Thanks so much for disambiguating! With this additional knowledge, I'm
happy to be removed from the agenda again.
On 12/9/2013 10:14 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote:
> This is not a sudo room vs Timon conflict - it's a George vs. Timon
> conflict. Having been in the space last night, I can report that
> Matt's call to George was simply a followup to Friday's conversation,
> in which George had told Matt that Timon had been kicked out of the
> building and that he couldn't be in the sudo space. Matt told Timon as
> much, and that his being in the space could jeapordize our lease, and
> Timon peaceably agreed to stay out of sudo room.
>
> Matt followed up with George to say that while we could border the
> boundaries of sudo room proper, and that Timon had agreed to stay out
> of sudo room, we couldn't control who had access to the common space
> (and that Timon was currently in the common space - but he didn't say
> anything about him bothering anyone). At that point, George asked Matt
> to call the police. Matt refused, saying this was an issue between
> George and Timon, and that it was completely out of line to put us
> (sudo room) in the middle of a landlord-tenant conflict. He also asked
> George not to give the police his number.
>
> About 15 minutes later, Matt received a call from the police on behalf
> of Sonitrol (the building's security contractors - George put Matt's
> number as primary point-of-contact several months ago, despite
> numerous requests for him not to). I was also in the room for this
> conversation, and Matt's response was essentially, "This is not our
> issue. The landlord has kicked a tenant out of the building and it's
> between them." Matt answered their questions to the extent of
> supplying them with some descriptive characteristics (name and
> height), but did not provide anything further (no personal complaints
> or allegations). After the call, another sudoer present informed Timon
> that the police had been called by George, and Timon left the common
> space. All present in sudo room at the time were uncomfortable about
> the police being invoked, and none of us would willingly bring them
> into our space regarding a nonviolent interpersonal conflict (had that
> even been the case).
>
> Sudo Room has a conflict resolution process for dealing with conflicts
> in the community that was written in large part by Matt himself.
> However, we have a contractual obligation to our landlord that makes
> this particular situation complicated (as we do not own the building
> and have no jurisdiction over the landlord's decisions). Had Timon
> actually been bothering people in the space at that time, Matt would
> have either talked to him directly or requested mediation by another
> sudoer. Hopefully this is an unintentional miscommunication between
> George and Laurie, but it seems they are trying to put sudo room in
> the middle of their conflict with Timon.
>
> Hoping this clarifies things so we can spend more time on Wednesday
> investigating our new potential spaces rather than a conflict that is
> not, in fact, between Sudo Room and Timon.
>
> Jenny
> http://jennyryan.net <http://jennyryan.net/>
> http://thepyre.org <http://thepyre.org/>
> http://thevirtualcampfire.org <http://thevirtualcampfire.org/>
> http://technomadic.tumblr.com <http://technomadic.tumblr.com/>
>
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> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
> -Laurie Anderson
>
> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
> it."
> -Hannah Arendt
>
> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
> -Stéphane Mallarmé
> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Timon <timondocent(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:timondocent@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Since I'll be at the meeting, that will be a convenient time to
> have me arrested, if anyone wishes.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: Expulsion from common area
> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 00:08:53 -0800
> From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net>
> <mailto:Lscoop@comcast.net>
> To: 'Timon' <timondocent(a)gmail.com> <mailto:timondocent@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> p.s. the police came, but we thought it had been cancelled. They were
> called because Matt said that you were bothering people, not because George
> said that you can't be in there. Matt called us, we didn't call him.
> Neither George nor I was privy to what led up to his call. Sonitrol called
> the police and gave them Matt's #. The Police called Matt and Matt said
> that you had left the room and that they didn't need to come, so we thought
> it was done. An hour later we got a call from Matt; they showed up anyway
> and George had to run down there. Not what we wanted on a Sunday eve.
> L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timon [mailto:timondocent@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:54 PM
> To: Laurie Cooperman Rosen
> Subject: Expulsion from common area
>
> On Friday night after we talked (sometime after 6:15PM, when he'd required
> me to take his appointment), or perhaps between when I made my Monday
> appointment with you yesterday (Saturday) afternoon and when I got back from
> my volunteer/internship gig at about 6pm, George seems to have decided my
> alleged "second chance" (as in "everyone deserves a second chance") was
> retroactively canceled, and told people I was "not allowed" in the building.
>
> After Sudo (Matt) asked me yesterday -- because of some direct communication
> from George I do not know about (between 1:45PM and 6ish
> PM) not to be in the Sudo room part of the common area yesterday night, and
> out of respect for not wanting to put sudo room (the group: my friends and
> colleagues, acquaintances and primary social millieu and
> support) in a difficult place, I retrieved a few possessions and donations
> and then left both sudo room's room and their common area section, and have
> not returned, as I told everyone I would not.
>
> Tonight, as I was peacefully eating my dinner and listening to a good
> physics and game-theory lecture/conversation from OUTSIDE of the Sudo area
> today, Matt handed me a phone, and said it was George. (I told George I was
> recording it, mid-call, and he did not voice objection).
>
> Per George, Matt had asked that I be required to leave. After George hung up
> on me, saying he'd called the cops and would not "repeat himself " as I
> asked for clarification, I found out the request didn't come from George.
>
> I will not be in the common area, unless invited by The Public School, until
> we talk. I doubt I would even if so invited, out of respect for anyone else
> who should be spared this drama.
>
> Feel free to cancel the call to the cops or not, as you see fit.
>
> -Timon
>
>
>
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>
Since I'll be at the meeting, that will be a convenient time to have me
arrested, if anyone wishes.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Expulsion from common area
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 00:08:53 -0800
From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net>
To: 'Timon' <timondocent(a)gmail.com>
p.s. the police came, but we thought it had been cancelled. They were
called because Matt said that you were bothering people, not because George
said that you can't be in there. Matt called us, we didn't call him.
