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by Eddan Katz

Hi Sudo folk. Happy Holidays. Hope everyone's getting some quality time with friends and family. and Happy New Year to those of you already heading off somewhere for vacation. 2141 Broadway Looking ahead to 2014, this email is about buying and rental possibilities for the current building 2135-2143 Broadway with actual numbers. If you'd like to get in touch with the landlords directly, you can email Laurie Cooperman Rosen at lscoop(a)comcast.net; or call George Rosen at 510-504-4259. I wanted to update everyone on a meeting Matt & I had with the landlord earlier this month about the possibilities regarding renting/selling/co-op equity of the building where Sudo Room and the Bay Area Public School are currently located. Matt - please correct any of the information that I may have missed or gotten wrong in the inset text below. Since the Bay Area Public School and Sudo Room may (or may not) imminently be moving to the Omni or other location, a new list has been created to further discussion and coalition-building that will continue to take place in the current space at http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/hall. This proposal, to be very clear, does not and will not interfere with any of those plans to move nor with plans to stay at the current location decided by the collective of collectives. Below are the notes regarding how much the southern section of the 2143-2145 Broadway have been rented for in the past, how much they're willing to rent each room individually, the whole floor as a whole, and a graduated occupancy/rate proposal that gives time to attract other potential collaborators visiting the space, and getting a reduced price for the rental of that whole section of $6,500/month for 3 months. Otherwise, according to the proposal discussed, rental of the floor will go up to the market rental price of $8,500 at the end of that 3 months. The other option that has been discussed is putting together a co-op sale where groups and individuals can buy equity in that section of the building, either as a real estate transaction, or as crowd-funding equity shares. Group and individual ownership will participate in any profits and in the governance of the building. Peer Production / Sudo Hall The resulting community will be provisionally called Peer Production. In order to honor the pivotal role that Sudo Room and the other people that first moved into this building have accomplished for the community, the proposed discussion list will be called Sudo Hall. It will also be a priority of the Peer Production project to reach out to the innovative and inspiring stories of the other tenants that are already in the building - including Sound Room, Uptown Kitchen, Yummmeee, and the Pan Theater, among others. In terms of values, integrating with the community we're in and remaining inclusive to attract a broad spectrum of types of people will take priority over political posturing and ideological orthodoxy. The community invitation to join is intended to be welcoming to for-profit, non-profit, small partnership, crowd-fund equity start-up, cooperative corporation, and any other structure under which people best think they can get done what they want to achieve. The objective of Peer Production {Sudo Hall} still aspires to the core of Sudo Room's early description: Doing stuff together to make our community more openly accessible. Peer Production, I believe, is the common thread of the innovative and socially conscious projects that have emerged. If you'd like to talk about this further or just find out what's going on - you can join the Sudo Hall mailing list at http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/hall. We'll take it offline from the sudo-discuss list, but I just wanted to let folks know that this discussion just got started. First order of business is getting more photos and more data about the place. Sudo Room has started a good page at https://sudoroom.org/wiki/2141_Broadway and hopefully there can be more valuable and useful information that will be available through Peer Production and Sudo Hall. > 2135-2143 Broadway > Dec. 6, 2013. 5pm. > > George Rosen. > Matt Senate. > Eddan Katz. > > ---- > Sudo-Hall > > University used to pay $14,000 for the whole floor. > EBMC paid $6,500. 8% annual increase. > > Sudo Room. $1500 > Robert. $1,000 > Dance Studio. $1,100 > Public School. $950. > Room next to it. $950. > Yellow Room $2,500. > Corner Room. $2,200. (access to roof). > > total now at $8,500. > willing to do $6,500. > > > ---- > extra notes > building $5.3 million. > 1.2 million fees. > > Buy - income stream. $4 million for whole building. > > losing $65,000 per year by them being empty. > > $1 million selling price for Sudo Hall wing. > > > Need to do pictures of rooms. & sq. ft. > send photos. > Non-profit rental. > > $6,500 x 3 mos. > whole floor - to start with - $13,000. >

