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by Jake

Let's keep doing 7PM! There's still a lot to talk about around how to move forward. Please join! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 15:48:06 -0800 Subject: [sudo-discuss] 7PM 7PM important sudoroom meeting tonight at 7PM Yes let's go ahead and get started at 7PM instead of the usual time. Some of us meet in person and some join the meeting remotely through our Jitsi video link at this address: https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles -jake On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 15:29 Jemma Love via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: > Thank you for setting up the meeting Jake, and thank you Paige for sharing > the information. > > I am open to both proposals, 50/50 or 100%, as it will save the community > building and keep it community owned. I also like what Paige is suggesting > with a facilitated visioning session. > > I will only be able to spend an hour or two at tonights meeting. I'm in > the middle of a larger art project outside of Omni and need to get some > more work completed tonight. > > All the best, > Jemma > > On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 3:16 PM Paige P via sudo-discuss < > sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: > >> Anyone else in favor of doing this earlier this week? Given how long >> theyve been going? Maybe 7PM? >> >> >> The proposal Jemma said they're in favor of is on this doc, it is the top >> proposal labeled "Peoples Programs proposal for partnership with Omni >> Commons" >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wDzotx3D07brWXLkylRlSb9r_alI8fqaBFUDxki… >> It gives 100% ownership to PP, with them keeping Omni tenants/collectives >> in the building at current rent. >> >> Also, this is another proposal Yar put out that is not yet on the doc, >> with 50-50 ownership and more detail on roles and responsibilities >> >> "I am leaning towards a 50-50 split with some strong guarantees to >> prevent either party from unilaterally selling out, or from doing >> excessively risky things that risk our zoning, assembly rights, use >> permits, etc. >> >> For day to day operations, I would suggest that people's programs gets >> full control of at least the ballroom and entrance hall, while delegates >> control the current collectives' spaces, with a plan to re-negotiate later. >> >> When new groups are recruited and added, those groups should be mutually >> agreeable to both parties, with a strong understanding that we prioritize >> black and indigenous led groups. New groups will also get represented with >> delegates to Omni Commons. This will preserve the delegate assembly as a >> voice for tenants and projects, as envisioned by the PP proposal. Over >> time, omni delegates should also become less white dominated, or even >> majority black, while still maintaining a balance against centralization by >> one single group. I think this long term plan would address lingering >> concerns on all sides. >> >> PP would get income from events. OC would get income from tenants. Both >> could apply for grants and fundraise. Most of this money would probably go >> towards repairs and upgrades over the next few years. Both orgs would need >> to agree on a general outline for how the money gets spent, but PP could be >> entrusted with most of the details. >> >> Of course, any individual omni members would also be encouraged to >> directly join PP as volunteers. We might also agree on a pathway for omni >> people to be entrusted with building-related projects without needing to be >> invited to join PP membership or cadres using their existing channels. >> >> We should have a facilitated visioning session, in which the focus is >> building our shared understanding of what kind of future we want together. >> To find the positive and generative things we have in common, and the >> things we imagine and dream of." >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 2:47 PM Jake via sudo-discuss < >> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: >> >>> Note: see forwarded email below. >>> >>> Sudoroom should have a meeting tonight at 8PM, as we have been doing >>> recently >>> in these complicated times. Some of us meet in person and some join the >>> meeting remotely through our Jitsi video link at this address: >>> >>> https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles >>> >>> Since the below email was sent to the Consensus list (which is >>> subscription-only) I wanted to make sure sudoroom people could be aware >>> of it. >>> >>> Jemma can you please link us to the Peoples Programs proposal that >>> you're in >>> favor of? >>> >>> Also I want to clear up a misunderstanding. Silver did not start this >>> process >>> of Peoples Programs taking control of the Omni, that idea was brought up >>> by >>> Rafiq of CLP, at the same time as CLP was blocking Omni from allowing >>> TANC to >>> join as a member collective. I think it's clear that if TANC had been >>> allowed >>> to join Omni, we would have found a new lender by now and not been in >>> this >>> situation, especially if the boycott/embargo had not been introduced. >>> So in a >>> sense, CLP has forced us into this relationship which was their idea in >>> the >>> first place. >>> >>> I think it would be great if Peoples Programs wanted to run Omni in a >>> way that >>> was compatible with Sudoroom, but as much as I try to imagine that being >>> possible, I really don't believe it. I think we need to discuss the >>> possible >>> outcomes of the directions we're considering, and what we can do to >>> protect >>> our collective in case things don't turn out the way you are hoping they >>> will. >>> >>> -jake >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 12:03:50 -0800 >>> From: Jemma Love <codejems(a)gmail.com> >>> To: consensus <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org> >>> Subject: [omni-consensus] Reflections on a New Omni Commons >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I've been spending the last week reflecting on the conversations we've >>> been >>> having over the recent proposal brought to