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Announcing Panorama theme for August 20 hardware hack night

by Romy Ilano

https://sudoroom.org/events/hardware-hack-night-2024-08-20/ THIS WEEK’S THEME: THE WONDER OF PANORAMAS - Sign up at https://lu.ma/z11o2ctd Panoramas have enchanted people since the dawn of humankind, with people painting 360 landscapes in caves to give the illusions of a “virtual reality.” Panoramas have existed as theme park-style wonders back to Shakespearan and Victorian times, allowing people to experience the wonder of visiting far-off lands (When Thomas Cole Caught ‘Panoramania’ at the Met <https://www.metmuseum.org/articles/thomas-cole-panorama>). THE PANORAMA AT THE LASCAUX CAVE IN FRANCE The theme for tonight’s SudoRoom will be panoramas in physical form through paintings and a trip through time to see their use in children’s toys, on light projections, tv screens and onward to modern augmented and virtual reality! Outside of that you can also do anything and everything! Solder, sew, and more HACK ON ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING <https://sudoroom.org/hardware-hack-night/> ○ *Projects:* can range from building course materials for teaching local kids electronics to a robotic arm that draws, to light projection art, to people building their own microchip boards! We provide the space, tools and peer learning – you bring your project and enthusiasm! *○ Group Sewing:* Learn to do simple mending or get help with technical fabric and textile projects. In addition to regular machines our Sewing Lab features heavy-duty industrial sewing machines and sergers. Our in house sewing guru CC has worked for Academy or Art College, Tesla, SuitX, and Zipline and has vast sewing machine repair and maintenance experience; bring your own machine to tune up for tip-top operation and sew alongside others. *○ General Repair:* Fix it Clinic’s weekly Oakland residency: bring your broken, non-functioning things – electronic gadgets, appliances, computers, toys, sewing machines, fabric items, etc.– for assessment, disassembly, and possible repair. We’ll provide workspace, specialty tools, and guidance to help you disassemble and troubleshoot your item. First-time repairers and “Fixing Families” are heartily invited. Learn more at https://www.fixitclinic.org/ https://sudoroom.org/wiki/HardwareHackNight [image: hardware hack night]PEOPLE USING THEIR HANDS TO MAKE ALL SORTS OF FUN STUFF ============================= Romy Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com

1 year, 2 months

Re: we are low on lead solder

by Kent Leech

63/37 is great to work with! My fave, but 60/40 works well too. I¹ll ask the folks at the radio museum; they might have a spare roll of 60/40. -Kent ----- Kent Leech Illustration http://www.kentleech.com kent(a)kentleech.com +1 (510) 504-0634 -- From: Mitch Altman via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> Reply-To: Mitch Altman <maltman23(a)hotmail.com> Date: Fri, August 9, 2024 at 1:56 AM To: Jake Watters via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org>, Jake Watters <typeinthenumber(a)gmail.com> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Re: we are low on lead solder > For what it's worth, my favorite solder is also: 63/37 (Pb/Sn) rosin core > 0.02" diameter. 60/40 is also nice. But, after years of searching, I found a > lead-free solder which both works well, and which has fumes that don't hurt my > (very sensitive lungs): > Chip Quik WW100Ge.020 1LB > This is available at both Mouser.com and Digikey.com . > > Its composition: Sn/Cu0.7/Ni0.05/Ge0.006 (called "Germanium doped"). > > I still like solder with lead more, but, this germanium doped solder is quite > good! > > Cheers, > Mitch > > > > > > > From: Jake Watters via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> > Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2024 23:58 > To: SudoRoom <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> > Subject: [sudo-discuss] we are low on lead solder > > lead free solder sucks! and we are pretty low on non-lead-free solder. > > If anyone has extra rolls of regular lead solder (often labeled "rosin core" > or Pb 63) and you want to store it at sudoroom, it will help. > > people new to solder often get frustrated when they don't realize they're > trying to use lead-free solder, which sucks. Also the flux is toxic compared > to the literal pine sap that's in regular solder. > > -jake > _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list -- > sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org To unsubscribe send an email to > sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org More options at > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/

1 year, 2 months

New blog posts from sudoroom this week: Octavia Butler clip, august hack moments, and whiteboarding rust & Swift

by Romy Ilano

* Early aguust hardware hack night moments https://sudoroom.org/early-august-hardware-hack-night-moments/ Great clip from Octavia butler - https://sudoroom.org/inspiration-from-goat-octavia-butler/ Whiteboarding at swift & Rust women's night - https://sudoroom.org/rust-swift-whiteboarding-women-non-binary-night/ ============================= Romy Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com

1 year, 2 months

we are low on lead solder

by Jake Watters

lead free solder sucks! and we are pretty low on non-lead-free solder. If anyone has extra rolls of regular lead solder (often labeled "rosin core" or Pb 63) and you want to store it at sudoroom, it will help. people new to solder often get frustrated when they don't realize they're trying to use lead-free solder, which sucks. Also the flux is toxic compared to the literal pine sap that's in regular solder. -jake

1 year, 2 months

An idea - 💡 why is SudoRoom unique in this place and time and history and how has it uniquely impacted you?

by Romy Ilano

An idea - 💡 why is SudoRoom unique in this place and time and history and how has it uniquely impacted you? Thinking of a series of blog posts with people (we can use anonymous pseudonyms) There is nothing like SudoRoom and no place on the world that is like Oakland. We are the most original city in the United States 🇺🇸 If we express that it will also segue nicely into the unique projects we’ve made. I don’t think our mix of Brains and creativity can be found in quite the same way on another hackerspace !

