3 Oct
2022
3 Oct
'22
2:01 p.m.
I’m in favor.
It seems like a structurally sensible response to a genuine problem. I
don’t see the monetary element as penal: it seems like a reasonable
response if an area is unable to limit trash that can worsen the rodent
problem to require them to furnish funds to help mitigate the consequence
of that.
Also, I’m not concerned about the consequence because I don’t foresee us
reaching that point. We have issues with mess, but I think they’re largely
internal issues of organization, not the kind of mess that would affect the
rest of the building. Also, they seem to be getting a lot better. So if
they wanna have this power I don’t mind giving it to them because I don’t
plan to ever be on the receiving end of it.
I think this is a recurring theme: the delegates board proposes new powers
and people fret over the potential for abuse. It kind of seems like a
tempest in a teapot to me. If someone really wants to go powermad I think
they would have a very hard time doing it, so it matters little to me what
any petty tyrant might conceivably want to be able to do. No one can really
force us to give them money, and we rarely even have enough of it for
someone to take. And aren’t these the same people who’ve forgiven thousands
of dollars of our debt? It seems silly to worry about them financially
abusing us. Oh: and also the building might be repossessed in three months.
Ultimately, I just don’t feel strongly about this. But if it’s a big deal
to others, I don’t want to dismiss that. Can we suggest a compromise? A
limit of $20 per day? Would that be satisfactory to everyone?
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 5:31 PM E via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org>
wrote:
I've been coming to Sudoroom since 2017 but my
involvement has been more
intensive over the past few years. Honestly, cleaning and organizing our
space has been really rewarding for me. I feel like the effort I put into
making the space better directly correlates with more people showing up
each week and becoming Sudoroom members!
So far, I've linked up with two other Sudoroom members and we've agreed to
meet up weekly to work on the space. Other Omni members have noticed the
improvements and approached me about joining in on weekly maintenance
parties. These experiences give me conviction that cooperative action,
communication, and peer support are the way to improve both Sudoroom and
the Omni itself.
There is obviously still much more work to do, but we've improved so much
already! The needed work of cleaning and organizing is not hard per se but
it is work that is best shared. I am hopeful that the CAC will ultimately
do the sort of community building work that I am doing. I'm working to make
Sudoroom the best, most functional, and most welcoming hackerspace it can
be! I do this not because I'm being coerced or threatened with fines by
some would-be cleanliness enforcer but because I believe in the space, the
people, and the mission.
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On Sunday, October 2nd, 2022 at 4:01 PM, Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
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*Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
I want to point out that this shy person who
wrote this is a sudoroom
member
who has been putting TONS of work into cleaning
and organizing sudoroom
over
the past year, including helping me clean up a
really nasty rat corner.
-jake
On Sun, 2 Oct 2022, SudoVanta--- via sudo-discuss wrote:
> The proposal of fine-levying powers for the newly formed Cleanliness
Accountability Committee is ill-conceived. Levying, or threatening to levy
(symbolic and unenforceable), cash fines against individuals and
collectives at the Omni will not bring about cleaner spaces, greater
engagement or an atmosphere of collective support among our membership.
>
> I am completely in favor of organized cooperative efforts to improve
conditions at the Omni. However, the way to accomplish this is through
purposeful restorative organization and mutual support, not through the
establishment of a penal body charged with surveilling and making judgments
against our collectives and their membership.
>
> Why not first empower this newly formed group to earnestly apply only
nonviolent methods to realize their excellent purpose? Rashly burdening the
Cleanliness Accountability Committee with power over others will be
effective only in fostering an environment of score-keeping, conflict, and
disharmony among the people of the Omni.
>
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