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by Vicky Knox

Hi everyone! Do any of you have a split keyboard you would be down to barter/gift/sell me? Legalese: Barter items could include and are not limited to all or some of the following: - NOMS: If you have not yet tried my cooking, your future tongue will soon be blessed by the gods of endless salivation. Argentinean specialty (almost all of my recipes can be made veggie or vegan. Seriously.). - SUCCULENTS: I have many of these little fractals, and can arrange them in pretty pots … [View More]

11 years, 4 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space

by GtwoG PublicOhOne

ChrisBee: What you SAID was this: "Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions about this based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to such-and-such area" I think "Wow, if that isn't privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I don't know what is." Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying." So if what you SAID is not what you MEANT, now's your chance to un-SAY it. As my friends around here know, my safety-sense is calibrated to err on the side of false-… [View More]positives, and on that particular occasion I got a false-negative, with the result that I and the person I was with got held up at gunpoint. The gal who was physically assaulted and robbed of her tablet was sitting in front of DeLauer's, and three assailants were involved. The guy who got his windows smashed (twice) was parked outside SR. So: How much paranoia is justified, or should we get concealed-carry permits and shoot any random JoeBob who approaches us on the streets at night? Or should we wear pistols in holsters and hope that visible deterrence is worth a damn against hardened criminals who might be cranked up on meth? The fact that you've been robbed, you've had friends who've been robbed, and had a couple of friends die (presumably shot) (someone I knew also died from a gang shooting) should, if anything, disabuse you of the attitude that "being aware of your surroundings" is sufficient to avoid an early meet-up with the Grim Reaper. But instead you come up with this in your latest missive: "[don't'] assume everything is going to be fine if, say, you decide to send some drunk texts while walking through Ghost Town at 3 am." Excuse me but I've never been drunk in my life, and I don't even own a cellphone (I get all the surveillance I want for my taxpayer dollars, why pay another $600/year for even more?). The guy I was with wasn't drunk or texting either. The gal who got assaulted and robbed wasn't drunk; she was reading on her tablet, but it was at a bus stop in a brightly lit area with lots of people coming & going. The guy whose car windows got smashed: hmm, should his car have been more paranoid?, or should his car get a concealed-carry permit? In point of fact some parts of Oakland ARE safer than others. Look up the crime maps and see for yourself. Whether, on balance, SR should locate in whatever-neighborhood depends on a lot of things including affordable space and access to public transport, and I'm not opposed to taking calculated risks or making tradeoffs. But there's a world of difference between _that_ and a smug callous attitude toward other people's safety and other peoples' lives. As for keeping the personal attacks out of it, you bloody well fired the first shot, or rather, tossed a big honking hand-grenade of a personal attack with your line about "privilege/entitlement/self-absorption." So don't be surprised at the blowback. -G. ===== On 13-12-02-Mon 7:17 PM, Chris Bee wrote: > What I meant was that if you spend any amount of time in Oakland it > behooves you to be aware of your surroundings and not assume > everything is going to be fine if, say, you decide to send some drunk > texts while walking through Ghost Town at 3 am. I realize that not > every "I got robbed in Oakland" story starts like this but you'd be > surprised at how many do. > > BTW I am not the douchebag you seem to think I am. I've been robbed > (in Temescal no less), had close friends robbed, even had a couple > friends die as a result of shit like this so it's something I'm pretty > familiar with. I'm not saying what I'm saying lightly, I'm saying this > because I don't want sudoers to think that one part of Oakland is > necessarily safer or less safe than another part. So let's keep the > personal attacks out of it, it's a shitty thing to go through but we > shouldn't take shots at each other. > > -chrisbee > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:54 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne > <g2g-public01(a)att.net <mailto:g2g-public01@att.net>> wrote: > > > Re. Sonja: > > Exactly what I've done: not gone back to SudoRoom after having had > a gun pointed at my guts right in the doorway. Chances are at > least one person reading this is pleased with that outcome, but at > least four I know aren't. > > Re. ChrisBee: > > Right, blame the fucking victims, three or four of us that I know > of who've been robbed, assaulted, or had car windows smashed and > stuff stolen coming & going from SR or parked nearby, and possibly > one or two I missed. > > Let's see, where have we heard your line of bullshit before?... > she shouldn't have been wearing those clothes either...? I take > it you agree with that too. > > I'll quote you directly for what comes next, just so the context > of my reply is clear: > > > "Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions > about this based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to > such-and-such area" I think "Wow, if that isn't > privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I don't know what is." > Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying." > > So it's "privilege/entitlement/self-absorption" to value being in > a safe location where you're less likely to be subjected to > violence on the street? I'm going to say something to you that I > haven't said to anyone in a damn long time: Go fuck yourself. > > -G. > > > ===== > > > > On 13-12-02-Mon 6:02 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote: >> Yeah but what if taking responsibility for your safety means not >> going where you've been robbed before? >> >> On Monday, December 2, 2013, Chris Bee wrote: >> >> (shakes head, sighs) >> >> I've said it before and I'll say it again...in most cases, >> putting the onus of personal safety on a neighborhood is >> totally missing the point that YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR >> OWN SAFETY, full stop. Saying that you are (relatively) more >> or less safe depending on where you are is...is...well, it's >> wrong thinking on so many levels that I don't even know where >> to begin. >> >> Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read >> discussions about this based around "how safe is so-and-so >> compared to such-and-such area" I think "Wow, if that isn't >> privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I don't know what >> is." Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying. I >> like and respect my sudo peoples...a lot. That's why I'm >> pointing this out. I don't want anyone to be lulled into a >> false sense of security/anxiety by thinking that just because >> you're in one area bad shit is less prone to happen to you, >> or vice versa. It's on all of us to be aware of what's going >> on around us and to be prepared to deal with whatever >> situations may come our way, alone or otherwise. Good >> Samaritans notwithstanding, the cops are...well, the odds of >> them being there when you "need" them (I personally don't) >> are next to nil, and they only seem to make things >> complicated after the fact. >> >> What we should be focused on is locating an affordable space >> that meets the needs of BAPS/sudo/CCL. >> >> Sorry if I seem a little impatient but I've seen too many >> important discussions get derailed like this, and right now I >> think this is pretty high on our list of immediate concerns. >> >> And again, If anyone wants to straighten me out on this issue >> I'm all ears/eyes. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> -chrisbee >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Sonja Trauss >> <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Oh man I'm I total idiot, I just realized where 8th and >> Alice is - I saw "8th st" and "near BART" and thought you >> were talking about w Oakland BART. >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote: >> >> Sonja, given that -- as you say -- West Oakland is >> "pretty mixed" racially and culturally, what is it >> that leads you to conclude that Amber was talking >> about black people, and commenting on race? >> >> Pete >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss >> <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Yeah you need to give black people more credit. >> Did you know, some of them like coffee shops >> also? some of them can read? Some of them have >> computers? Some of them might become sudo >> members? Black people are pretty similar to white >> people and like lots of the same things!!! Wow. >> >> In any case w. O. Is pretty mixed. There are lots >> burners and anarchists there that would like sudo >> room too. My roommate Randall will be there every >> day if you move to 8th and Alice. >> >> Listen if anyone on this list is actually worried >> about the harmful effects of gentrification, I'm >> happy to brainstorm how to accomplish these >> two specific goals: >> Under no circumstances should the west >> Oakland housing projects move or be converted. >> (This will not be a real concern for 25 years, >> but still) >> Make new building in w o very very easy. The main >> attractive feature of w O is cheapness of rent. >> We still have plenty of empty space. There is no >> reason that supply tightness should cause rents >> to rise for 50 more years SO LONG AS ANTI >> GENTRIFICATION concerns DONT PREVENT NEW BUILDING. >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote: >> >> Everybody has different views on >> gentrification. But speaking for myself, the >> kind that bothers me is the high-security >> condos with on-site parking where rich people >> get cheap real estate and then have zero >> incentive or inclination to engage with their >> neighbors. They drive to work, drive to Whole >> Foods, and in between sit behind bars on >> their balconies while their neighbors push >> shopping carts by their fortresslike front >> doors to the recycling center. >> >> Sudo Room *exists* to build community. It may >> not build the kind of community that >> everybody wants to participate in, but it >> does offer opportunities that don't exist >> absent a hacker space. It's hard for me to >> imagine Sudo Room doing damage to its >> neighborhood, and even if something >> unexpected happened, I think its community >> would act quickly to correct the problem. >> >> Pete >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM, >> AnimationAmber . >> <amberyadaanimation(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> It should be noted that aiming for a >> space in a "less-gentrified" neighborhood >> does overlook the possibility that Sudo's >> presence would have a gentrifying effect. >> Thoughts? >> >> -amber >> >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marc >> Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote: >> >> Matt, Jenny and myself went and >> looked at another space that could >> potentially be a new sudo space. >> >> We've started gathering information >> about it here: >> >> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/8th_and_Alice >> >> My personal feeling about the space is: >> >> This is an awesome space with lots of >> natural light. It addresses two of >> the major concerns raised about The >> Omni in being two blocks from BART in >> a neighborhood that seems/feels safer >> than the area around MacArthur BART, >> and in being located in a less >> gentrified neighborhood. The one >> drawback in comparing it to the >> current space and The Omni is the >> lack of a big separate common area >> for events. It is _very_ similar to >> Noisebridge in almost every way. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > [View Less]