11 years, 10 months

Happy t shirts and decentralized sudoroom processes

by Romy Ilano

I'm happy that the t shirt idea is spawning all sorts of creative designs! It's like a github source code. Everyone is tweaking the idea I'm excited to see what weird creative things happen next Thanks sudoroom. ! Sent from my iPhone

11 years, 10 months

Tmrw (12/21): Today We Learned: Weekly open, chill co-learning at Sudo Room from 2-5PM

by Marina Kukso

Hi everyone, Tomorrow (and every Sat.) from 2-5PM at Sudo Room <http://sudoroom.org>we'll be doing "Today We Learned <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_We_Learned>," weekly, open, super chill co-learning. What is co-learning? It means that you bring something you're working on or something you want to learn more about, maybe some other folks are interested in it as well and want to collaborate, or maybe you see what someone else is working on and want to help with that. Well what can you bring to learn about? Anything! One time when we were doing a similar event at LOL space <http://oaklandmakerspace.wordpress.com>, someone brought a broken clock and we tried to figure out how to fix it. Many times folks work on programming stuff. Sometimes we follow rabbit trails and try to explain and understand things like "well how do computers really work." If it's a thing to learn, we can learn it. We also have a projector set up if anyone wants to demo anything - anything - so you should feel free to bring something that you'd like to share. See you tomorrow! Marina

11 years, 10 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] 2nd OMNI trip: Thursday 3:30pm TOMORROW

by David Keenan

Newly-updated list of attendees tomorrow: *Sudo Room*: Max Klein, Matt Senate, Jordan Cohen *SALTA*: Sarah Pritchard *Bay Area Public School*: Alana Siegel, Lara Durback, and I Margit Galanter (dancer) Liz Leger (visual artist) Ali Tonak (activist) Katherine Harr (tenants' rights activist) Best, David

11 years, 10 months

Proposal to Galvanize

by Matthew Senate

Hey all, I have a proposal I'd like some feedback on and to discuss at the next meeting at the public school this Thursday (7pm right?) *Proposal: * Out of the attendees of these meetings (including folks on the list below), to find some number of interested collectives, individuals, organizations, small businesses, etc to rent the $900-$950 / mo. office adjacent to the Bay Area Public School (BAPS), sharing the common space with BAPS and the Sudo Room at 2141 Broadway in Oakland. For instance, at ~18 equal parties, this room can be rented for $50 / mo. I am personally interested in coordinating several folks to use part of the space as "sudo coworking" with a few small desks for individual work. The intention of this rental is multiple-fold: * To no longer delay in solidifying collaboration between various groups--i.e. for other folks to join BAPS and the Sudo Room by sharing space now. * To commit to investing (minimally) financially in a venture that requires communication, collaboration, and sharing. * To engage in a learning experience about our ability to co-operate and grow. * To provide an opportunity to groups that currently do not have a space to galvanize their community. * To be able to fruitfully engage in a comparison between various group rental options including The Omni, 8th and Alice, and even 2141 Broadway. https://sudoroom.org/wiki/The_Omni https://sudoroom.org/wiki/8th_and_Alice https://sudoroom.org/wiki/2141_Broadway https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Spaces *List (in no particular order):* - * Timeless infinite light<http://space.sudoscience.org/index.php/Possible_Groups#Timeless_infinite_li…> - * sudo mesh<http://space.sudoscience.org/index.php/Possible_Groups#sudo_mesh> - * Prelinger Library<http://space.sudoscience.org/index.php/Possible_Groups#Prelinger_Library> - * Local Flavor<http://space.sudoscience.org/index.php/Possible_Groups#Local_Flavor> - * Planting Justice<http://space.sudoscience.org/index.php/Possible_Groups#Planting_Justice> - * Spokeland<http://space.sudoscience.org/index.php/Possible_Groups#Spokeland> - * Fix-It Clinic<http://space.sudoscience.org/index.php/Possible_Groups#Fix-It_Clinic> - * CorpWatch<http://space.sudoscience.org/index.php/Possible_Groups#CorpWatch> - * Sudo Co-Working<http://space.sudoscience.org/index.php/Possible_Groups#Sudo_Co-Working>