us from Peoples Programs. >>> First I >>> want to thank the many different voices which have given their time and >>> energy >>> into discussing the matters at hand, sharing their concerns and their >>> excitements about what this future could look like. I want to directly >>> thank a >>> few individuals who have helped to initiate this conversation and how >>> they >>> have added to our community space as a whole. >>> >>> I'd like to take a moment to thank Silver for their initiative in >>> starting the >>> work in community building and outreach with Peoples Programs, and from >>> what I >>> hear a lot of the initial work on getting this proposal started. As well, >>> because of Silver's recommendations we were able to bring in a few new >>> and >>> talented people into the paid structure of Omni Commons that have made >>> exceptional additions in making the community space more active. >>> >>> I want to thank Pallavi for coming in just after our last development and >>> grants fundraising person had left. Because of Pallavi's work in such a >>> short >>> time, just over a month, we have a proposal sitting in front of us today >>> that >>> allows for community ownership of the building, and not an anonymous >>> lender or >>> a bank. It is also my understanding that Pallavi has done a lot of work >>> in >>> making sure this proposal is as complete and thorough as can be and I >>> greatly >>> appreciate that work. >>> >>> When these discussions began I think I was coming at it from a place of >>> scarcity. Specifically, I was thinking how can we use our extremely >>> limited >>> resources to scrounge up some kind of way to save the building, what >>> options >>> are there for us to put things together, and if a new group like Peoples >>> Programs were to come in how could we even share the very limited space >>> and >>> resources that we have. I think I was wrong to come to these >>> conversations >>> within the mindset. After my reflections, I want to continue to move >>> forward >>> in an abundance mindset where I do my best to imagine what does the >>> future for >>> Omni potentially look like, including both the best and worst. I want to >>> think >>> of what liberation means for our community, and I want to reassess my >>> situation from an anti-racist perspective. >>> >>> In our last meeting Abbas mentioned an interview done by one of our >>> collectives, Liberated Lens. In that interview they review the process by >>> which the Holdout went through and how those spaces handled internal >>> issues. >>> Watching that part of the interview, I felt very much like I was looking >>> in a >>> mirror with Omni Commons, and it made me feel uncomfortable that we >>> could be >>> going down a similar path. I think there is room for me as an elected >>> leader >>> in our community as SudoRoom's delegate to help to navigate us away from >>> making those same mistakes, and it is for that reason that I do support >>> the >>> current proposal being brought to us from Peoples Programs. >>> >>>> From the Holdout to Quilombo and Afrikatown: an interview of Hannibal >>> Abdul Shakur. >>> Interview link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_STgWs6GlY >>> >>> In our last delegates meeting I heard many feelings shared with me about >>> how >>> things were discussed, especially how others saw comments directed >>> towards me. >>> I want to address that. I am a queer, kinky, neurodivergent little >>> queerdo. I >>> am an easy target if anyone wants to easily attack me as a person. In >>> that >>> same vein, I was never personally attacked by Abbas or any other member >>> of >>> Peoples Programs in any of our conversations last Thursday. What Abbas >>> and >>> others addressed when we were in that meeting were the matters at hand, >>> and >>> they did so directly and peacefully. I can understand why this may make >>> people >>> uncomfortable. Hearing positions that disagree and hearing them not said >>> in >>> the softest of ways can be hard, but at no point do I feel like Abbas was >>> unkind towards me. After the meeting we were able to shake hands, I >>> apologized >>> for my fumbles in my language and actions, and he openly invited me out >>> to >>> their event that night (I didn't make it as I stayed talking with folks >>> until >>> almost 1:30AM). To me, this shows a group leader who is walking the >>> walk, and >>> not just talking the talk. >>> >>> As it stands, our decision making structures within Omni and our ability >>> to >>> locate information are not working as effectively as they could be. Since >>> before the current proposal I have been making these complaints for >>> myself, >>> and as we started to really dig into this proposal I was truly worried I >>> would >>> not be able to continue my duties as a delegate, limited as they may be, >>> and >>> strongly considered stepping down. At this point, I'm glad I didn't. It >>> is >>> time something at Omni did begin to change so we can better address the >>> needs >>> of the community as a whole. >>> >>> There are still many conversations to be had with Peoples Programs. I >>> still >>> believe some comments were inappropriate in other meetings, and that >>> there may >>> be some difficult decisions coming where we disagree with each other, >>> but I >>> want those discussions to come from a place of understanding. I do not >>> want to >>> talk past one another and I want to bring in the healing that our >>> community as >>> a whole needs to make the next steps for a community owned New Omni >>> Commons. >>> >>> Once again, thank you everyone who has volunteered your time to talk >>> with me >>> and bring forward your thoughts and ideas. Let us continue these >>> conversations >>> with peace, love, and openness for us all and continue to push forward >>> for a >>> better and more liberated world. >>> >>> Much love and seasons greetings, >>> Jemma Love >>> SudoRoom Delegate >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>> More options at >>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at >> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org > More options at > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >

