>Or should we wear pistols in holsters and hope that visible deterrence is worth a damn against hardened criminals who might be cranked up on meth?
open carry is now illegal in the state of california, but I hear more concealed carry permits are being issued by alameda county sheriffs due to reduced local PD staff, should you choose to go that route.
also, reactionary ranting is usually not worth reading. might want to reconsider whether generating these text walls is the best use of your time as more and more people skip over them.
i MEAN what i've SAID here btw ;) it really is baffling to me that anyone would use so much of their time this way.
cheers,
hol
Dec 2, 2013 08:13:26 PM, g2g-public01(a)att.net wrote:
>
>
ChrisBee: What you SAID was this:
>
>
"Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions
about this based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to
such-and-such area" I think "Wow, if that isn't
privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I don't know what is."
Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying."
>
>
So if what you SAID is not what you MEANT, now's your chance to
un-SAY it.
>
>
As my friends around here know, my safety-sense is calibrated to
err on the side of false-positives, and on that particular
occasion I got a false-negative, with the result that I and the
person I was with got held up at gunpoint. The gal who was
physically assaulted and robbed of her tablet was sitting in front
of DeLauer's, and three assailants were involved. The guy who got
his windows smashed (twice) was parked outside SR.
>
>
So: How much paranoia is justified, or should we get
concealed-carry permits and shoot any random JoeBob who approaches
us on the streets at night? Or should we wear pistols in holsters
and hope that visible deterrence is worth a damn against hardened
criminals who might be cranked up on meth?
>
>
The fact that you've been robbed, you've had friends who've been
robbed, and had a couple of friends die (presumably shot) (someone
I knew also died from a gang shooting) should, if anything,
disabuse you of the attitude that "being aware of your
surroundings" is sufficient to avoid an early meet-up with the
Grim Reaper.
>
>
But instead you come up with this in your latest missive:
"[don't'] assume everything is going to be fine if, say, you
decide to send some drunk texts while walking through Ghost Town
at 3 am."
>
>
Excuse me but I've never been drunk in my life, and I don't even
own a cellphone (I get all the surveillance I want for my taxpayer
dollars, why pay another $600/year for even more?). The guy I was
with wasn't drunk or texting either. The gal who got assaulted
and robbed wasn't drunk; she was reading on her tablet, but it was
at a bus stop in a brightly lit area with lots of people coming
& going. The guy whose car windows got smashed: hmm, should
his car have been more paranoid?, or should his car get a
concealed-carry permit?
>
>
In point of fact some parts of Oakland ARE safer than others.
Look up the crime maps and see for yourself. Whether, on balance,
SR should locate in whatever-neighborhood depends on a lot of
things including affordable space and access to public transport,
and I'm not opposed to taking calculated risks or making
tradeoffs. But there's a world of difference between _that_ and a
smug callous attitude toward other people's safety and other
peoples' lives.
>
>
As for keeping the personal attacks out of it, you bloody well
fired the first shot, or rather, tossed a big honking hand-grenade
of a personal attack with your line about
"privilege/entitlement/self-absorption." So don't be surprised at
the blowback.
>
>
-G.
>
>
>
=====
>
>
>
>
On 13-12-02-Mon 7:17 PM, Chris Bee
wrote:
>
>
What I meant was that if you spend any amount of time in
Oakland it behooves you to be aware of your surroundings and
not assume everything is going to be fine if, say, you
decide to send some drunk texts while walking through Ghost
Town at 3 am. I realize that not every "I got robbed in
Oakland" story starts like this but you'd be surprised at
how many do.
>
>
BTW I am not the douchebag you seem to think I am. I've
been robbed (in Temescal no less), had close friends robbed,
even had a couple friends die as a result of shit like this
so it's something I'm pretty familiar with. I'm not saying
what I'm saying lightly, I'm saying this because I don't
want sudoers to think that one part of Oakland is
necessarily safer or less safe than another part. So let's
keep the personal attacks out of it, it's a shitty thing to
go through but we shouldn't take shots at each other.
>
>
-chrisbee
>
>
>
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:54 PM, GtwoG
PublicOhOne g2g-public01(a)att.net>
wrote:
>
>
>
Re. Sonja:
>
>
Exactly what I've done: not gone back to SudoRoom after
having had a gun pointed at my guts right in the
doorway. Chances are at least one person reading this
is pleased with that outcome, but at least four I know
aren't.
>
>
Re. ChrisBee:
>
>
Right, blame the fucking victims, three or four of us
that I know of who've been robbed, assaulted, or had car
windows smashed and stuff stolen coming & going from
SR or parked nearby, and possibly one or two I missed.
