12 May
2013
12 May
'13
9:56 p.m.
I hear Rusty's complaint of cleanliness. and I want to speak in defense of
Oakland Nights Live. I didn't see you at Oakland Nights Live, so I imagine
you showed up after the event was over?
I saw them vacuum and pick up and vacuum the common area too a high level
of cleanliness. Maybe the front ground floor entry way was more dirty.
Rusty perhaps you could be more specific about what was wrong, because I
have a different understanding of their cleaning practices. Maybe it got
dirty inbetween when you saw it and when they cleaned it. If so then I feel
you are speculating on where the dirtiness came from.
Jenny, . I also didn't see you at ONL, and during the hour following. I
read that you sent an email to Oakland Nights Live with the phrasing "we
can no longer..." at some point. I feel upset that you did so because I
want messages claiming to be from sudo as "we" to be approved by all
sudoers before they're sent. I would like to request that you don't send
messages on behalf of sudo without consensus in the future.
Thanks,
Max
12 May
12 May
10:10 p.m.
New subject: Oakland Nights Live - Clean Up?
Sure, no problem,
Around 1:30AM:
1. Double doors by front entrance blocked with black furniture at around
this morning.
2. Pile of stuff next to vaccuum that wasn't cleaned by the double doors.
3. Plates and food on the ground near sudoroom doors.
4. Bottles/Cans left out.
5. Strong smell of cigarette smoke in stairs by my office to the point of
which it smelled like an ash tray.
6. Signs up everywhere downstairs still.
I snapped a few photos of some of the mess left, even though Romy/Jordan
cleaning up. Last time, George was yelling while the same people + Matt
were cleaning up.
My intention was to point out that there have been messes, and this was an
example. I'm not saying that nobody tried cleaning, but the results were
bad.
-Rusty
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Max Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I hear Rusty's complaint of cleanliness. and I
want to speak in defense
of Oakland Nights Live. I didn't see you at Oakland Nights Live, so I
imagine you showed up after the event was over?
I saw them vacuum and pick up and vacuum the common area too a high level
of cleanliness. Maybe the front ground floor entry way was more dirty.
Rusty perhaps you could be more specific about what was wrong, because I
have a different understanding of their cleaning practices. Maybe it got
dirty inbetween when you saw it and when they cleaned it. If so then I feel
you are speculating on where the dirtiness came from.
Jenny, . I also didn't see you at ONL, and during the hour following. I
read that you sent an email to Oakland Nights Live with the phrasing "we
can no longer..." at some point. I feel upset that you did so because I
want messages claiming to be from sudo as "we" to be approved by all
sudoers before they're sent. I would like to request that you don't send
messages on behalf of sudo without consensus in the future.
Thanks,
Max
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
--
Cheers,
Rusty Lindgren
**
10:32 p.m.
New subject: Oakland Nights Live - Clean Up?
I'll reply inline.
On 12 May 2013 22:10, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I also noticed they didn't take down some paper signs attached to the wall
with masking tape.
> I snapped a few photos of some of the mess
left, even though Romy/Jordan
> cleaning up.
I saw sudoers sitting there after ONL had left and had cleaned the common
area.
> Last time, George was yelling while the same people + Matt were cleaning
> up.
> My intention was to point out that there
have been messes, and this was an
> example. I'm not saying that nobody tried cleaning, but the results were
> bad.
I hear your frustration with cleanliness. I think that some people did try
cleaning, and later the space was made more messy, so not all the mess is
attributable to any one group in specific. Thanks for making us aware of
what can be done better, its really important we all work together on the
cleaning issue.
You're all awesome and competent critical humans (well
half-human-half-sudoers).
Max
> -Rusty
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Max Klein
<isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> I hear Rusty's complaint of
cleanliness. and I want to speak in
>> defense of Oakland Nights Live. I didn't see you at Oakland Nights Live, so
>> I imagine you showed up after the event was over?
>> I saw them vacuum and pick up and vacuum the common area too a high level
>> of cleanliness. Maybe the front ground floor entry way was more dirty.
>> Rusty perhaps you could be more specific about what was wrong, because I
>> have a different understanding of their cleaning practices. Maybe it got
>> dirty inbetween when you saw it and when they cleaned it. If so then I feel
>> you are speculating on where the dirtiness came from.
> >> Jenny, . I also didn't see you at
ONL, and during the hour following. I
>> read that you sent an email to Oakland Nights Live with the phrasing "we
>> can no longer..." at some point. I feel upset that you did so because I
>> want messages claiming to be from sudo as "we" to be approved by all
>> sudoers before they're sent. I would like to request that you don't
send
>> messages on behalf of sudo without consensus in the future.
