8 Nov
2014
8 Nov
'14
8:14 p.m.
Hi all,
The sean I am speaking of is not the awesome sean of Spaz fame here, but
the guy with dreads.
A lot of us have known him from around, for a while. I've seen him crashing
at various group houses and generally around since about 2006 going back to
Apgar days, if anyone remembers that house.
He says he is a sudoer, although I am not sure if he is or ain't. I suspect
he ain't.
I know Sean has cognitive difficulties, but after watching him dump about a
pint of coffee on the ground and simply refuse to take any time to clean it
up because he had 'other priorities', I am not happy to have him sharing
our space.
After Niki and I confronted him after much - much - haranguing, he
eventually got a mop and cleaned it up, yelling at me about some total
nonsequitur like how I should care more about Max from FNB being hurt than
him cleaning up his own mess (as it happens I drove Max to hospital the
other day right after that happened, but whatever.)
This is the second time I have had to confront sean about something like
this while I have barely been around this last month, but I suspect a lot
people don't engage with him when stuff like that happens, so I'm
guessing it probably happens frequently.
Since he identifies with sudo, I would like to ask Sean to come to a Sudo
meeting where he can can be informed as to the the general attitude of
respect towards the space and people in it. If anyone can mention this to
him or if you know his email?
I would like to ask that Sean be unwelcome here until he does come to a
sudo meeting. If he is not a sudoer but a guest of a sudoer, I would like
to know who will be responsible for dude when he is here, cleaning up after
him, etc.
I do not think sean is a bad person, just totally in his own
world really, and because of that self-centeredness, mental issues or not,
he is just uncaring about how he treats others and his environment. I can't
believe he expected others, on their hands and knees stocking the fridge
full of donated food, to clean up his own mess that he basically pored
right in front of them to kneel in. It's just not at all cool.
David
9 Nov
9 Nov
7:20 a.m.
New subject: space hackathon has left the building
i'm still running a few prints off before i leave and get some sleep,
but everyone that came down from berkeley had a really good time and we
cleaned up thoroughly for today's microduino event. the organizers were
impressed with our hospitality and the students really enjoyed the
concept of being free to pull things apart and repurpose them, for
example an old PSU chassis became a mars rover chassis! i'll come in
tomorrow or the next day to finish any trash processing that needs to
happen. there is lots of fresh produce and some snacks left over from
the event. i expect we'll get some of these folks coming back to visit
:)
cheers
13 Nov
13 Nov
5:27 a.m.
He is not on the list of members: https://sudoroom.org/crm/
Any member can check the list of members in the future, and if you forgot
your password you can reset it with your email address here:
https://sudoroom.org/crm/index.php?q=reset
// Matt
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:14 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
The sean I am speaking of is not the awesome sean of Spaz fame here, but
the guy with dreads.
A lot of us have known him from around, for a while. I've seen him
crashing at various group houses and generally around since about 2006
going back to Apgar days, if anyone remembers that house.
He says he is a sudoer, although I am not sure if he is or ain't. I
suspect he ain't.
I know Sean has cognitive difficulties, but after watching him dump about
a pint of coffee on the ground and simply refuse to take any time to clean
it up because he had 'other priorities', I am not happy to have him sharing
our space.
After Niki and I confronted him after much - much - haranguing, he
eventually got a mop and cleaned it up, yelling at me about some total
nonsequitur like how I should care more about Max from FNB being hurt than
him cleaning up his own mess (as it happens I drove Max to hospital the
other day right after that happened, but whatever.)
This is the second time I have had to confront sean about something like
this while I have barely been around this last month, but I suspect a lot
people don't engage with him when stuff like that happens, so I'm
guessing it probably happens frequently.
Since he identifies with sudo, I would like to ask Sean to come to a Sudo
meeting where he can can be informed as to the the general attitude of
respect towards the space and people in it. If anyone can mention this to
him or if you know his email?
I would like to ask that Sean be unwelcome here until he does come to a
sudo meeting. If he is not a sudoer but a guest of a sudoer, I would like
to know who will be responsible for dude when he is here, cleaning up after
him, etc.
I do not think sean is a bad person, just totally in his own
world really, and because of that self-centeredness, mental issues or not,
he is just uncaring about how he treats others and his environment. I can't
believe he expected others, on their hands and knees stocking the fridge
full of donated food, to clean up his own mess that he basically pored
right in front of them to kneel in. It's just not at all cool.
David
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11:03 a.m.
Hi David,
This person is not a sudoer (and I don't think I've met him), but you are!
And as such, empowered to ask anyone to leave at any time, for any reason,
and they must stay away for 12 hours unless another member vouches for them.