Neither George nor I was privy to what led up to his call. Sonitrol called
the police and gave them Matt's #. The Police called Matt and Matt said
that you had left the room and that they didn't need to come, so we thought
it was done. An hour later we got a call from Matt; they showed up anyway
and George had to run down there. Not what we wanted on a Sunday eve.
L
-----Original Message-----
From: Timon [mailto:timondocent@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:54 PM
To: Laurie Cooperman Rosen
Subject: Expulsion from common area
On Friday night after we talked (sometime after 6:15PM, when he'd required
me to take his appointment), or perhaps between when I made my Monday
appointment with you yesterday (Saturday) afternoon and when I got back from
my volunteer/internship gig at about 6pm, George seems to have decided my
alleged "second chance" (as in "everyone deserves a second chance") was
retroactively canceled, and told people I was "not allowed" in the building.
After Sudo (Matt) asked me yesterday -- because of some direct communication
from George I do not know about (between 1:45PM and 6ish
PM) not to be in the Sudo room part of the common area yesterday night, and
out of respect for not wanting to put sudo room (the group: my friends and
colleagues, acquaintances and primary social millieu and
support) in a difficult place, I retrieved a few possessions and donations
and then left both sudo room's room and their common area section, and have
not returned, as I told everyone I would not.
Tonight, as I was peacefully eating my dinner and listening to a good
physics and game-theory lecture/conversation from OUTSIDE of the Sudo area
today, Matt handed me a phone, and said it was George. (I told George I was
recording it, mid-call, and he did not voice objection).
Per George, Matt had asked that I be required to leave. After George hung up
on me, saying he'd called the cops and would not "repeat himself " as I
asked for clarification, I found out the request didn't come from George.
I will not be in the common area, unless invited by The Public School, until
we talk. I doubt I would even if so invited, out of respect for anyone else
who should be spared this drama.
Feel free to cancel the call to the cops or not, as you see fit.
-Timon
Hey all,
This email came in, we weren't sure what to do, discussed at the meeting
that we'd forward to the discuss list to see if anyone wanted to follow up
about this. From the minutes:
"**we'll forward to sudo-discuss, any interested individual sudoer is free
to invite them as a guest on the calendar, but we will be very clear that
our org is not endorsing theirs"
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kendra Desler <kendra(a)fwd.us>
Date: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:50 PM
Subject: [!SUDO-INFO!] Event with FWD
To: info(a)sudoroom.org
Hey Sudoroom!
My name is Kendra Desler, and I am an Organizing Fellow with FWD.us. We are
a nonprofit advocacy organization working with the tech community to move
the knowledge economy forward through immigration reform.
I was wondering if Sudoroom would be interested in having FWD.us host a
mixer event at your office space in hopes of meeting your members and
sharing about how immigration reform affects the tech community. We often
host happy hour type events during the late afternoon; however, we are
flexible, and can host something more common to the your office culture
(brunch, sandwich lunch, etc). We will provide all food, beverages and
other amenities. Would you be open to exploring the possibility of having
us host such an event? I look forward to hearing from you!
Best,
Kendra
FWD.us
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hey goth rockers
there is great wifi at the DNA Lounge.
Anyone want to join me tonight in some dancing? I would love to talk about
any noisebridge projects, chill with fine folks.
http://www.dnalounge.com/flyers/2012/08/27.html
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Hey all,
I received word from George our landlord that Timon is banned from the property. His presence in sudo room jeopardizes our lease, and therefore he is not welcome. This has been communicated to Timon, and some other sudoers who were around this weekend are aware as well.
// Matt
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Patrick Schmidt
<psbschmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> Is the rent really $345 or is it $1345?
Those numbers are per-week. To convert monthly to weekly costs, e.g.
our $1500 rent, do this: 1500*7*12/365.25 = 344.97
Hey sudo! This afternoon starting at 3pm:
Short documentary screening: “The Battle for Oscar Grant Plaza” by Jacob
Crawford and co-produced by Dave Id, Indybay.org. The documentary shows how
the City of Oakland and its Police tried to shut down the budding “Occupy
Wall Street” movement, turning downtown Oakland into a teargas filled war
zone and injuring numerous people. Police video obtained in discovery in
the National Lawyers Guild’s successful lawsuit and interviews with
activists and journalists about their experiences, tell the real story of
the disastrous Fall 2011 police actions that pushed the troubled OPD to the
brink of federal receivership.
Documentary (in it’s current state) is 25 minutes and will start around
3:15. Expect light refreshments and intellectual discourse! We’re
interested in sparking conversation around police accountability in the
Oakland area and beyond. If you have any interest in direct involvement
with OPD accountability (especially if you are a coder!), you won’t want to
miss this!
The producers and some plaintiffs (including Scott Olsen) will be present
to answer any questions.
Jacob Crawford is a long time Copwatcher based out of the Bay Area in
California. He joined Berkeley Copwatch
<http://www.berkeleycopwatch.org/>in 2000 and produced the first ever
“in the streets” non-dramatized know
your rights video “These Streets Are Watching”. He currently is running
WeCopwatch.org <http://wecopwatch.org> with other Copwatchers and has been
a contributor for CopBlock.org <http://copblock.org> for several years.
----------
Jenny
http://jennyryan.nethttp://thepyre.orghttp://thevirtualcampfire.orghttp://technomadic.tumblr.com
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"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
Hey all,
I will be out of town for the next meeting of the Timelist Group at sudo
room: https://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/2183/?instance_id=75199
Is anyone available to be a point-person, help the organizers with hosting,
and ensure everything is cleaned up at the end?
Thanks,
Matt