2 years, 1 month

Stepping Down as Delegate

by Jemma Love

Hello all, Coming out of vacation I'm realizing I do not have the ability to perform delegate role and take care of myself. I will need to step down and I am happy to assist in any kind of transfer required. I'll be at the SudoRoom meeting tomorrow and I am happy to help answer any questions for anyone who is interested in taking on the role and I will aid in any kind of transfer to the best of my ability. I will also be attending the accountability meeting coming up this weekend and it would be great to have more sudoroom folks come out as well. Wishing you all the best, Jemma Love

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Hey can you guys see two t-shirts here?

by Romy Mimi Ilano

https://www.zazzle.com/collections/sudoroom_hackerspace_t_shirts-1197353909… *Romy Mimi Ilano* *romy.ilano(a)gmail.com <romy.ilano(a)gmail.com>*

2 years, 1 month

building to-dos

by Paige P

Hey, Im around most of today and free later this week if anyone can help me with some building todos. For sudo room, we need to rehang the tarp and funnel it into something. for the rest of the building, we have some fire inspection requests that we are chipping away at but could use help with and donations for materials. Whats left are hanging/wiring 1 more exit sign, making more legit looking or buying some "not an exit signs", putting stair grip tape on all stairs in omni, and repairing/remounting some doors. There is a detailed list I can share upon request. Thanks, Paige

2 years, 1 month

Re: [omni-consensus] 1/5/24 Accountability Meeting

by Angela Miller

here's a potentially useful resource: https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1t5VA9aPBnh_Za0hrRS2rQ6buvOEewPiKJnq… https://www.alternativejustices.com/ On Tue, Jan 2, 2024, 1:00 PM Z Silver Zahn <natashazahn27(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Reminder this upcoming Friday all members of collectives are invited to a > facilitated accountability meeting. January 5th, Friday 6pm to 9pm at Omni > Commons. > > YOU’RE INVITED : We are hosting a huge meeting again for all members and > collectives to talk about what is not working and how we can move forward > with making our decision of how we will move forward with our upcoming > foreclosure. We can also move forward talking about our status of boycott > and talking about the harm we have caused and received at Omni Commons. > > > [image: Omni Commons (1).jpg] > > > _______________________________________________ > consensus mailing list > consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org > https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/consensus >

2 years, 1 month

Did you guys know we have a SudoRoom T shirt????

by Romy Ilano

https://www.zazzle.com/sudoroom_love_cube_t_shirt-235073000373775635 it's 20% off today. I'm inbetween jobs but I would usually just print a bunch up and give them as gifts! ============================= Romy Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com

2 years, 1 month

January 2 - hey are folks coming to the hardware hacking tonight? I have a meetup event up

by Romy Ilano

https://www.meetup.com/sudoroom/events/297937833/ I have a meetup event up for 8pm. Is anyone going tonight? I can take it down... I'd like to go but am on the fence not sure if people are going to show up. I realized that the sewing room has an event up so I'm leaning towards going. ============================= Romy Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com

2 years, 1 month

Racism at last night's meeting

by Yardena Cohen

At last night's sudoroom meeting, we were joined by omni's development director. We spent the first 45 minutes arguing over whether to kick her out of the meeting, because some anonymous person raised an anonymous concern. What was the concern? Because her family members had worked with People's Programs. And because last time she raised a point about racial equity and someone felt that she was accusing people of racism. It's incredible to me that people don't see how racist this is. How are you going to move to a community and then treat someone with SUSPICION for having personal ties to other people who grew up here??? No matter what you think of PP's politics on their blog and twitter, you have to accept that this group mostly grew up in Oakland, and people are going to know each other. Local ties and allegiances and face to face interactions are always going to be a counter force against Internet abstractions. That's one of the beautiful things about having a local community. Someone literally offered this heuristic: we should only have people in the meeting who are "more connected to sudoroom than people programs". Really think about what this means. A decision making process needs to prioritize the voices of people whose allegiance is predetermined because they didn't grow up here?? And exclude everyone else? I must beg this community to stop falling into these kinds of patterns of fear and insularity which DIRECTLY perpetuate white supremacy. At this point I don't care what anybody's intention was. It was an incredibly damaging path for sudoroom to be taken down.