>
>
Let's see, where have we heard your line of bullshit
before?... she shouldn't have been wearing those clothes
either...? I take it you agree with that too.
>
>
I'll quote you directly for what comes next, just so the
context of my reply is clear:
>
>
"Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read
discussions about this based around "how safe is
so-and-so compared to such-and-such area" I think
"Wow, if that isn't
privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I don't
know what is." Not saying that any of you are, but I'm
just saying."
>
>
So it's "privilege/entitlement/self-absorption" to value
being in a safe location where you're less likely to be
subjected to violence on the street? I'm going to say
something to you that I haven't said to anyone in a damn
long time: Go fuck yourself.
>
>
-G.
>
>
>
=====
>
>
>
On 13-12-02-Mon 6:02 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
>
>
Yeah but what if taking
responsibility for your safety means not going
where you've been robbed before?
>
>
On Monday, December 2, 2013, Chris Bee wrote:
>
>
(shakes head, sighs)
>
>
I've said it before and I'll say it
again...in most cases, putting the onus of
personal safety on a neighborhood is
totally missing the point that YOU ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY, full
stop. Saying that you are (relatively)
more or less safe depending on where you
are is...is...well, it's wrong thinking on
so many levels that I don't even know
where to begin.
>
>
Feel free to disagree with me, but when I
hear/read discussions about this based
around "how safe is so-and-so compared to
such-and-such area" I think "Wow, if that
isn't privilege/entitlement/self-absorption
then I don't know what is." Not saying that
any of you are, but I'm just saying. I like
and respect my sudo peoples...a lot. That's
why I'm pointing this out. I don't want
anyone to be lulled into a false sense of
security/anxiety by thinking that just
because you're in one area bad shit is less
prone to happen to you, or vice versa. It's
on all of us to be aware of what's going on
around us and to be prepared to deal with
whatever situations may come our way, alone
or otherwise. Good Samaritans
notwithstanding, the cops are...well, the
odds of them being there when you "need"
them (I personally don't) are next to nil,
and they only seem to make things
complicated after the fact.
>
>
What we should be focused on is locating
an affordable space that meets the needs of
BAPS/sudo/CCL.
>
>
Sorry if I seem a little impatient but
I've seen too many important discussions get
derailed like this, and right now I think
this is pretty high on our list of immediate
concerns.
>
>
And again, If anyone wants to straighten
me out on this issue I'm all ears/eyes.
>
>
Respectfully,
>
>
-chrisbee
>
>
>
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Sonja
Trauss sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Oh man I'm I
total idiot, I just realized where 8th
and Alice is - I saw "8th st" and "near
BART" and thought you were talking about
w Oakland BART.
>
>
On Tuesday, November 26, 2013,
Pete Forsyth wrote:
>
>
Sonja, given
that -- as you say -- West
Oakland is "pretty mixed"
racially and culturally,
what is it that leads you to
conclude that Amber was
talking about black people,
and commenting on race?
>
Pete
>
>
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at
10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Yeah
you need to give black
people more credit. Did
you know, some of them
like coffee shops also?
some of them can read?
Some of them have
computers? Some of them
might become sudo
members? Black people
are pretty similar to
white people and like
lots of the same
things!!! Wow.
>
In any case w. O.
Is pretty mixed. There
are lots burners and
anarchists there that
would like sudo room
too. My roommate
Randall will be there
every day if you move
to 8th and Alice.
>
Listen if anyone
on this list is
actually worried about
the harmful effects of
gentrification, I'm
happy to brainstorm
how to accomplish
these two specific
goals:
Under no
circumstances should
the west
Oakland housing
projects move or be
converted. (This will
not be a real concern
for 25 years, but
still)
Make new building in w o
very very easy. The main
attractive feature of w
O is cheapness of rent.
We still have plenty of
empty space. There is no
reason that supply
tightness should cause
rents to rise for 50
more years SO LONG AS
ANTI GENTRIFICATION
concerns DONT
PREVENT NEW BUILDING.
>
>
>
On Tuesday,
November 26,
2013, Pete
Forsyth wrote:
>
>
Everybody
has different
views on
gentrification.
But speaking
for myself,
the kind that
bothers me is
the
high-security
condos with
on-site
parking where
rich people
get cheap real
estate and
then have zero
incentive or
inclination to
engage with
their
neighbors.
