I was thinking that it might be useful to have some of the Sudo Room projects have their own office. So all the documents, mailing list archives, and sections of the wiki relevant to that group can be made easily accessible. It could also be used to join in people remotely for the weekly meetings. Each room could have information that could be made available at different layers of permission according to role - so someone can come into a meeting that is a public meeting, but can't mess around with the etherpad or other trolling behavior.
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On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sudo folk.
>>
>> As we're on the subject of expanding space, I wanted to let everyone know that I've negotiated 3 months free rent for an entire floor at MyaaWorld (http://www.myaa.com/myaa-world). I need some help re-configuring it to look just like our 'real life' space. I met with one of the principals today and they'd be very eager for Sudo Room to really make use of the floor. It seemed to me like they'd be willing to offer us a great long-term deal, if people were into bartering their skills and services.
>>
>> It's a virtual office space, with standard office services. I've opened up an office for eddan.com on the Myaa Legal floor. If you'd like to schedule a meeting to talk about legal stuff - we can close the 'office door' for a meeting, share and edit documents collaboratively.
>>
>> The Sococo platform it's on, by the way, just released their iPhone app yesterday. So I'll be in the office all day - let me know if you want to schedule something.
>>
>> -Eddan
>>
>> sent from eddan.come
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Hi Sudo folk.
As we're on the subject of expanding space, I wanted to let everyone know that I've negotiated 3 months free rent for an entire floor at MyaaWorld (http://www.myaa.com/myaa-world). I need some help re-configuring it to look just like our 'real life' space. I met with one of the principals today and they'd be very eager for Sudo Room to really make use of the floor. It seemed to me like they'd be willing to offer us a great long-term deal, if people were into bartering their skills and services.
It's a virtual office space, with standard office services. I've opened up an office for eddan.com on the Myaa Legal floor. If you'd like to schedule a meeting to talk about legal stuff - we can close the 'office door' for a meeting, share and edit documents collaboratively.
The Sococo platform it's on, by the way, just released their iPhone app yesterday. So I'll be in the office all day - let me know if you want to schedule something.
-Eddan
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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Romy Ilano <romy(a)snowyla.com> wrote:
> - Could we have a rule of SudoRoom members not interacting with him?
Who is this rule for? Do you appreciate the actual problem? He
literally has a habit of going up to people using the bathroom and
yelling at them through the door.
I don't want SR to move either.
I spoke with Steve, the CL poster, and he said 3:30 would be best to meet
up and show the space.
Morten, Andrew, Ray, David, and anyone else who would like to check it out,
let's meet at 3:30 at 1924 Franklin (in front of the CoCo Cafe)!
Jenny
http://jennyryan.nethttp://thepyre.orghttp://thevirtualcampfire.orghttp://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Ray Lai <raymond.wm.lai(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Yup. I am available. :)
>
>
> Raymond Lai
> Ice Cream Man
> Atomic Ice Cream
> Facebook.com/MotoAtomico
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jenny,
>
> I want to clarify i'm down to go over there today at 3pm. Can I get the
> number to call and confirm? Also Ray, are you available today at 3pm?
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> These are all really valuable points.
>>
>> However, I think it is important to explore opportunities when they
>> arise, and would like to suggest some folks check the space out ASAP and
>> give the rest of us a report-back.
>>
>> The first available slot is tomorrow between 3-4pm. I will unfortunately
>> be working at that time, but whoever is available and interested please
>> email me tonight/tomorrow morning and I will send along the cell # to call.
>>
>> They are also available to show the space Sunday between 10-11am, and
>> Monday-Friday afternoons and some evenings. I am down for a Thursday
>> afternoon tour, and if I don't get any replies back for tomorrow, I'll try
>> to schedule a Thursday tour between 3-4pm.
>>
>> Re: issues with the landlord: Matt, Jordan, Andrew and myself (as far as
>> I'm aware, but I'm sure there are others) have buffered the community from
>> most of George's incorrigible behavior (I've been yelled at for things
>> sudoers have not even been around to do more times than I can count) -
>> though, granted, we have also put him through what I'm sure is unexpected
>> turbulence - but it should also be noted for the record that his rapport
>> with the EAST BAY *MEDITATION* CENTER was horrible enough to warrant them
>> moving out on bad terms.
>>
>> Andrew's suggestion re: a revision of the contract is a good one, but I
>> have the feeling it wouldn't do much to change deeply-embedded behavior
>> patterns. We are growing too large for the space, regardless, and I also
>> think it could be a great opportunity for a serious crowdfunding campaign.
>>
>> In love and solidarity,
>> Jenny
>>
>> Jenny
>> http://jennyryan.net
>> http://thepyre.org
>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>
>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>> -Laurie Anderson
>>
>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>> it."