2 years, 1 month

[omni-consensus] Decision Making & Accountability (fwd)

by Jake

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2024 00:43:24 -0800 From: We Are The Ones <wevebeenwaitingforus(a)gmail.com> To: consensus <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org> Subject: [omni-consensus] Decision Making & Accountability I have a few thought sto share on decision making and accountability *Decision Making* *“A do-ocracy is an organizational structure in which individuals choose roles and tasks for themselves and execute them. In do-ocracy, everyone does jobs that they think need to be done, without everyone’s input. In a do-ocracy, whoever does the job gets it, regardless of their qualifications or skill level.”* While this decision-making model may have been effective in the past, it is not a suitable model for Omni's current challenges.* Horizontal Leadership requires Horizontal Accountability*, and the latter part does not really seem to be happening. Rotating delegates pass the buck onto the next person with little to no investment other than being physically (or digitally) present. Too many things have fallen thru the cracks and piled up over time and now were scrambling to create high-stakes solutions using a very casual low-stakes decision making model. These next couple of months are too crucial to leave high level items up in the air or completely swept under the rug. My suggestion is to create an interim-committee of super delegates dedicated to participating in every stage of the foreclosure & accountability processes. The committee should be open to any members or volunteers who have a vested interest in Omni's well being. This approach will provide a sense of focused structure, attention and organization that we urgently need right now. *Accountability * Accountability and foreclosure discussions must be prioritized together as they are interrelated. The boycott will continue to impact Omni’s ability to generate income even if a solution to the foreclosure is immediately found. There is a lot of energy behind foreclosure proposals, and not nearly enough energy toward accountability and call-outs of racism. Omni needs to develop a comprehensive roadmap demonstrating a commitment to becoming actively anti-racist. The addition of hired BIPOC support, and the 3-hour Accountability Training this Friday are great steps in the right direction, but these alone will not be enough to repair past harm or prevent it moving forward. Please think of the historical implications of relying solely on BIPOC people to do the labor that feels unsettling or uncomfortable? The amount of emotional and mental labor it requires to engage in this space as a BIPOC person is incredibly exhausting. Compounded with the lack of collective action to change, it’s honestly no surprise to me why BIPOC people are in and out like a revolving door and quick to co-sign CLP's Boycott Campaign. I do see that a lot of individual people do care, and organizing that care into concrete collective action needs to happen next, and fast. The integrated version of John / Page / Silver’s 10/17 Boycott statement <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EvFSEvPpY1cCKHKLK1Pqh7f0_hs1NxNlp1_sNPl…> includes a comprehensive set of action items that should be considered. If youre wondering, a statement has not been put out yet because… do-ocracy. Any of these statements as-is would leave us open to more scrutiny and heat that we absolutely do not need. An impactful statement will: 1. Acknowledge our harm and wrong doings (some of these do) *without excuses * 2. Debunk any lies and misinformation with evidence and hard proof (Silver and Pivalli are already on this) 3. Show a commitment to changed behavior with a solid plan. (Decision Making) Hopefully after this weeks retreats we can walk away with a better idea of what is needed to move forward and take control of the narrative. I created an #anti-racist-work channel in slack <https://join.slack.com/share/enQtNjQxNDE5MzcwNTQ0NC1mNjM5NzE5NDQwZWVlZjA2M2…> so we can have a dedicated space for this on-going discussion. Please utilize this channel to discuss anti-racism, and share resources and literature for education, organize and make plans. There is no perfect way to do this work. Its important to understand that we are all at different levels of understanding and mistakes are bound to happen. Failure is the best teacher and it’s important to lean in with humility, compassion, and a willingness to learn and do better. I really hope that folks will heed these suggestions, take personal initiative and be proactive in engaging others in this critical work XO, G -- DJ Guardian Guerrilla Pump (G) ⁣ call/text: 619.962.4731 ⁣ wevebeenwaitingforUS@gmail.com⁣ Tune In: https://linktr.ee/guerrillapump Marketing & Outreach at @currents.fm <http://instagram.com/currents.fm> guerrilla@currents.fm⁣ www.currents.fm⁣ ⁣ Marketing Support at @omni.commons⁣ <http://instagram.com/omni.commons> www.omnicommons.org⁣ Resident DJ & Events at @hella_pinay <http://instagram.com/hella_pinay> www.hellapinay.com/radio ⁣ West Coast Regional Director @ STARR NYC (est. 1969⁣) www.strategictransalliance.org⁣ ⁣ Co-Founder @ We Are The Ones⁣ @wearetheonesweevebeenwaitingfor⁣ <http://instagram.com/wearetheoneswevebeenwaitingfor> Artists creating from the margins for cultural r/evolution. 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2 years, 1 month

nonviolent communication resource

by Angela Miller

hi all, just want to share this amazing resource. it's a pdf version of nonviolent communication by marshall rosenberg. please download, read, and spread the compassion. download directly from my google drive: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k6y362kz2DH6oasCmIolYFUeEGnWY26M/view?usp=… first few chapters available online on google books: https://books.google.com/books?id=A3qACgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=g… love, angela

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