They drive to
work, drive to
Whole Foods,
and in between
sit behind
bars on their
balconies
while their
neighbors push
shopping carts
by their
fortresslike
front doors to
the recycling
center.
>
Sudo Room
*exists* to
build
community. It
may not build
the kind of
community that
everybody
wants to
participate
in, but it
does offer
opportunities
that don't
exist absent a
hacker space.
It's hard for
me to imagine
Sudo Room
doing damage
to its
neighborhood,
and even if
something
unexpected
happened, I
think its
community
would act
quickly to
correct the
problem.
>
Pete
>
>
On Tue,
Nov 26, 2013
at 8:45 AM,
AnimationAmber
. amberyadaanimation(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
It
should be
noted that
aiming for a
space in a
"less-gentrified"
neighborhood
does overlook
the
possibility
that Sudo's
presence would
have a
gentrifying
effect.
Thoughts?
>
-amber
>
>
On Mon, Nov
25, 2013 at
9:06 PM, Marc
Juul juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
>
>
Matt,
Jenny and
myself went
and looked at
another space
that could
potentially be
a new sudo
space.
>
>
We've started
gathering
information
about it here:
>
>
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/8th_and_Alice
>
>
My
personal
feeling about
the space is:
>
>
This is
an awesome
space with
lots of
natural light.
It addresses
two of the
major concerns
raised about
The Omni in
being two
blocks from
BART in a
neighborhood
that
seems/feels
safer than the
area around
MacArthur
BART, and in
being located
in a less
gentrified
neighborhood.
The one
drawback in
comparing it
to the current
space and The
Omni is the
lack of a big
separate
common area
for events. It
is _very_
similar to
Noisebridge in
almost every
way.
>
>
>
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sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>
I'm giving a Learn To Solder workshop at the Oakland Public Library this Saturday
7-Dec. 2:30pm - 4:30pm.
Lots of cool kits to choose from, make, and take home with you.
FREE!
Learn to solder! All ages. All welcome!
Oakland Asian Library
388 9th Street Suite 190Oakland, CA 94607
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Mitch.
if there are any bored film people sitting around, it'd be so rad to see
some kind of experimental video interviewing and filming the bike taxi
union that hangs out at sudoroom. their mission, what they're into, and
them riding around.
i mean, i should probably start help making it but i'm just going to write
this like a dj request list. =D
hey friends,
On a slightly different note, a very close friend of mine, Gary Ruskin, is
running a the Center for Corporate Policy, relatively new nonprofit focused
on fighting corporate crime and violence. Previously, he managed the Prop
37 campaign to label GMOs. Recently, he published a report highlighting how
big businesses are spying on activists and radical nonprofits (see this
article<http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-corporations-increasingly-sp…>
in
the LA Times).
Lately, Gary and I have been taking about how to begin organizing
"mainstream" (forgive the label) tech workers around progressive politics,
far beyond mere "civic hacking" on transit apps or Twitter accounts to
report inefficiencies. More on that in the coming months...
I'm writing to you all because Gary and I also asked:
Where do folks like the Center for Corporate
Policy<http://www.corporatepolicy.org>go to find allied talent who
might develop and evolve their online presence
and strategy? At first I thought, well, hmmm, the warm, loving, and
supporting Sudo Room crew.
So – if folks know folks up for the task of improving
www.corporatepolicy.org, let me know!
And – if folks are interested in the bigger picture of building bridges
between mainstream tech workers and radical activists, I'm eager to
continue that conversation, too.
sincerely,
Danny
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their conveyance for another such as myself
do tell!
i dont want to make my number public, so i will endeavor to keep
checking....
--
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ChrisBee: What you SAID was this:
"Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions about
this based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to such-and-such area"
I think "Wow, if that isn't privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I
don't know what is." Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying."
So if what you SAID is not what you MEANT, now's your chance to un-SAY it.
As my friends around here know, my safety-sense is calibrated to err on
the side of false-positives, and on that particular occasion I got a
false-negative, with the result that I and the person I was with got
held up at gunpoint. The gal who was physically assaulted and robbed of
her tablet was sitting in front of DeLauer's, and three assailants were
involved. The guy who got his windows smashed (twice) was parked
outside SR.
So: How much paranoia is justified, or should we get concealed-carry
permits and shoot any random JoeBob who approaches us on the streets at
night? Or should we wear pistols in holsters and hope that visible
deterrence is worth a damn against hardened criminals who might be
cranked up on meth?
The fact that you've been robbed, you've had friends who've been robbed,
and had a couple of friends die (presumably shot) (someone I knew also
died from a gang shooting) should, if anything, disabuse you of the
attitude that "being aware of your surroundings" is sufficient to avoid
an early meet-up with the Grim Reaper.
But instead you come up with this in your latest missive: "[don't']
assume everything is going to be fine if, say, you decide to send some
drunk texts while walking through Ghost Town at 3 am."
Excuse me but I've never been drunk in my life, and I don't even own a
cellphone (I get all the surveillance I want for my taxpayer dollars,
why pay another $600/year for even more?). The guy I was with wasn't
drunk or texting either. The gal who got assaulted and robbed wasn't
drunk; she was reading on her tablet, but it was at a bus stop in a
brightly lit area with lots of people coming & going. The guy whose car
windows got smashed: hmm, should his car have been more paranoid?, or
should his car get a concealed-carry permit?
In point of fact some parts of Oakland ARE safer than others. Look up
the crime maps and see for yourself. Whether, on balance, SR should
locate in whatever-neighborhood depends on a lot of things including
affordable space and access to public transport, and I'm not opposed to
taking calculated risks or making tradeoffs. But there's a world of
difference between _that_ and a smug callous attitude toward other
people's safety and other peoples' lives.
As for keeping the personal attacks out of it, you bloody well fired the
first shot, or rather, tossed a big honking hand-grenade of a personal
attack with your line about "privilege/entitlement/self-absorption." So
don't be surprised at the blowback.
-G.
=====
On 13-12-02-Mon 7:17 PM, Chris Bee wrote:
> What I meant was that if you spend any amount of time in Oakland it
> behooves you to be aware of your surroundings and not assume
> everything is going to be fine if, say, you decide to send some drunk
> texts while walking through Ghost Town at 3 am. I realize that not
> every "I got robbed in Oakland" story starts like this but you'd be
> surprised at how many do.
>
> BTW I am not the douchebag you seem to think I am. I've been robbed
> (in Temescal no less), had close friends robbed, even had a couple
> friends die as a result of shit like this so it's something I'm pretty
> familiar with. I'm not saying what I'm saying lightly, I'm saying this
> because I don't want sudoers to think that one part of Oakland is
> necessarily safer or less safe than another part. So let's keep the
> personal attacks out of it, it's a shitty thing to go through but we
> shouldn't take shots at each other.
>
> -chrisbee
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:54 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne
> <g2g-public01(a)att.net <mailto:g2g-public01@att.net>> wrote:
>
>
> Re. Sonja:
>
> Exactly what I've done: not gone back to SudoRoom after having had
> a gun pointed at my guts right in the doorway. Chances are at
> least one person reading this is pleased with that outcome, but at
> least four I know aren't.
>
> Re. ChrisBee:
>
> Right, blame the fucking victims, three or four of us that I know
> of who've been robbed, assaulted, or had car windows smashed and
> stuff stolen coming & going from SR or parked nearby, and possibly
> one or two I missed.
>
> Let's see, where have we heard your line of bullshit before?...
> she shouldn't have been wearing those clothes either...? I take
> it you agree with that too.
>
> I'll quote you directly for what comes next, just so the context
> of my reply is clear:
>
>
> "Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions
> about this based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to
> such-and-such area" I think "Wow, if that isn't
> privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I don't know what is."
> Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying."
>
> So it's "privilege/entitlement/self-absorption" to value being in
> a safe location where you're less likely to be subjected to
> violence on the street? I'm going to say something to you that I
> haven't said to anyone in a damn long time: Go fuck yourself.
>
> -G.
>
>
> =====
>
>
>
> On 13-12-02-Mon 6:02 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
>> Yeah but what if taking responsibility for your safety means not
>> going where you've been robbed before?
>>
>> On Monday, December 2, 2013, Chris Bee wrote:
>>
>> (shakes head, sighs)
>>
>> I've said it before and I'll say it again...in most cases,
>> putting the onus of personal safety on a neighborhood is
>> totally missing the point that YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR
>> OWN SAFETY, full stop. Saying that you are (relatively) more
>> or less safe depending on where you are is...is...well, it's
>> wrong thinking on so many levels that I don't even know where
>> to begin.
>>
>> Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read
>> discussions about this based around "how safe is so-and-so
>> compared to such-and-such area" I think "Wow, if that isn't
>> privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I don't know what
>> is." Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying. I
>> like and respect my sudo peoples...a lot. That's why I'm
>> pointing this out. I don't want anyone to be lulled into a
>> false sense of security/anxiety by thinking that just because
>> you're in one area bad shit is less prone to happen to you,
>> or vice versa. It's on all of us to be aware of what's going
>> on around us and to be prepared to deal with whatever
>> situations may come our way, alone or otherwise. Good
>> Samaritans notwithstanding, the cops are...well, the odds of
>> them being there when you "need" them (I personally don't)
>> are next to nil, and they only seem to make things
>> complicated after the fact.
>>
>> What we should be focused on is locating an affordable space
>> that meets the needs of BAPS/sudo/CCL.
>>
>> Sorry if I seem a little impatient but I've seen too many
>> important discussions get derailed like this, and right now I
>> think this is pretty high on our list of immediate concerns.
>>
>> And again, If anyone wants to straighten me out on this issue
>> I'm all ears/eyes.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> -chrisbee
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Sonja Trauss
>> <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oh man I'm I total idiot, I just realized where 8th and
>> Alice is - I saw "8th st" and "near BART" and thought you
>> were talking about w Oakland BART.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>>
>> Sonja, given that -- as you say -- West Oakland is
>> "pretty mixed" racially and culturally, what is it
>> that leads you to conclude that Amber was talking
>> about black people, and commenting on race?
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss
>> <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah you need to give black people more credit.
>> Did you know, some of them like coffee shops
>> also? some of them can read? Some of them have
>> computers? Some of them might become sudo
>> members? Black people are pretty similar to white
>> people and like lots of the same things!!! Wow.
>>
>> In any case w. O. Is pretty mixed. There are lots
>> burners and anarchists there that would like sudo
>> room too. My roommate Randall will be there every
>> day if you move to 8th and Alice.
>>
>> Listen if anyone on this list is actually worried
>> about the harmful effects of gentrification, I'm
>> happy to brainstorm how to accomplish these
>> two specific goals:
>> Under no circumstances should the west
>> Oakland housing projects move or be converted.
>> (This will not be a real concern for 25 years,
>> but still)
>> Make new building in w o very very easy. The main
>> attractive feature of w O is cheapness of rent.
>> We still have plenty of empty space. There is no
>> reason that supply tightness should cause rents
>> to rise for 50 more years SO LONG AS ANTI
>> GENTRIFICATION concerns DONT PREVENT NEW BUILDING.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>>
>> Everybody has different views on
>> gentrification. But speaking for myself, the
>> kind that bothers me is the high-security
>> condos with on-site parking where rich people
>> get cheap real estate and then have zero
>> incentive or inclination to engage with their
>> neighbors. They drive to work, drive to Whole
>> Foods, and in between sit behind bars on
>> their balconies while their neighbors push
>> shopping carts by their fortresslike front
>> doors to the recycling center.
>>
>> Sudo Room *exists* to build community. It may
>> not build the kind of community that
>> everybody wants to participate in, but it
>> does offer opportunities that don't exist
>> absent a hacker space. It's hard for me to
>> imagine Sudo Room doing damage to its
>> neighborhood, and even if something
>> unexpected happened, I think its community
>> would act quickly to correct the problem.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM,
>> AnimationAmber .
>> <amberyadaanimation(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It should be noted that aiming for a
>> space in a "less-gentrified" neighborhood
>> does overlook the possibility that Sudo's
>> presence would have a gentrifying effect.
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> -amber
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marc
>> Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
>>
>> Matt, Jenny and myself went and
>> looked at another space that could
>> potentially be a new sudo space.
>>
>> We've started gathering information
>> about it here:
>>
>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/8th_and_Alice
>>
>> My personal feeling about the space is:
>>
>> This is an awesome space with lots of
>> natural light. It addresses two of
>> the major concerns raised about The
>> Omni in being two blocks from BART in
>> a neighborhood that seems/feels safer
>> than the area around MacArthur BART,
>> and in being located in a less
>> gentrified neighborhood. The one
>> drawback in comparing it to the
>> current space and The Omni is the
>> lack of a big separate common area
>> for events. It is _very_ similar to
>> Noisebridge in almost every way.
>>
>>
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maybe it's been a while since i was last at sudoroom.org, but the new
homepage is beautiful! thank you to whoever updated it and to romy for
drawing one of my favorite comics!
<3,
marina
...for some reason it didn't carbonate, so it's going to do so in the sudo
fridge for the next couple days. That means we had to bring the CO2 up to
14 psi, which is considerably over serving pressure (5 psi). So, unless you
feel up to a flat mate shower, please do not tap the keg till it's ready.
"We will not drink any mate before its time." -Orson Welles, famous sudoer
(I think)
-chrisbee