11 years, 4 months

new sudoroom.org homepage - many <3's!

by Marina Kukso

maybe it's been a while since i was last at sudoroom.org, but the new homepage is beautiful! thank you to whoever updated it and to romy for drawing one of my favorite comics! <3, marina

11 years, 4 months

Don't drink/tamper with the mate in the fridge because...

by Chris Bee

...for some reason it didn't carbonate, so it's going to do so in the sudo fridge for the next couple days. That means we had to bring the CO2 up to 14 psi, which is considerably over serving pressure (5 psi). So, unless you feel up to a flat mate shower, please do not tap the keg till it's ready. "We will not drink any mate before its time." -Orson Welles, famous sudoer (I think) -chrisbee

11 years, 4 months

[FOUND] Jazz T55 Camcorder!

by Vicky Knox

Found last night! I can return it to you, oh mystery person, almost any day of the week at Sudo Room.

11 years, 4 months

2141 broadway expectations

by Matthew Senate

Hey all, I wanted to forward some expectations on behalf of landlord George Rosen. 1. Please be mindful of maintaining the furniture in the building. 2. Please limit scuffs on walls and carpets, or various other damage that can be avoided. 3. We need to participate in cleaning up or painting over scuffs and markings, especially obvious places such as some of the common room walls. (volunteers?) 4. It is essential to make more room by cleaning the sudo room so it can be more usable, making us … [View More]