1 year, 2 months

Missed Opportunities: Reaching out to the arts - Adding SudoRoom to arts-focused community lists + visiting Museums

by Romy Ilano

I have been adding sudoRoom events to the Decentered Arts list - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1eX21lRIMOl3LLUhanRptk0jWbKoyZJV… It's a great place, and there are artists hanging out and doing slide shows of their art in people's homes. I think a missed opportunity that I could have done better on is reaching out to people in the arts who need a place to work and play. Artist are natural hackers. We do have a large ballroom, ideal places for weekly meetups of slides and artist stuff. And artists often build stuff with robots and explore areas like agumetnd reality. *We should always focus on what makes us special* if we only focus on "hackers" and biotech we have stiff competition, as Noisebridge is more well-funded and has more active nights (we love them though) Also, as Peter explained to me, UC Berkeley and Laney nowadays have extremely clean and well-equipped makerspace labs, and of course stuff is closer on campus. Due to gentrification we have also lost a large contingent of cool happy go lucky artsy mathematician and computer science types, and we're not in downtown Oakland. But the arts scene is pretty big in Oakland, and artists are hackers! I could have done better on this! ============================= Romy Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com

1 year, 2 months

Fwd: Calling All Sports Fans 🏀

by Romy Ilano

============================= Romy Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: SFMOMA <membership(a)sfmoma.org> Date: Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 12:22 PM Subject: Calling All Sports Fans 🏀 To: Romy Ilano <romy(a)snowyla.com> Show us your fan-made artwork! ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ [image: SFMOMA Members] <https://sfmoma.prospect2.com/lt.php?x=3DZy~GE7JIOe5Hz6-N9NVOhtAXQiiQTylxY2k…> <https://sfmoma.prospect2.com/lt.php?x=3DZy~GE7JIOe5Hz6-N9NVOhtAXQiiQTylxY2k…> *Bring Your Fan Art to Share and Display!* All artworks will be displayed on Sunday, September 1 As we soak in the spectacular feats we've been watching during the Paris 2024 Olympics (Go Simone Biles!), SFMOMA is gearing up for our many sports-related fall exhibitions. 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1 year, 2 months

Next week's theme (though you can hack on whatever you want on Tuesday) - Octavia Butler, AI & print zines!

by Romy Ilano

https://lu.ma/qk1nn0m7 https://sudoroom.org/events/hardware-hack-night-2024-08-13/ HARDWARE HACK NIGHT! THEME: OCTAVIA BUTLER OCTAVIA BUTLER IS OUR THEME ON THIS HARDWARE HACK NIGHT AS WE MIX AI, PRINT MAGAZINES, AND MORE! *This week’s theme:* Print is hardware too! And what better muse can we imagine than *Octavia Butler,* science fiction Goddess. We’ll have a pre-hardware hack night presentation on creative ways to mix print with electronics, use artificial intelligence in the most open source and ethical way, and work on our SudoRoom print zine! Throw in some 3D models into the mix too! *e are inside the Omni Commons at 48th and Shattuck, see the link at the end of this text to call in in case the doors are locked!* ○ *Projects:* can range from building course materials for teaching local kids electronics to a robotic arm that draws, to light projection art, to people building their own microchip boards! We provide the space, tools and peer learning – you bring your project and enthusiasm! *○ Group Sewing:* Learn to do simple mending or get help with technical fabric and textile projects. In addition to regular machines our Sewing Lab features heavy-duty industrial sewing machines and sergers. Our in house sewing guru CC has worked for Academy or Art College, Tesla, SuitX, and Zipline and has vast sewing machine repair and maintenance experience; bring your own machine to tune up for tip-top operation and sew alongside others. *○ General Repair:* Fix it Clinic’s weekly Oakland residency: bring your broken, non-functioning things – electronic gadgets, appliances, computers, toys, sewing machines, fabric items, etc.– for assessment, disassembly, and possible repair. We’ll provide workspace, specialty tools, and guidance to help you disassemble and troubleshoot your item. First-time repairers and “Fixing Families” are heartily invited. Learn more at https://www.fixitclinic.org/ https://sudoroom.org/wiki/HardwareHackNight ============================= Romy Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com

1 year, 2 months

Zoom Meeting 6PM Tonight with CAST

by Peter Mui

Hi Sudoers: There are a couple of efforts in progress to try to stave off foreclosure but things are day-to-day at this point: to get an up-to-the minute info on the latest status you’re welcome to attend a Zoom Meeting 6PM Tonight with Shreya from CAST. Please email me back directly for the Zoom link ASAP, certainly before 6PM. Sincerely, -Peter

1 year, 3 months

Sudoroom meeting tonight

by Jake Watters

Let's have a sudoroom meeting tonight at 7pm Lots of stuff to talk about! Unfortunately our delegate William is not available but we can take notes

1 year, 3 months

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