Perhaps sudo or the 'how we organize' wg should propose that Omni also
adopt the following:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Article_5._Empowerment_of…
Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://thepyre.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:27 AM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
He is not on the list of members:
https://sudoroom.org/crm/
Any member can check the list of members in the future, and if you forgot
your password you can reset it with your email address here:
https://sudoroom.org/crm/index.php?q=reset
// Matt
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:14 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
The sean I am speaking of is not the awesome sean of Spaz fame here, but
the guy with dreads.
A lot of us have known him from around, for a while. I've seen him
crashing at various group houses and generally around since about 2006
going back to Apgar days, if anyone remembers that house.
He says he is a sudoer, although I am not sure if he is or ain't. I
suspect he ain't.
I know Sean has cognitive difficulties, but after watching him dump about
a pint of coffee on the ground and simply refuse to take any time to clean
it up because he had 'other priorities', I am not happy to have him sharing
our space.
After Niki and I confronted him after much - much - haranguing, he
eventually got a mop and cleaned it up, yelling at me about some total
nonsequitur like how I should care more about Max from FNB being hurt than
him cleaning up his own mess (as it happens I drove Max to hospital the
other day right after that happened, but whatever.)
This is the second time I have had to confront sean about something like
this while I have barely been around this last month, but I suspect a lot
people don't engage with him when stuff like that happens, so I'm
guessing it probably happens frequently.
Since he identifies with sudo, I would like to ask Sean to come to a Sudo
meeting where he can can be informed as to the the general attitude of
respect towards the space and people in it. If anyone can mention this to
him or if you know his email?
I would like to ask that Sean be unwelcome here until he does come to a
sudo meeting. If he is not a sudoer but a guest of a sudoer, I would like
to know who will be responsible for dude when he is here, cleaning up after
him, etc.
I do not think sean is a bad person, just totally in his own
world really, and because of that self-centeredness, mental issues or not,
he is just uncaring about how he treats others and his environment. I can't
believe he expected others, on their hands and knees stocking the fridge
full of donated food, to clean up his own mess that he basically pored
right in front of them to kneel in. It's just not at all cool.
David
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12:37 p.m.
Kay, thanks jenny!
I figured he was not an official sudoer, but I didn't know who at sudo may
know him better informally, and who may have a better relationship with him
to communicate more effectively with the guy than I could. Matt suggested
Patrick - I just wanted there to be a chance for someone to speak up for
him or perhaps offer some explanation for him outside of what I could
fathom or talk to him themselves -
FWIW, at the time, I did ask him to leave.. and if he comes back, I'll do
the same.
rock n roll
David
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi David,
This person is not a sudoer (and I don't think I've met him), but you are!
And as such, empowered to ask anyone to leave at any time, for any reason,
and they must stay away for 12 hours unless another member vouches for them.
Perhaps sudo or the 'how we organize' wg should propose that Omni also
adopt the following:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Article_5._Empowerment_of…
Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://thepyre.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:27 AM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
He is not on the list of members:
https://sudoroom.org/crm/
Any member can check the list of members in the future, and if you forgot
your password you can reset it with your email address here:
https://sudoroom.org/crm/index.php?q=reset
// Matt
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:14 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
The sean I am speaking of is not the awesome sean of Spaz fame here, but
the guy with dreads.
A lot of us have known him from around, for a while. I've seen him
crashing at various group houses and generally around since about 2006
going back to Apgar days, if anyone remembers that house.
He says he is a sudoer, although I am not sure if he is or ain't. I
suspect he ain't.
I know Sean has cognitive difficulties, but after watching him dump
about a pint of coffee on the ground and simply refuse to take any time
to clean it up because he had 'other priorities', I am not happy to have
him sharing our space.
After Niki and I confronted him after much - much - haranguing, he
eventually got a mop and cleaned it up, yelling at me about some total
nonsequitur like how I should care more about Max from FNB being hurt than
him cleaning up his own mess (as it happens I drove Max to hospital the
other day right after that happened, but whatever.)
This is the second time I have had to confront sean about something like
this while I have barely been around this last month, but I suspect a lot
people don't engage with him when stuff like that happens, so I'm
guessing it probably happens frequently.
Since he identifies with sudo, I would like to ask Sean to come to a
Sudo meeting where he can can be informed as to the the general attitude of
respect towards the space and people in it. If anyone can mention this to
him or if you know his email?
I would like to ask that Sean be unwelcome here until he does come to a
sudo meeting. If he is not a sudoer but a guest of a sudoer, I would like
to know who will be responsible for dude when he is here, cleaning up after
him, etc.
I do not think sean is a bad person, just totally in his own
world really, and because of that self-centeredness, mental issues or not,
he is just uncaring about how he treats others and his environment. I can't
believe he expected others, on their hands and knees stocking the fridge
full of donated food, to clean up his own mess that he basically pored
right in front of them to kneel in. It's just not at all cool.
David
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