathon around mid-late august focused on assistive technology
using this event <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_BQzJD9gpo>
as a source of inspiration.
The basic idea is to bring the need-knowers (people with disabilities
and their
families/caregivers) together in the same room with tech folks
(hackers/makers/designers) and develop prototypes for affordable
products that
could serve the needs of the community of people with disabilities.
We thought that the hacker community of Sudoroom might find it
interesting/relevant
and some folks perhaps wish to participate.
We are trying to gauge the level of interest in something like this from
the hacker/maker/developer community.
Thoughts ? Ideas ? What should we think of to make this event more
relevant/interesting to the folks involved ?
With kindest regards,
On behalf of Google.org,
Arie Meir
--
**____________***
*
*Arie Meir *|* *Technology Portfolio Lead, Google.org | +1.209.565.3886
<tel:1.209.565.3886> | ariemeir(a)google.com <mailto:ariemeir@google.com>
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3:31 p.m.
Does the source of money preclude it from doing good? (note very
carefully: I'm not saying money absolves you of sins)
I'd encourage you to reach out to Arie; I trust he'll give you a great
answer to any questions you might have.
Of course you don't need Google to do this, but should it come with
financial help and resources that (sudo|noisebridge) *does* need without
strings attached, then why reject such an offer in good faith?
On 6/24/15 2:36 PM, Julio Rios wrote:
I don't disagree, but ... it's still Google.
The "official rules" don't look too heinous, but they are vague. It
doesn't say who will own the finished products.
Do we need google to do this?
3:48 p.m.
Things that scare me about stuff like this is that it inevitably becomes
not about the needs of the disabled community and instead becomes more
about what people think the disabled community wants.
I know they want to get the "need-knowers" in the same room (and I'm really
not sure why the family of disabled folks are "need-knowers" as they are
often just as bad about this), but there tends to be an overwhelming number
of people who just want to help out of a misguided sense of pity. So it
becomes a gross ego-stroking mess less about actually helping out disabled
folks, and more about able-bodied, neurotypical folks wanting to do their
"good deed" for the day.
Even the language on their page really skeeves me out. They're focusing on
the 10 year scale, when they have the power to affect the here and now. Why
doesn't Google Maps track where there are curb cuts? WIth street view, they
could pretty easily go through and identify intersections where there
aren't curb cuts. Then, they could parse that into Maps and identify
walking directions that work for people in wheelchairs.
But that's not as sexy as 3D-printed prostheses or exoskeletons.
In fact, they specifically say they want solutions that use "cutting-edge"
technology. But why use cutting-edge technology, when we aren't even using
what we have at hand? Sure, if you come up with an "innovative" idea it's
fine, but they don't want to make existing approaches better for folks with
disabilities. In fact, they specifically say that they want "entirely new
solutions and approaches." Which just feeds into the social model of
disability. Why do we need an entirely new solution for me, when we could
make the current solution feasible? It breaks all the principles of
Universal Design, which goes far beyond architecture.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I don't disagree, but ... it's still Google.
The "official rules" don't look too heinous, but they are vague. It
doesn't say who will own the finished products.
Do we need google to do this?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Lesley Bell <zvezdalune(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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+1
Sounds like some really cool things could come out of this
On Jun 24, 2015 1:27 PM, "Patrick O'Doherty" <p(a)trickod.com> wrote:
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FWIW Arie was at the NB meeting last night
talking about this. It sounds
like a really awesome event, where folks can hack on things to make a
real difference in the lives of others.
p
On 6/24/15 1:24 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote:
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From: "Arie Meir" <ariemeir(a)google.com
<mailto:ariemeir@google.com>>
Date: Jun 24, 2015 12:13 PM
Subject: [sudo-info] reaching out from google.org <http://google.org>
regarding an assistive technology hackathon
To: <info(a)sudoroom.org <mailto:info@sudoroom.org>>
Cc:
Dear Sudoroom community,
I'm reaching out from the philanthropic arm of Google, Google.org which
supports non-profits aimed at technical innovation.
In our attempt to expand opportunity and independence for people with
disabilities we have recently launched a campaign
<https://get.google.com/disabilitiesimpactchallenge/open-call.html>
aiming
to identify
and support non-profits doing innovative work in the assistive
technology space.
The reason for this email is that in addition to the campaign,we are
thinking of organizing
a hackathon around mid-late august focused on assistive technology
using this event <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_BQzJD9gpo>
as a source of inspiration.
The basic idea is to bring the need-knowers (people with disabilities
and their
families/caregivers) together in the same room with tech folks
(hackers/makers/designers) and develop prototypes for affordable
products that
could serve the needs of the community of people with disabilities.
We thought that the hacker community of Sudoroom might find it
interesting/relevant
and some folks perhaps wish to participate.
We are trying to gauge the level of interest in something like this
from
the hacker/maker/developer community.
Thoughts ? Ideas ? What should we think of to make this event more
relevant/interesting to the folks involved ?
With kindest regards,
On behalf of Google.org,
Arie Meir
--
**____________***
*
*Arie Meir *|* *Technology Portfolio Lead, Google.org |
+1.209.565.3886
<tel:1.209.565.3886> | ariemeir(a)google.com
<mailto:ariemeir@google.com
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<mailto:ariemeir@google.com
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3:51 p.m.
Yes, thank you.
On 6/24/15 3:48 PM, Ryan wrote:
Things that scare me about stuff like this is that it
inevitably
becomes not about the needs of the disabled community and instead
becomes more about what people think the disabled community wants.
I know they want to get the "need-knowers" in the same room (and I'm
really not sure why the family of disabled folks are "need-knowers" as
they are often just as bad about this), but there tends to be an
overwhelming number of people who just want to help out of a misguided
sense of pity. So it becomes a gross ego-stroking mess less about
actually helping out disabled folks, and more about able-bodied,
neurotypical folks wanting to do their "good deed" for the day.
Even the language on their page really skeeves me out. They're
focusing on the 10 year scale, when they have the power to affect the
here and now. Why doesn't Google Maps track where there are curb cuts?
WIth street view, they could pretty easily go through and identify
intersections where there aren't curb cuts. Then, they could parse
that into Maps and identify walking directions that work for people in
wheelchairs.
But that's not as sexy as 3D-printed prostheses or exoskeletons.
In fact, they specifically say they want solutions that use
"cutting-edge" technology. But why use cutting-edge technology, when
we aren't even using what we have at hand? Sure, if you come up with
an "innovative" idea it's fine, but they don't want to make existing
approaches better for folks with disabilities. In fact, they
specifically say that they want "entirely new solutions and
approaches." Which just feeds into the social model of disability. Why
do we need an entirely new solution for me, when we could make the
current solution feasible? It breaks all the principles of Universal
Design, which goes far beyond architecture.
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