> >> Thanks,
>> Max
> >>
_______________________________________________
>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> >
> --
> Cheers,
> Rusty Lindgren
> **
Sure, no problem,
Around 1:30AM:
I left at 10:45PM on Friday, and Oakland Nights live had finished cleaning
and were not in the building any more.
1. Double doors by front entrance blocked with black furniture at around
this morning.
That was not the state when I left, which was after ONL had left.
2. Pile of stuff next to vaccuum that wasn't cleaned by the double doors.
Are you talking about the entrance to Sudo? Was it the shop vac? Because we
didn't lend them our shop vac.
3. Plates and food on the ground near sudoroom doors.
That was not the state when I left, so I think this happened post 10:30 and
post-ONL.
4. Bottles/Cans left out.
I did not witness Bottles/Cans left in the common room.
5. Strong smell of cigarette smoke in stairs by my
office to the point of
which it smelled like an ash tray.
I did witness guests of ONL smoking outside the ground entrance doors.
Probably not 25 feet away.
6. Signs up everywhere downstairs still.
10:53 p.m.
New subject: Oakland Nights Live - Clean Up?
Hey Max,
Well, looks like a group fail, all the way around. My intention wasn't to
chastise and objectify that group, but make people aware of George and that
we are more "professional" or whatever term you would like to convey
rent-payers as a group.
Thanks for the kind words at the end.
-Rusty
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Max Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'll reply inline.
On 12 May 2013 22:10, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I also noticed they didn't take down some paper signs attached to the wall
with masking tape.
> I snapped a few photos of some of the
mess left, even though Romy/Jordan
> cleaning up.
I saw sudoers sitting there after ONL had left and had cleaned the common
area.
> Last time, George was yelling while the same people + Matt were cleaning
> up.
> My intention was to point out that
there have been messes, and this was
> an example. I'm not saying that nobody tried cleaning, but the results
> were bad.
I hear your frustration with cleanliness. I think that some people did try
cleaning, and later the space was made more messy, so not all the mess is
attributable to any one group in specific. Thanks for making us aware of
what can be done better, its really important we all work together on the
cleaning issue.
You're all awesome and competent critical humans (well
half-human-half-sudoers).
Max
> -Rusty
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Max
Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> I hear Rusty's complaint of
cleanliness. and I want to speak in
>> defense of Oakland Nights Live. I didn't see you at Oakland Nights Live, so
>> I imagine you showed up after the event was over?
>> I saw them vacuum and pick up and vacuum the common area too a high
>> level of cleanliness. Maybe the front ground floor entry way was more
>> dirty. Rusty perhaps you could be more specific about what was wrong,
>> because I have a different understanding of their cleaning practices. Maybe
>> it got dirty inbetween when you saw it and when they cleaned it. If so then
>> I feel you are speculating on where the dirtiness came from.
> >> Jenny, . I also didn't see
you at ONL, and during the hour following. I
>> read that you sent an email to Oakland Nights Live with the phrasing "we
>> can no longer..." at some point. I feel upset that you did so because I
>> want messages claiming to be from sudo as "we" to be approved by all
>> sudoers before they're sent. I would like to request that you don't
send
>> messages on behalf of sudo without consensus in the future.
> >> Thanks,
>> Max
> >>
_______________________________________________
>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > > --
> Cheers,
> Rusty Lindgren
> **
--
Cheers,
Rusty Lindgren
**
Sure, no problem,
Around 1:30AM:
I left at 10:45PM on Friday, and Oakland Nights live had finished cleaning
and were not in the building any more.
1. Double doors by front entrance blocked with black furniture at around
this morning.
That was not the state when I left, which was after ONL had left.
2. Pile of stuff next to vaccuum that wasn't cleaned by the double doors.
Are you talking about the entrance to Sudo? Was it the shop vac? Because
we didn't lend them our shop vac.
3. Plates and food on the ground near sudoroom doors.
That was not the state when I left, so I think this happened post 10:30
and post-ONL.
4. Bottles/Cans left out.
I did not witness Bottles/Cans left in the common room.
5. Strong smell of cigarette smoke in stairs by
my office to the point of
which it smelled like an ash tray.
I did witness guests of ONL smoking outside the ground entrance doors.
Probably not 25 feet away.
6. Signs up everywhere downstairs still.
11:26 p.m.
New subject: Oakland Nights Live - Clean Up?
YOs-
This still leaves an interesting puzzle to solve: who was around after
the event, who could have contributed to the post-event mess?