>> -Hannah Arendt
>>
>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Tommy York <tommy.york(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I completely understand why members in this thread want to move into a
>>> new space, both for the comments from the landlord and for other reasons as
>>> well (moar space!), but I'd definitely like to advocate that we proceed
>>> with due diligence. Matt mentioned trying to start a process where we
>>> continually understand the real estate market and what our options are...
>>> With that in mind, maybe we can figure out a process where:
>>>
>>> - we try to evaluate as many different spaces as possible, based on
>>> criteria determined by consensus, and in those criteria...
>>> - determine what's financially feasible, at what time period, with what
>>> funding, etc. Rusty recently sent out that survey recently about funding,
>>> and the few responses I read weren't at significantly higher price points,
>>> though our questions centered around reserves.
>>>
>>> I suppose that I see the comments from the landlord as a potential
>>> additional reason to re-evaluate the space, but not one minimally
>>> sufficient to immediately relocate.
>>>
>>> As Bill mentioned, it'd be great to form some kind of exploratory
>>> committee with the Public Schools. There's a lot of available commercial
>>> space out there, and it'd be great to try and evaluate as much as we can.
>>>
>>> If anything, this thread demonstrates that we have a lot of leverage in
>>> the management of the space. We could probably leave pretty easily, and
>>> it's likely that group consensus would be okay with that. At the very, very
>>> least, we need to ask that he respectfully talk to our members. Or, for
>>> that matter, guests of our members. You know, people. As for his
>>> conservative ideas about gender, a conversation with him when he's not in
>>> rant-mode really might help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------
>>> Thomas Riley York (杨德民) 510.926.0510
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Sam Tepper <sam.tepper(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Regarding our budget, I think that members in the past were expected to
>>>> pay more, and if asked, many would be willing to pay more if it were for a
>>>> good investment. Having a better deal on more space does seem to make
>>>> sense to me, if we can be sure it meets all our needs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Aestetix:
>>>>>
>>>>> There have been other issues. I am wary of listing them out, but like
>>>>> I said they all surround having no clear boundaries and expectations and
>>>>> his communication style of just saying whats on his mind, maybe throwing in
>>>>> a threat, and then leaving.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think though in general we have been thinking about looking for a
>>>>> new (bigger) space for awhile. No time like the present to start shopping
>>>>> around. If we find something that fits in the budget and is close to bart
>>>>> why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> --Andrew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:19 PM, aestetix <aestetix(a)aestetix.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, a move is a pretty big step. Have there been any other issues with
>>>>>> the landlord? I do agree that gender sensitivity is important, and yet
>>>>>> if there aren't any other complaints, I wonder if it's something we
>>>>>> could work out with him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/23/13 5:17 PM, William Budington wrote:
>>>>>> > We should bring this up with The Public School as well, and see if
>>>>>> > they might be willing to move with us. I'm sure the situation with
>>>>>> > George is troublesome for them, too.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Bill
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 04/23/2013 05:01 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote:
>>>>>> >> This looks like an amazing opportunity. Nice catch, Ray!
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I just sent them an email on behalf of sudo room, asking if we
>>>>>> >> could set up a time to tour the space, meet the landlord, and
>>>>>> >> discuss compatibility.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> We're currently paying $2/sqft, so this could be ideal. Marc has
>>>>>> >> also been looking into potential spaces that are zoned for bio
>>>>>> >> research.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Jenny http://jennyryan.nethttp://thepyre.org
>>>>>> >> http://thevirtualcampfire.orghttp://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire
>>>>>> >> around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of
>>>>>> >> defining it." -Hannah Arendt
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane
>>>>>> >> Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Andrew
>>>>>> >> <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> WANT! Ray, can you email them?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Ray Lai
>>>>>> >>> <raymond.wm.lai(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> Disable our leaving the space, George!
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3734928687.html
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Franklin at 19th!
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> $1500 for 1100 square feet. Also in the classy building is a
>>>>>> >>>> whole floor 4200 square feet at .95/sq ft. Perhaps we can
>>>>>> >>>> inquire about part of the larger floor or arrange to share it
>>>>>> >>>> with Sudoers who need office space (RoShamBo, Atomic, et
>>>>>> >>>> al).
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Sudo room is its esteemed, talented, brilliant and diverse
>>>>>> >>>> members; not the space we chose to rent.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Land lords are reptiles.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Hack the marketplace!