11 years, 4 months

Fwd: from Tim Huet; URGENT info and help needed

by Danny Spitzberg

For those of you who are members of the Cooperative Development Center Federal Credit Union and/or interested in political dimensions of democratic organizations... Read on And to all a happy Sunday! :Danny ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Tim Huet" <easytospell(a)sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 3:31 AM Subject: from Tim Huet; URGENT info and help needed To: "tim(a)arizmendi.coop" <tim(a)arizmendi.coop> > {This is a matter of great urgency for … [View More]what-should-be a democratic > organization that can do great good for its community. I apologize for > the mix of personal and work email addresses, especially if you got > duplicate messages. I'm trying to get this message out to members of > the Cooperative Development Center Federal Credit Union before Tuesday's > meeting; I'm writing you as people who hopefully know me as someone who > has dedicated myself to building democratic organizations and would not > do the things that certain people in power are accusing me of. Please > feel encouraged to forward this message on to any friends you know who > might be members of the credit union to assist the effort to fight this > assault on democracy.} > Hello. I have started to receive enquires from friends and worried > credit union members regarding the action of the credit union's > Supervisory Committee to suspend Tye Kirk, Mike Leung, and myself.Let me > begin by saying that I believe the suspensions reflect a grave > governance crisis for the credit union, but I also believe the credit > union is financially secure.My primary interest continues to be to > revive the credit union as a democratic institution and have it serve > its community/members well, even if other parties wish to engage in > factional warfare and divert resources that could better serve the members. > I will provide a brief response to the charges here because past > experience indicates I might not be given a fair opportunity to respond > to charges in the meeting.Though fair process would involve an unbiased > investigation, the Supervisory Committee did not even interview me > before issuing its charges and suspension.The allegations are that Tye, > Mike, and I... > ·"Attempted to hold one or more Board meetings without giving notice to > the other directors" > ·"At improper meetings attempted to remove two legally seated directors..." > We never endeavored to remove other board directors. We endeavored to > have timely legal elections as part of the 2013 annual meeting.I tried > everything I could to inform Board Chair Garrett and Vice Chair Shabaka > the bylaws called for their terms to end with the next annual meeting > unless re-elected at that meeting. > The reason the election could not happen on the meeting date Mr. Shabaka > proposed (11/1/13) was because Mr. Garrett, as Board Chair, did not > fulfill his legal duty of appointing a Nominating Committee with a > sufficient period to seek out qualified candidates.It would be > understandable if Mr. Garrett simply forgot that his maximum three-year > term was coming to an end (though two annual meetings without an > election in a row should never happen in a credit union with three-year > terms).But his failure to take appropriate action/responsibility once > notified of his lapse is entirely another matter.Instead of seeking > guidance and approval from the National Credit Union Administration > (NCUA) about how we could carry out an election with the greatest haste > and least waste of member resources, Mr. Garrett and Mr. Shabaka kept > pushing toward an early annual meeting without elections...and > apparently stayed on the board without being re-elected.So we had a 2013 > "annual meeting" with no elections or substantial opportunity for the > members to give input, at the cost of thousands of members' dollars; and > now we will apparently have an extra annual meeting/election in early > 2014 (likely costing thousands more of the members' dollars). Yet the > Supervisory Committee (primarily charged with making sure members' funds > are not wasted) ignored this violation. > We tried to organize a meeting of the board within seven days of the > annual meeting as the bylaws would appear to require; the bylaws require > this meeting primarily to elect new officers (presumably because an > election would have happened and there might be occasion/need for a > change of officers).There was an effort to reach every board member and > the one possible time that Mr. Shabaka, Mr. Leung, Mr. Kirk and I could > make was arrived at, with the hope that Mr. Garrett would be able to > find a way to fulfill this obligation under the bylaws.But when Mr. > Garrett was called and asked about time in the remaining day to meet the > bylaw obligation, he would not listen or engage in a cooperative effort > to fulfill our obligation; he instead hung up on the caller.Though I > expect Mr. Garrett will have more opportunities to speak for himself, he > apparently objected that only he as the Chair could call a meeting (not > true).But the real issue was that a meeting was required the bylaws; he > was responsible as anyone to understand the bylaw requirements; and > particularly if he was the only one who could call the meeting he would > be the person most responsible for making sure not to violate that > bylaw...but he wouldn't want to have a meeting where he wouldn't be > eligible to be elected to a one-year officer term when he was beyond his > election term and it could not be presumed he would be re-elected.So > another actual bylaw violation -- failure to have the meeting within > seven days -- due to Mr. Garrett's inaction and obstruction. > Yet the Supervisory Committee again ignored this in favor of suspending > directors trying to work out bylaws that would comply with NCUA > regulations, allow for lawful elections, etc. (the bylaws supposedly > adopted by the previous board, including Ms. Pitrie of the Supervisory > Committee, proved to be a jumble of contradictions that could not > possibly have been approved by the NCUA). > This is despite the Supervisory Committee's claim that it "takes > seriously your, and each of our members' rights, to vote on the > composition of your Board."The Supervisory Committee is required by law > to let the members decide on approving suspension and > reinstatement...and only if members show up December 3^rd (Ed Roberts > Campus, above Ashby BART, 3075 Adeline; 6 p.m.) who care about democracy > will a fair process and result be assured. > Thanking you for your consideration, > Tim Huet [View Less]

11 years, 4 months

Fwd: December Statement, 2141 Broadway

by Matthew Senate

See attached statement: $1704.25 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> Date: Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:11 PM Subject: December Statement, 2141 Broadway To: exchequer(a)sudoroom.org Cc: eddan(a)eddan.com, mattsenate(a)gmail.com Hi All- Attached please find the December statement. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving weekend! Laurie