Re. "the smell of smoke," the smell of pot smoke that has been cause of
some bad relations with George, also appears to be coming from outside
the doors (not from people at SudoRoom smoking it inside). There were
people smoking pot outside on Wednesday night, the door was pegged open,
and the smoke got in and wafted upstairs as well. There are plenty of
well-lighted safe places outside to smoke (whatever), that aren't close
to the door: up or down the street a little, across the street, and in
the side street behind building.
Re. telling Oakland Nights Live that we can't host their event any
more: Agreed with Max, that should be discussed & decided by the group
at a regular meeting. Does anyone want to write to them and let them
know that the email was premature and we haven't made a group decision
yet? Also if this is going to be discussed on Wednesday night, it would
be good to invite them into that discussion.
-G.
=====
On 13-05-12-Sun 10:53 PM, rusty lindgren wrote:
Hey Max,
Well, looks like a group fail, all the way around. My intention
wasn't to chastise and objectify that group, but make people aware of
George and that we are more "professional" or whatever term you would
like to convey rent-payers as a group.
Thanks for the kind words at the end.
-Rusty
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Max Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com
<mailto:isalix@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'll reply inline.
On 12 May 2013 22:10, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com
<mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sure, no problem,
Around 1:30AM:
I left at 10:45PM on Friday, and Oakland Nights live had finished
cleaning and were not in the building any more.
1. Double doors by front entrance blocked with black furniture
at around this morning.
That was not the state when I left, which was after ONL had left.
2. Pile of stuff next to vaccuum that wasn't cleaned by the
double doors.
Are you talking about the entrance to Sudo? Was it the shop vac?
Because we didn't lend them our shop vac.
3. Plates and food on the ground near sudoroom doors.
That was not the state when I left, so I think this happened post
10:30 and post-ONL.
4. Bottles/Cans left out.
I did not witness Bottles/Cans left in the common room.
5. Strong smell of cigarette smoke in stairs by my office to
the point of which it smelled like an ash tray.
I did witness guests of ONL smoking outside the ground entrance
doors. Probably not 25 feet away.
6. Signs up everywhere downstairs still.
I also noticed they didn't take down some paper signs attached to
the wall with masking tape.
I snapped a few photos of some of the mess left, even though
Romy/Jordan cleaning up.
I saw sudoers sitting there after ONL had left and had cleaned the
common area.
Last time, George was yelling while the same people + Matt
were cleaning up.
My intention was to point out that there have been messes, and
this was an example. I'm not saying that nobody tried
cleaning, but the results were bad.
I hear your frustration with cleanliness. I think that some people
did try cleaning, and later the space was made more messy, so not
all the mess is attributable to any one group in specific. Thanks
for making us aware of what can be done better, its really
important we all work together on the cleaning issue.
You're all awesome and competent critical humans (well
half-human-half-sudoers).
Max
-Rusty
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Max Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com
<mailto:isalix@gmail.com>> wrote:
I hear Rusty's complaint of cleanliness. and I want to
speak in defense of Oakland Nights Live. I didn't see you
at Oakland Nights Live, so I imagine you showed up after
the event was over?
I saw them vacuum and pick up and vacuum the common area
too a high level of cleanliness. Maybe the front ground
floor entry way was more dirty. Rusty perhaps you could be
more specific about what was wrong, because I have a
different understanding of their cleaning practices. Maybe
it got dirty inbetween when you saw it and when they
cleaned it. If so then I feel you are speculating on where
the dirtiness came from.
Jenny, . I also didn't see you at ONL, and during the hour
following. I read that you sent an email to Oakland Nights
Live with the phrasing "we can no longer..." at some
point. I feel upset that you did so because I want
messages claiming to be from sudo as "we" to be approved
by all sudoers before they're sent. I would like to
request that you don't send messages on behalf of sudo
without consensus in the future.
Thanks,
Max
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
<mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
--
Cheers,
Rusty Lindgren
**
--
Cheers,
Rusty Lindgren
**
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
13 May
13 May
7:30 a.m.
New subject: Oakland Nights Live - Clean Up?
I was there after.
Responsibility
Oakland nights should be responsible for the people after the event and clear them out
since they brought them there. This is part of the responsibility of throwing the event
We had to do this when I was volunteering for art murmur at Rock Paper Scissors collective
You do not hold an event that large and attract that crowd then get absolved of all
responsibility as soon as the party is over.
Cleaning
Oakland nights should pay a hundred dollars for cleaning and shooing guests away.