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Raymond Lai Ice Cream Man Atomic Ice Cream
>>>>>> >>>> Facebook.com/MotoAtomico
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:22 AM, Andrew
>>>>>> >>>> <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> It's very difficult to have a landlord with no clear
>>>>>> >>>> boundaries. I get the feeling we are not the kind of tenants
>>>>>> >>>> he wants to be working with, or is capable of working with. I
>>>>>> >>>> have my own share of George stories.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> If we want to stay in the space, I would suggest that we be
>>>>>> >>>> proactive in getting him to modify the lease so that we can
>>>>>> >>>> all be on the same page with expectations. I think it's also
>>>>>> >>>> fair to say that we've pushed pretty hard on him as well with
>>>>>> >>>> what his expectation may have been for us, for example having
>>>>>> >>>> large events in the common area is no in the lease as far as
>>>>>> >>>> I know, but he has allowed it to happen, but because we don't
>>>>>> >>>> have an actual agreement hes coming back with arbitrary
>>>>>> >>>> enforcement of arbitrary rules.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> so we either:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> 1. move
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> or
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> 2. make sure that our expectations from and for the landlord
>>>>>> >>>> are in writing
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> or
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> 3. Continue to take his arbitrary rants at random members of
>>>>>> >>>> sudo room, and just placate (or ignore) him as much as
>>>>>> >>>> possible (what we are already doing).
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> --Andrew
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Gregg Horton
>>>>>> >>>> <greggahorton(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Then how is SR going to make a safe non-abusive space with
>>>>>> >>>>> this guy as landlord?
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Yardena Cohen
>>>>>> >>>>> <yardenack(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Romy Ilano
>>>>>> >>>>>> <romy(a)snowyla.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Could we have a rule of SudoRoom members not
>>>>>> >>>>>>> interacting with him?
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Who is this rule for? Do you appreciate the actual
>>>>>> >>>>>> problem? He literally has a habit of going up to people
>>>>>> >>>>>> using the bathroom and yelling at them through the door.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> I don't want SR to move either.
>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>>>>> >>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>>> >>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507
>>>>>> >>>> http://roshambomedia.com
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss
>>>>>> >>>> mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507
>>>>>> >>> http://roshambomedia.com
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss
>>>>>> >>> mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>>> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss
>>>>>> >> mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>>> >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss
>>>>>> > mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>> >
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Andrew Lowe
>>>>> Cell: 831-332-2507
>>>>> http://roshambomedia.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
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>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>
>
> --
> -------
> Andrew Lowe
> Cell: 831-332-2507
> http://roshambomedia.com
>
>
We have those four giant light-box-storage things cluttering up the
space. A few days ago I started preparing to hang them from the rear
wall. I got sort of derailed by drama and uncertainty, but I'm making
up my mind to continue acting like this space IS sudoroom until
further notice. That said, I need a few strong people to help me
finish the job. Anybody up for it? How about tomorrow night
before/during/after Hacky Happer Hour? Mostly you will need to hold
each one in place while I get the first screw in, and possibly also
the second.
i resurrect the proposal for a day hacking in a museum. it could be node,
it could be python...
i'm inspired because i saw a lot of node people doing hacking in the museum
in sf. i'd like for us to do it too!
==> problem - museums do cost money. I have a membership and can get people
in +1 ... maybe we can go on a free day... but those are crowded?
==> benefits - there's so muchs tuff like the history section of the
oakland museum. i could see how this dovetails nicely into the oakland wiki
group... how could you NOT be influenced by all the cool stuff going on
there?
==> potential solution to money issues - we could buy group tickets or talk
to the museum to get a special deal for our starving collective???
<3
I like meetings but I realized that if many people do not like meetings,
then it is partly our fault. yes ,meetings have to get done, but time is
precious.
i would like to help out with making meetings and cleaning less boring. ray
+ max have helped out a lot with bringing food, spicing things up!
for cleaning of natural decay--i propose we theme these as well.
we are theming our hacker happy hour for costume. i am hosting and will
wear a personally humiliating cosplay fanime outfit... so why not do this
for natural decay? anyone up for a french maid costume natural decay hour?
[image: Inline image 1]
I'm starting a thread for Jordan's reprap project to make her own 3D printer
Jordan is humble but she's one of the smartest and hardest working people at sudoroom
She does stuff . It's amazing
I want to cheer Jordan on with her rep rap project! I am excited about her 3D printing open source project
---
Romy Ilano
Founder of Snowyla
http://www.snowyla.com
romy(a)snowyla.com
Hello all! I'm emailing in response to all of your responses!
I think Aestetix made a really crucial point about Bike Smut seeking to
provide an alternative to exploitative pornography. Bike Smut is an
activist group that promotes sexual empowerment. Something that Aestetix
touched on, and that I really value, is that they approach their passions
through a show(ing) that is an act of radical free speech.
What is "child-friendly" is of course relative, so speak up anyone who has
an opinion on this. One important thing about proposing the event was that
we wanted to do it at a time generally associated with adult nightlife,
that being Friday Night.
I agree with //Matt et. al. that it should be obvious to anyone upon
entering 2141 that this event would be happening. Aesthetically-intriguing
and information-sufficient signage is an absolute must, and will be taken
care of. What would be the logistics of a curtain? I am intrigued..
I support all bouncers, mustachioed and otherwise.
Have I answered all questions? Are there more concerns?