11 years, 10 months

Fwd: [Double-Union] DU partnership with Lesbians Who Tech (and the people who love them)

by Marina Kukso

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lillie Chilen <lillie.chilen(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM Subject: [Double-Union] DU partnership with Lesbians Who Tech (and the people who love them) To: doubleunion(a)lists.doubleunion.org Double Union is partnering with an awesome organization, Lesbians Who Tech, to get the word out for their first summit<http://lesbianswhotech.org/summit/>, this February 28th in San Francisco. They're offering Double Union members and friends a 25% discount for tickets with the code LWTDU. The event is open to queer women and the people who love them, so feel free to share the discount code with other technically-inclined people who you think could benefit! More details + registration: http://lesbianswhotech.org/summit/ All the best, Lillie -- Lillie Chilen @lilliealbert ('li-lee shuh-'leen) _______________________________________________ Doubleunion mailing list Doubleunion(a)lists.doubleunion.org http://lists.doubleunion.org/listinfo.cgi/doubleunion-doubleunion.org

11 years, 10 months

Is anyone else on Diaspora (social network)? I am romyilano

by Romy Ilano

https://joindiaspora.com/u/romyilano Is anyone else on the social network Diaspora? As we recall, this was developed at Noisebridge and was indirectly involved in another unfortunate suicide =( I'd like to get going on this social network again. If you are interested in connection, please get in touch.

11 years, 10 months

meeting inside the actual sudoroom last night + the new guy's points

by Romy Ilano

hi, i actually enjoyed the meeting last night that was inside the physical SudoRoom. It was nice! it was a lot warmer, more intimate, and it was cool to just be around SudoRoom "stuff". I think the new guy, he was in the neighborhood, and he made some good points about trying to show people the value of actually going to SudoRoom. I think we have to somehow redo some of the page, make the benefits more graphical and tangible. Instead of mentioning an RFID key in dense wiki text, we need to show someone using it and then entering the building, someone in a situation where they are bored on a Sunday morning and "just happen to be in the neighborhood" with tons of plywood! =D I'll get to work on it later this week. ============================= Romy Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com

11 years, 10 months

Why Is Processed Food So Bad for You?