Their skill set is not in cleaning . They should pay someone preferably a small local
business to do it . They made an effort but it was inadequate
It's fair to pay a cleaning professional and it will resolve most conflict
I think 99% of sudo room members do not have the skill set to get paid to clean so its
unwise to suggest we get paid to clean the space .
---
Romy Ilano
Founder of Snowyla
http://www.snowyla.com
romy(a)snowyla.com
On May 12, 2013, at 23:26, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01(a)att.net> wrote:
YOs-
This still leaves an interesting puzzle to solve: who was around after the event, who
could have contributed to the post-event mess?
Re. "the smell of smoke," the smell of pot smoke that has been cause of some
bad relations with George, also appears to be coming from outside the doors (not from
people at SudoRoom smoking it inside). There were people smoking pot outside on Wednesday
night, the door was pegged open, and the smoke got in and wafted upstairs as well. There
are plenty of well-lighted safe places outside to smoke (whatever), that aren't close
to the door: up or down the street a little, across the street, and in the side street
behind building.
Re. telling Oakland Nights Live that we can't host their event any more: Agreed with
Max, that should be discussed & decided by the group at a regular meeting. Does
anyone want to write to them and let them know that the email was premature and we
haven't made a group decision yet? Also if this is going to be discussed on
Wednesday night, it would be good to invite them into that discussion.
-G.
=====
On 13-05-12-Sun 10:53 PM, rusty lindgren wrote:
Hey Max,
Well, looks like a group fail, all the way around. My intention wasn't to chastise
and objectify that group, but make people aware of George and that we are more
"professional" or whatever term you would like to convey rent-payers as a group.
Thanks for the kind words at the end.
-Rusty
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Max Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss I'll reply inline.
On 12 May 2013 22:10, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
Cheers,
Rusty Lindgren
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss Sure, no problem,
Around 1:30AM:
I left at 10:45PM on Friday, and Oakland Nights live had finished cleaning and were not
in the building any more.
1. Double doors by front entrance blocked with black furniture at around this morning.
That was not the state when I left, which was after ONL had left.
2. Pile of stuff next to vaccuum that wasn't cleaned by the double doors.
Are you talking about the entrance to Sudo? Was it the shop vac? Because we didn't
lend them our shop vac.
3. Plates and food on the ground near sudoroom doors.
That was not the state when I left, so I think this happened post 10:30 and post-ONL.
4. Bottles/Cans left out.
I did not witness Bottles/Cans left in the common room.
5. Strong smell of cigarette smoke in stairs by
my office to the point of which it smelled like an ash tray.
I did witness guests of ONL smoking outside the ground entrance doors. Probably not 25
feet away.
6. Signs up everywhere downstairs still.
I also noticed they didn't take down some paper signs attached to the wall with
masking tape.
I snapped a few photos of some of the mess left, even though Romy/Jordan cleaning up.
I saw sudoers sitting there after ONL had left and had cleaned the common area.
Last time, George was yelling while the same
people + Matt were cleaning up.
My intention was to point out that there have been messes, and this was an example.
I'm not saying that nobody tried cleaning, but the results were bad.
I hear your frustration with cleanliness. I think that some people did try cleaning, and
later the space was made more messy, so not all the mess is attributable to any one group
in specific. Thanks for making us aware of what can be done better, its really important
we all work together on the cleaning issue.
You're all awesome and competent critical humans (well half-human-half-sudoers).
Max
>
> -Rusty
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Max Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> I hear Rusty's complaint of cleanliness. and I want to speak in defense of
Oakland Nights Live. I didn't see you at
Oakland Nights Live, so I imagine you showed up after the event was over?
>> I saw them vacuum and pick up and vacuum the common area too a high level of
cleanliness. Maybe the front ground floor entry way was more dirty. Rusty perhaps you
could be more specific about what was wrong, because I have a different understanding of
their cleaning practices. Maybe it got dirty inbetween when you saw it and when they
cleaned it. If so then I feel you are speculating on where the dirtiness came from.
>>
>> Jenny, . I also didn't see you at ONL, and during the hour following. I read
that you sent an email to Oakland Nights Live with the phrasing "we can no
longer..." at some point. I feel upset that you did so because I want messages
claiming to be from sudo as "we" to be approved by all sudoers before
they're sent. I would like to request that you don't send messages on behalf of
sudo without consensus in the future.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Max
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Rusty Lindgren
4022
days inactive
4022
days old
5 comments
4 participants
participants (4)
-
GtwoG PublicOhOne -
Max Klein -
Romy Ilano -
rusty lindgren