11 years, 4 months

Sudo Room Board Meeting Notes

by Jenny Ryan

*Sudo Room Board Meeting Summary* Please see https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Board for succinct summation :-) Attendees (8/13): Marc, Jenny, Matt, Hol, Julio, Romy, Max, Vicky Please do any independent Research for the a Non Profit California Benefit Corporation beforehand to inform us. If folks want to update our wiki page collaboratively - https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Board&action=edit#&togetherj… We are: - a "Non-profit public benefit corporation" under the … [View More]state of California, organized for public and charitable purposes - California corporations code 5110 (5300?) - Incorporation Process followed to get us here "Nonprofit Public Benefit Corporation" http://www.sos.ca.gov/business/be/filing-tips-corp.htm#artsnp - The specific purpose of this corporation is to promote and encourage scientific, technical, engineering and artistic skills through individual projects, social collaboration, and education. In the context of these purposes, the corporation shall engage in scientific, charitable and educational activities within the meaning of Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. - but we are not Federally 501(c)(3) yet. 1. What are our responsibilities? - Legally. What do we have to report? - How are we going to ensure those reports? - Pay taxes, or the treasurer is liable 2. How often should the board meet? - 0 or more times per year? - Announce only once a year? - During regular weekly sudo meetings? [enthusiasm for this one] - over email? What are Articles of Incorporation? - Proposed Articles of Incorporation (Marc copy pasted from NB's made some edits with Matt): https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws Marc's proposal is to break out the Articles to be the minimum of board responsibilities and have a more fluid bylaws define how we operate... to separate legal stuff from doing stuff. It's all on the wiki, and on meeting minutes Date of Incorporation: Nov 5 (auspicious!) *=**=**O**ffi**cial requirements for board of directors**=**=* *File a Statement of Information once every two years - $25 Form: Form SI-100 (Statement of Information) *Due Date: Biennially before the end of the calendar month during which the original Articles of Incorporation were filed, but no sooner than the immediately preceding 5 calendar months.* Information: (916) 657-5448 Web Site: www.ss.ca.gov - https://businessfilings.sos.ca.gov/ - more info: http://www.hurwitassociates.com/l_s_annual_ca.php *Renewal Registration California Attorney General Form: Form RRF-1 *Due Date: 4 ½ months after end of fiscal year* Information: (916) 445-2021 Web Site: ag.ca.gov/charities Filing Fee: $0-$300 (depending on revenues) Note: If gross receipts or total assets over $25,000, include IRS Form 990, 990-EZ or 990-PF. Charitable corporations organized and operated primarily as hospitals, educational institutions, or religious organizations are exempt from filing. *File annually with the IRS Form: Annual Return Form 990 *Due Date: 4 ½ months after end of fiscal year* Internal Revenue Service Information: (800) 829-1040 Forms: (800) 829-3676 Web Site: www.irs.gov/charities Filing Fee: $0 Public Charities: Please note that, along with the new Form 990, the IRS has instituted a "phase-in" period to allow organizations time to adjust to the new form. For a detailed "phase-in" chart, please refer to the IRS website to determine which form to file (Form 990, Form 990-EZ or Form 990-N). Private Foundations: Submit Form 990PF, regardless of revenues. *File with the California Franchise Tax Board Note: For a general discussion of the California Franchise Tax Board's requirements for exempt organizations, please refer to their Exempt Organizations publication. a. Form: Form 199 or 199N (California e-Postcard) *Due Date: 4 ½ months after end of fiscal year* Phone: (916) 845-4171 Web Site: www.ftb.ca.gov Filing Fee: $0-25 (Form 199 Only, form 199N is free) Notes: Some organizations may be exempt from this filing depending on the type of organization. Refer to the Franchise Tax Board's website for details. b. Form: Form 109 (Exempt Organization Business Income Tax Return) *Due Date: 4 ½ months after end of fiscal year* Phone: (916) 845-4171 Web Site: www.ftb.ca.gov Filing Fee: $0 Note: This filing is required *only* if the organiztion derived more than $1,000 in gross unrelated business income. http://www.<http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=corp&group=05001-0600…> leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=corp&group=05001-06000&file=5210…<http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=corp&group=05001-0600…> have to notify all members of meetings quorum is majority can make actions with out meeting if over email - An action required or permitted to be taken by the board may - be taken without a meeting if all directors individually or - collectively consent in writing to that action and if, subject to - subdivis =May need to update these= yearly benefit statement http://www.benefitcorp.net/storage/documents/_California_Benefit_Corporatio… - yearly california requirements http://www.sos.ca.gov/business/be/faqs.htm#annual *==Action Items==* **DUE: Wed, Dec. 11 at next sudo meeting:* *Add to our proposed bylaws / Articles of Incorporation: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws [Everyone] *Do we need a business license? (Hol) *Send paperwork (incorporation docs and EIN) to board members [Marc] *Set up google calendar (or other) reminders for when we have to file. [who wrote this? Romy? Max? Matt? Whoever wrote it just signed theirself up] *Julio+Vicky: create FAQ doc for posterity - Does a board member have legal duty to fundraise? Not unless it's written in the articles of incorporation. *Make sure online checkin happens if people can't make the Wed Dec 11th meeting [Jenny] [View Less]

11 years, 4 months

Collect Ideas for Room Usability Improvements

by Max Klein

One of the things that the expectations email got me thinking about is how to make the interior (not common) space more functional. I want to come up with a plan, and want your input. I've started a wikipage that I hope you'll add to: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Room_Usability_Notepad Here are my preliminary thoughts. ==A master map of where everything goes== *If we had a map where everything went then we would know what is in- or out-of place. *Less "where is x?" type questions. *The … [View More]

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