by Romy Snowyla

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3747105/ Why Is Processed Food So Bad for You? The Blog Michael HobbesAug 13, 2013 I make a mean marinara sauce. I sauté onions, garlic and bacon (yes, bacon) for 10 minutes until they sweeten and become crisp, then add a big glass of red wine, a can of chopped tomatoes and generous pinches of salt, basil, oregano and rosemary. Then I leave the room. When I come back two hours later, the sauce is thick, sweet and almost purple. I throw in a handful of fresh basil leaves -- done. I've been thinking a lot about my marinara this week because I've been reading Michael Moss's Salt, Sugar, Fat: How the Food Giants Tricked Us. Company after company, product after product, Moss shows how Big Food formulates products for maximum addictiveness and overeatability. Oreos, Cheetos, Lunchables, Wonder Bread, they're all the same Iowa corn and Brazilian sugarcane, just liquefied, dyed and processed into different shapes and colors. The same week I read Moss's book cataloguing how Big Food is trying to kill us, I read David H. Freedman's Atlantic cover story about how it's also going to save us all. According to Freedman, big food companies -- the same ones Moss accuses of nutritional euthanasia -- are actually de-fatting, de-sugaring and de-salting their products one by one. McDonald's is using whole-wheat buns, Cargill is selling a fullness-inducing tapioca starch, Stevia is everywhere. It's a great article, and Freedman's butchering of sacred foodie cows (Michael Pollan! Farmer's markets! Granola!) is both essential and effective. But when it comes to his core argument, that America's obesity problem is going to be solved by better processed food and bigger corporations, I'm not convinced. That's not because I think it's impossible to make a healthier Oreo or Pepsi or Lunchable -- it wouldn't actually be all that hard. Nope, corporations won't make us healthier because capitalism makes it impossible for them to do so. Bear with me, I'll explain. 1. Scale, Speed And Shelf Life Let's say I want to start selling my marinara, and I want to turn it into an industrial food megabrand -- another Ragu, Hot Pockets, Lean Cuisine. The first thing I have to do is make it in huge batches and make each of those batches taste the same. No more willy-nilly tossing of spices, no more adding whatever veggies are in the fridge. I need to standardize every single element, from the weight of the onions to the heat under the pot. To keep costs down, maybe I cut the simmering time in half, use salt instead of hours to make the flavors come out. Moss notes that herbs are up to 10 times more expensive than salt in industrial cooking, so that's the first no-brainer modification. The next problem is shelf life. Those Lunchables might look all crisp and fresh when you grab them out of the refrigerated aisle, but they sat around at room temperature for at least two months before they got there. Warehouses, wholesalers, truck beds, stockrooms, my marinara is going to need a lot of help not to go bad in all that time. That means preservatives (most of which, according to Moss, are derivatives and modifications of salt), chemicals, coloring agents to save my marinara's magenta as it trundles across the country. So now my sauce has been made in huge batches, jarred, shipped and shelved. It's in the supermarket aisle. I win! But wait. Thanks to all the preservatives and additives, my marinara tastes like an old sock. I go back to my simmering pot, add a glob of vegetable oil, a dash -- OK, a deluge -- of high fructose corn syrup, some thickeners and emulsifiers so it has that pasta sauce-y texture, and it's ready for the store again. Before I grew up and started cooking, I thought the pasta sauce I bought at the store was the same as the one I could make on the stove. I was just paying a bit extra so a factory worker somewhere did the chopping, seasoning and simmering for me. This is how our economy is supposed to work, right? I don't knit my own clothes, I don't build my own house, I don't weld my bike together from parts. Why should food be any different? There's a scene in Moss's book where he goes to a Cargill facility and they make him a slice of industrial-scale bread without any salt. The texture, the taste, the color, everything is wrong, Moss says. It tastes like a piece of tin foil. This scene confused me. When I make bread at home, I use about half a teaspoon of salt for an entire loaf. If you cut the salt out of my homemade bread, yeah, it's bland and a bit puffier (Alton Brown teaches us that salt counteracts the effectiveness of yeast), but it's still bread, not some horrifying replicant. But my bread, the one I spend the better part of a day kneading and proofing, is stale before I can eat about half of it. Wonder Bread, with 27 ingredients, half a teaspoon of sugar and 7 percent of your daily allowance of salt in every slice, lasts on the shelf for two weeks. Processed food isn't bad for you because the products -- pasta sauce, macaroni and cheese, white bread -- are inherently sweet and salty. It is bad for you because it is inherently industrial. Supermarket supply chains are long, slow and and unforgiving, which means everything you buy at one has to be made in massive batches, perfectly standardized, capable of sitting at room temperature in a glass jar or plastic bag for months on end. If you took that kind of abuse, you'd need chemical assistance too. 2. It's the Capitalism, Stupid My marinara sauce is now mass-produced, shelf-stable and OK-tasting. Sure, it's got some extra salt and sugar, but it's still one of the healthier brands on the shelves. The only problem is, no one is buying it. Every other brand of pasta sauce at the supermarket has way more sugar and fat