First of all I want to say that the main problem here is not the fact that you leave messes in sudoroom. The problem is that you're treating sudoroom as your living room and going feral on anyone who intrudes into "your" space. This is not surprising considering you're literally living right outside the door to Omni. I wrote a polite note asking you to clean the table you had made so disgusting, the same table you attacked Robert about yesterday, screaming that he had moved "your" table, and your response was basically a Fuck You. So I cleaned the table and you're still being shitty about it. I'm going to ask at this Tuesday meeting that you take some time off from sudoroom and the Omni, because you're not taking any opportunities to cooperate with this community and you're causing harm. It's not OK. we had to ask Chris to stop coming to sudoroom/omni because he was treating it as his home, and we liked Chris, and he tried to work things out as best he can. You're just throwing shit at everyone. -jake PS the note I left said "PLEASE" and "THANK YOU", and your response was "DO NOT WrITE ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY JAKE." and was written on the same "property", a ripped and empty envelope which you of course, left behind. On Sat, 10 Mar 2018, Steve Leach wrote: And yes, regarding your "disappointing interaction" - that began when you > made one of two bad assumptions. Your note appears to have been prompted > by > your either thinking the piles of junk filling the table were all or even > largely mine, if your complaint was the junk, or you had thought that I > had > departed for the day when I was in fact still in the building and were > bothered by my unattended laptop, tobacco, coffee cup, papers and general > paraphernalia. The next day when you encountered the same table without me > or my possessions, you still seem to have been operating under the > impression that the piles of junk to include a car battery, multiple > laptop > chargers, and all sorts of other whatnot were things I had piled there. > Now, perhaps this is understandable since you aren't here most days and > don't know what people's routines and norms are that are here. You didn't > understand that I tend to find the least loved spot - a place where I > won't > feel like I'm in anyone's way to sit and that those spots also tend to be > the paces where crap in general gets piled. I'm careful not to disturb > things that I don't know for sure are garbage and that someone doesn't > need, so I just push a clear spot out to be able to place my laptop in. > You > then posted to the mailing list about the junk on the table and your > heroic > cleaning of it - but perhaps didn't notice my response re stuff being > thrown out, I said that yea I agree stuff shouldn't be stored on the > tables > and as far as things being thrown out that was why I'm especially careful > not to leave anything of mine there on Tuesdays because the hardware > hacking tends to need the space and have more purges and re-arrangements - > and that I certainly had no problem with anything being pitched because > none of it was mine, I wasn't in the room that night and I didn't leave > anything unattended in the room to wind up pitched. So yes, the whole > interaction regarding the table was, as you say 'disappointing'. Had you > just asked me: "Dude, wtf - is all of this junk yours?" I would have said > "No, I don't even know what most of it is. It's the contents of both > tables > pushed over on this one 'cause those boxes came in." I assume you would > have then said. "Oh." and we would have had no problem. Instead you left a > note that said "STEVE: CLEAN UP THIS TABLE!" written in colored marker on > the envelope sitting next to my laptop which you mistook for garbage. I > pondered whether you were complaining about my tobacco, notes, laptop, > etc. > because I had been out of the room for an extended time and you thought I > was just really stupid/brave and had left for the night without securing > my > laptop, or if you thought I was using all of the crap on the table (and > what kind of project someone would be doing to involve all of it?), so I > parodied your note and returned it: "Jake: Don't Leave Rude Notes." It was > fascinating that you describe your note specifically as "polite" and my > response as "rude" given that I had intentionally mirrored yours. I > figured > that the absence of me and my stuff the following day, a Tuesday (when I > tend to clear out since things tend to get a little loud and chaotic and I > need to be elsewhere if I want to think) would clear up whatever > misconceptions you were operating under and was quite surprised to see > your > post to the group complaining about 'my' junk. I pointed that out in the > reply that you appear not to have read. You would have the "Oh" moment > when > you would realized that the table without me and my possessions was pretty > much as full as it was with, and that was why your note was returned. You > did bring up the legitimate complaint in your message about tobacco > crumbs, > which again noted, I'm now rolling on a sheet of paper and asking others > to > do the same. I responded to your list message agreeing that stuff > shouldn't > be stored on the table - especially on Tuesdays - and that was why I am > sure not to do so. And so yes, I find it quite 'disappointing' and > surprising that your latest message includes the words " he rejected my > request to clean up the table he had been treating like his living room". > At this point, I can't view this as reasonable behavior by someone > operating on unchecked assumptions, but intentional harassment. > > On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote: > > I am not there but I hear from Rayc that Steve Leach is causing problems >> by >> verbally attacking Rayc for moving a table in sudoroom. >> >> Steve is calling it "his" table. And wouldn't stop yelling at Rayc even >> when >> Max from Phat Beets asked him to stop interrupting their meeting (Rayc >> had >> taken the table to the 48th street doors sidewalk area) >> >> I had a disappointing interaction with Steve earlier this week when he >> rejected >> my request to clean up the table he had been treating like his living >> room, but >> I didn't realize that he also has a history of blowing up on people and >> disrupting meetings, and now verbally attacking my friend. >> >> I would like to ask Steve to take some time away from Omni and Sudoroom >> and/or >> engage in mediation with me, and probably also with Rayc who has been >> attacked >> in the past and doesn't deserve to be stressed out like this at Omni. >> >> -jake >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >