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by aestetix

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey everyone, I was interviewed on "Interactive Technologies" on Ann Arbor's 88.3 FM today about online identity issues and NymRights. It's a pretty basic introduction and addresses some of the complex issues we're looking at right now. Just wanted to share! http://it.sensoryresearch.net/thoughtconduit/archive?id=1711 Cheers, aestetix -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.19 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org … [View More]

11 years, 5 months

"The Battle for Oscar Grant Plaza" Documentary Screening this Sunday, 3-5pm!

by Jenny Ryan

Heads up for a rad event this coming Sunday! Come by Sudo Room at 3pm for: Short documentary screening: “The Battle for Oscar Grant Plaza” by Jacob Crawford and co-produced by Dave Id, Indybay.org. The documentary shows how the City of Oakland and its Police tried to shut down the budding “Occupy Wall Street” movement, turning downtown Oakland into a teargas filled war zone and injuring numerous people. Police video obtained in discovery in the National Lawyers Guild’s successful lawsuit and … [View More]

11 years, 5 months

Bay Area Community Exchange meeting tomorrow 8:00-9:30 in common area

by AnimationAmber .

Hi Sudo people! BACE (Bay Area Community Exchange) is having our monthly general planning meeting at Sudo Room tomorrow night, 8-9:30 PM in the common area. I know it overlaps with your guys' weekly meeting, but just wanted to post a reminder. BACE is a local timebank where we exchange services and goods for hours as our currency, valuing reciprocity over accumulation, credit, and debt. We also need tech help with our website, if anyone is looking for a non-hierarchical, people-centered, do-… [View More]

11 years, 5 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space

by Hol Gaskill

>Or should we wear pistols in holsters and hope that visible deterrence is worth a damn against hardened criminals who might be cranked up on meth? open carry is now illegal in the state of california, but I hear more concealed carry permits are being issued by alameda county sheriffs due to reduced local PD staff, should you choose to go that route. also, reactionary ranting is usually not worth reading. might want to reconsider whether generating these text walls is the best use of your … [View More]time as more and more people skip over them. i MEAN what i've SAID here btw ;) it really is baffling to me that anyone would use so much of their time this way. cheers, hol Dec 2, 2013 08:13:26 PM, g2g-public01(a)att.net wrote: > > ChrisBee: What you SAID was this: > > "Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions about this based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to such-and-such area" I think "Wow, if that isn't privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I don't know what is." Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying." > > So if what you SAID is not what you MEANT, now's your chance to un-SAY it. > > As my friends around here know, my safety-sense is calibrated to err on the side of false-positives, and on that particular occasion I got a false-negative, with the result that I and the person I was with got held up at gunpoint. The gal who was physically assaulted and robbed of her tablet was sitting in front of DeLauer's, and three assailants were involved. The guy who got his windows smashed (twice) was parked outside SR. > > So: How much paranoia is justified, or should we get concealed-carry permits and shoot any random JoeBob who approaches us on the streets at night? Or should we wear pistols in holsters and hope that visible deterrence is worth a damn against hardened criminals who might be cranked up on meth? > > The fact that you've been robbed, you've had friends who've been robbed, and had a couple of friends die (presumably shot) (someone I knew also died from a gang shooting) should, if anything, disabuse you of the attitude that "being aware of your surroundings" is sufficient to avoid an early meet-up with the Grim Reaper. > > But instead you come up with this in your latest missive: "[don't'] assume everything is going to be fine if, say, you decide to send some drunk texts while walking through Ghost Town at 3 am." > > Excuse me but I've never been drunk in my life, and I don't even own a cellphone (I get all the surveillance I want for my taxpayer dollars, why pay another $600/year for even more?). The guy I was with wasn't drunk or texting either. The gal who got assaulted and robbed wasn't drunk; she was reading on her tablet, but it was at a bus stop in a brightly lit area with lots of people coming & going. The guy whose car windows got smashed: hmm, should his car have been more paranoid?, or should his car get a concealed-carry permit? > > In point of fact some parts of Oakland ARE safer than others. Look up the crime maps and see for yourself. Whether, on balance, SR should locate in whatever-neighborhood depends on a lot of things including affordable space and access to public transport, and I'm not opposed to taking calculated risks or making tradeoffs. But there's a world of difference between _that_ and a smug callous attitude toward other people's safety and other peoples' lives. > > As for keeping the personal attacks out of it, you bloody well fired the first shot, or rather, tossed a big honking hand-grenade of a personal attack with your line about "privilege/entitlement/self-absorption." So don't be surprised at the blowback. > > -G. > > > ===== > > > > On 13-12-02-Mon 7:17 PM, Chris Bee wrote: > > What I meant was that if you spend any amount of time in Oakland it behooves you to be aware of your surroundings and not assume everything is going to be fine if, say, you decide to send some drunk texts while walking through Ghost Town at 3 am. I realize that not every "I got robbed in Oakland" story starts like this but you'd be surprised at how many do. > > BTW I am not the douchebag you seem to think I am. I've been robbed (in Temescal no less), had close friends robbed, even had a couple friends die as a result of shit like this so it's something I'm pretty familiar with. I'm not saying what I'm saying lightly, I'm saying this because I don't want sudoers to think that one part of Oakland is necessarily safer or less safe than another part. So let's keep the personal attacks out of it, it's a shitty thing to go through but we shouldn't take shots at each other. > > -chrisbee > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:54 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne g2g-public01(a)att.net> wrote: > > > Re. Sonja: > > Exactly what I've done: not gone back to SudoRoom after having had a gun pointed at my guts right in the doorway. Chances are at least one person reading this is pleased with that outcome, but at least four I know aren't. > > Re. ChrisBee: > > Right, blame the fucking victims, three or four of us that I know of who've been robbed, assaulted, or had car windows smashed and stuff stolen coming & going from SR or parked nearby, and possibly one or two I missed. > > Let's see, where have we heard your line of bullshit before?... she shouldn't have been wearing those clothes either...? I take it you agree with that too. > > I'll quote you directly for what comes next, just so the context of my reply is clear: > > "Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions about this based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to such-and-such area" I think "Wow, if that isn't privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I don't know what is." Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying." > > So it's "privilege/entitlement/self-absorption" to value being in a safe location where you're less likely to be subjected to violence on the street? I'm going to say something to you that I haven't said to anyone in a damn long time: Go fuck yourself. > > -G. > > > ===== > > > On 13-12-02-Mon 6:02 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote: > > Yeah but what if taking responsibility for your safety means not going where you've been robbed before? > > On Monday, December 2, 2013, Chris Bee wrote: > > (shakes head, sighs) > > I've said it before and I'll say it again...in most cases, putting the onus of personal safety on a neighborhood is totally missing the point that YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY, full stop. Saying that you are (relatively) more or less safe depending on where you are is...is...well, it's wrong thinking on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin. > > Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions about this based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to such-and-such area" I think "Wow, if that isn't privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I don't know what is." Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying. I like and respect my sudo peoples...a lot. That's why I'm pointing this out. I don't want anyone to be lulled into a false sense of security/anxiety by thinking that just because you're in one area bad shit is less prone to happen to you, or vice versa. It's on all of us to be aware of what's going on around us and to be prepared to deal with whatever situations may come our way, alone or otherwise. Good Samaritans notwithstanding, the cops are...well, the odds of them being there when you "need" them (I personally don't) are next to nil, and they only seem to make things complicated after the fact. > > What we should be focused on is locating an affordable space that meets the needs of BAPS/sudo/CCL. > > Sorry if I seem a little impatient but I've seen too many important discussions get derailed like this, and right now I think this is pretty high on our list of immediate concerns. > > And again, If anyone wants to straighten me out on this issue I'm all ears/eyes. > > Respectfully, > > -chrisbee > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Sonja Trauss sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Oh man I'm I total idiot, I just realized where 8th and Alice is - I saw "8th st" and "near BART" and thought you were talking about w Oakland BART. > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > Sonja, given that -- as you say -- West Oakland is "pretty mixed" racially and culturally, what is it that leads you to conclude that Amber was talking about black people, and commenting on race? > Pete > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >Yeah you need to give black people more credit. Did you know, some of them like coffee shops also? some of them can read? Some of them have computers? Some of them might become sudo members? Black people are pretty similar to white people and like lots of the same things!!! Wow. > In any case w. O. Is pretty mixed. There are lots burners and anarchists there that would like sudo room too. My roommate Randall will be there every day if you move to 8th and Alice. > Listen if anyone on this list is actually worried about the harmful effects of gentrification, I'm happy to brainstorm how to accomplish these two specific goals: Under no circumstances should the west Oakland housing projects move or be converted. (This will not be a real concern for 25 years, but still) Make new building in w o very very easy. The main attractive feature of w O is cheapness of rent. We still have plenty of empty space. There is no reason that supply tightness should cause rents to rise for 50 more years SO LONG AS ANTI GENTRIFICATION concerns DONT PREVENT NEW BUILDING. > > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > Everybody has different views on gentrification. But speaking for myself, the kind that bothers me is the high-security condos with on-site parking where rich people get cheap real estate and then have zero incentive or inclination to engage with their neighbors. They drive to work, drive to Whole Foods, and in between sit behind bars on their balconies while their neighbors push shopping carts by their fortresslike front doors to the recycling center. > Sudo Room *exists* to build community. It may not build the kind of community that everybody wants to participate in, but it does offer opportunities that don't exist absent a hacker space. It's hard for me to imagine Sudo Room doing damage to its neighborhood, and even if something unexpected happened, I think its community would act quickly to correct the problem. > Pete > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM, AnimationAmber . amberyadaanimation(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > It should be noted that aiming for a space in a "less-gentrified" neighborhood does overlook the possibility that Sudo's presence would have a gentrifying effect. Thoughts? > -amber > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marc Juul juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote: > > Matt, Jenny and myself went and looked at another space that could potentially be a new sudo space. > > We've started gathering information about it here: > > https://sudoroom.org/wiki/8th_and_Alice > > My personal feeling about the space is: > > This is an awesome space with lots of natural light. It addresses two of the major concerns raised about The Omni in being two blocks from BART in a neighborhood that seems/feels safer than the area around MacArthur BART, and in being located in a less gentrified neighborhood. The one drawback in comparing it to the current space and The Omni is the lack of a big separate common area for events. It is _very_ similar to Noisebridge in almost every way. > > > _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >sudo-discuss mailing list >sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > [View Less]

11 years, 5 months

Learn To Solder at Oakland Library

by Mitch Altman

I'm giving a Learn To Solder workshop at the Oakland Public Library this Saturday 7-Dec. 2:30pm - 4:30pm. Lots of cool kits to choose from, make, and take home with you. FREE! Learn to solder! All ages. All welcome! Oakland Asian Library 388 9th Street Suite 190Oakland, CA 94607 Phone: (510) 238-3400 See map: Google Maps http://www.oaklandlibrary.org/events/asian-branch/teen-tech-learn-solder Mitch.

11 years, 5 months

total film DJ request: video of the bike taxi folks at sudoroom

by Romy Ilano

if there are any bored film people sitting around, it'd be so rad to see some kind of experimental video interviewing and filming the bike taxi union that hangs out at sudoroom. their mission, what they're into, and them riding around. i mean, i should probably start help making it but i'm just going to write this like a dj request list. =D

11 years, 5 months

blog post > noisebridge, sudoroom crew visit rpscollective for craft night

by Romy Ilano

you might have to go to the blog link to see the photos https://sudoroom.org/craft-night-with-hackerspace-nerds/ Craft Night with Hackerspace Nerds We were having a necessary meeting at SudoRoom this Sunday with lots of paperwork… there were people from the excellent SF hackerspace Noisebridge<http://www.noisebridge.net/> as well! this stuff is important, but people were starting to fade out fast. Or maybe it was just me. There are a lot of great things afoot, and I had spent far too … [View More]

11 years, 5 months

crime and violence ... of the corporate variety

by Danny Spitzberg

hey friends, On a slightly different note, a very close friend of mine, Gary Ruskin, is running a the Center for Corporate Policy, relatively new nonprofit focused on fighting corporate crime and violence. Previously, he managed the Prop 37 campaign to label GMOs. Recently, he published a report highlighting how big businesses are spying on activists and radical nonprofits (see this article<http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-corporations-increasingly-sp…> in the LA Times). … [View More]

11 years, 5 months

death guild

by johanna faust

should anyone that is attending this evenings festivities have room in their conveyance for another such as myself do tell! i dont want to make my number public, so i will endeavor to keep checking.... -- *Be seeing you.*

11 years, 5 months

[Needed] Split keyboard! (barter/$$)

by Vicky Knox

Hi everyone! Do any of you have a split keyboard you would be down to barter/gift/sell me? Legalese: Barter items could include and are not limited to all or some of the following: - NOMS: If you have not yet tried my cooking, your future tongue will soon be blessed by the gods of endless salivation. Argentinean specialty (almost all of my recipes can be made veggie or vegan. Seriously.). - SUCCULENTS: I have many of these little fractals, and can arrange them in pretty pots … [View More]

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