than my sauce, and they taste way better. To get people to switch to my sauce, I'm going to have to add even more sweeteners (sugar) and flavor enhancers (salt). One of the most tragic sequences in Moss's book is the story of Kraft in the early 2000s. The company, reeling with power from its huge market share in cereal (Raisin Bran), cookies (Oreos) and packaged pastas (the eponymous mac and cheese), started taking health and nutrition much more seriously. It added extra labels (alongside the minuscule USDA-mandated serving sizes, it listed nutrition facts for the whole package) and stealthily reduced the salt, sugar and fat in its most popular products. It even cut the calories in Oreos and started selling them in 100-calorie packs. And then Hershey's invaded. Starting in 2003, the chocolate company launched a line of S'mores cookies that were fatter and sweeter than Kraft's newly trimmed-down Oreos. Kraft started to lose market share. It had no choice but to retaliate. And that's how we got Banana Split Cream Oreos, Dairy Queen Blizzard Creme Oreos and Triple Double Oreos. They tasted better than normal Oreos, they had more sugar and fat and, not coincidentally, they sold better. Does Hershey's even make cookies anymore? The story of Kraft is one of the reasons I find Freedman's "How Junk Food Can End Obesity" article so unconvincing. All of the major food companies -- from Pepsi and General Mills right down the line to Monsanto -- are publicly traded. They're big, they're multinational, they're corporations. This means the only thing that matters to them is profits. This isn't a normative description or a moral judgment, it's just a factual description of their corporate form. In a dilemma between earning more profit and protecting public health, profit will win. In a dilemma between earning more profit and anything, profit will win. Again, not a judgment, just a description. Freedman profiles the Carl's Jr. Charbroiled Atlantic Cod Fish Sandwich, a not-fried, not-sugared, not-terrible-for-you sandwich sharing menu space with fries and sodas. With the right marketing, the right "Would you like to try" push from employees, America might just start eating it. And, Freedman argues, just might get a little slimmer, a little healthier. That's a nice scenario, and it might even happen, and yay if it does. But Freedman doesn't walk us through the scenario where Wendy's or Burger King launches a similar fish burger, one that's fried, salted and sugared, that has triple the tartar sauce, that because of these modifications tastes better. What can Carl's Jr. do except retaliate in kind? Two years ago, the New Yorker ran a feature detailing how Pepsi (and its subsidiary, Frito-Lay) were launching a "we're healthy now" makeover. Less sugar and salt, more vitamins and whole grains. They even hired a guy from the World Health Organization to implement his own science-backed health standards right through the soda-and-potato-chips family. And then, like Kraft before it, Pepsi buckled. The minute U.S. sales fell to third place (after Coke and -- the horror -- Diet Coke), Pepsi launched an all-hands-on-deck marketing campaign to go back to selling its old sugar water staple. Two years after the healthy makeover, Pepsi's CEO told shareholders, "We refocused our efforts on our key global brands and categories in our most important developed markets to drive profitable growth." This is annual report-ese for, "we marketed the hell out of our unhealthiest products." Pepsi traded the guy from the WHO for Beyoncé. The stock soared. And that's how it goes. Processed food companies are like drug addicts, promising "next time it'll be different, watch!" when they're euphoric on market share and rising stock prices. As soon as they crash back down, they're right back to their old habits: cheap sugar, loud marketing, bogus health claims. This is why Moss's book and, in a different way, Freedman's article are so depressing. Companies aren't evil, they're not greedy, they're not pernicious. They're just companies. As Moss points out, they're as addicted to crappy food as we are. Freedman's right that just because a food is "processed" doesn't necessarily mean its bad for you. And just because something is organic or local or homemade or "natural" doesn't mean its good for you. But I can't help but notice that a Starbucks muffin has 500 calories and that the one I make at home has 140. Ragu, the No. 1 pasta sauce in America, has almost nine teaspoons of sugar, more than a day's recommended amount of salt and as much fat as a milkshake in each jar. Freedman would probably point out that my marinara sauce is not particularly healthy (wine and bacon, after all, are just foodie forms of salt, sugar and fat) and, serving for serving, must be more expensive than $2-per-jar Ragu. He might argue that in a few years, Ragu or General Foods or Kraft will offer a pasta sauce that's nutritionally identical to mine, and that I'd be a snob not to buy it. And he might be right. But for now, neither of us can escape the reality that food, like everything else we buy, is designed to be cheap to make, to last forever and to taste better than the next product down the shelf. And also like everything else, after you buy it, you're on your own. For more by Michael Hobbes, click here. For more on diet and nutrition, click here. Sent from my iPhone

11 years, 10 months

Sudo Room Flyers

by Matthew Senate

Hey all, Created a Flyers page on the wiki, let me know if there is already a page of similar content that you know of! https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Flyers I listed a flyer I made that I've printed and taped up around sudo room to remind folks of the room's purpose and values. // Matt

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