25 Feb
2014
25 Feb
'14
1:57 p.m.
Hey all,
Whomever is bottomlining big or big-ish events at the space, needs to check
on the bathrooms during the event, and check on them after the event, and
if they are by some chance trashed, clean them.
Apparently the TP is sometimes running out during big events, causing
people to use paper towels or napkins or other things, which then clog the
toilets, which makes George really mad.
Specifically, this apparently happened during the Spied Upon event which I
bottomlined. Even though I cleaned the common area and took out the garbage
etc before and after, I neglected to check on the state of the bathrooms
(so that is totally on me).
What we need to start doing in my opinion is having some extra TP on hand
so we can pre-stock the bathrooms before large gatherings, so it does not
run out.
I also think if any one of us notices the bathrooms are messed up or out of
supplies, we should also tell the bottomliner of the event, or fix it
ourselves.
This is especially important to remember at the end of the night when
everyone is pooped and ready to head home: If you bottomline, check on the
bathrooms before you leave..
Best,
David
26 Feb
26 Feb
7:23 p.m.
Hi All.
I just got a whole other set of complaints from the landlords about the use of the common
area without regard for any other tenants in addition to this bathroom issue. I am still
on the lease and have been asking to be removed since August. I have been feeling quite
taken advantage of in continuously being told that my request will be honored onto after
month without any movement on it. Isn't there enough money in the bank for Sudo Room
to pay for insurance at this point? Is there some other reason I'm still on the lease?
I've tried to deal with this through Matt and despite his honest efforts, it keeps
getting stalled. After another round of landlord complaints this evening, I tried to talk
to some of the other Board members. While some expressed surprise that I was still on the
lease and others sought a means to remedy the situation, others were extremely rude,
expressing complete indifference and saying it was not their problem and that I was being
offensive. What!?! And then when I explained that I felt taken advantage of, was told
(without even looking up from the computer) that this was triggering and told to stop.
Look. I don't want to have any abrupt termination of the lease, but I've had more
than enough of the derision and indifference when I try to ask to be removed from the
lease. To be taunted for asking is outrageous.
Can we come up with a date by which we turn the lease over to Sudo Room?
sent from eddan.com
On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:57 PM, David Keenan
<dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
Whomever is bottomlining big or big-ish events at the space, needs to check on the
bathrooms during the event, and check on them after the event, and if they are by some
chance trashed, clean them.
Apparently the TP is sometimes running out during big events, causing people to use paper
towels or napkins or other things, which then clog the toilets, which makes George really
mad.
Specifically, this apparently happened during the Spied Upon event which I bottomlined.
Even though I cleaned the common area and took out the garbage etc before and after, I
neglected to check on the state of the bathrooms (so that is totally on me).
What we need to start doing in my opinion is having some extra TP on hand so we can
pre-stock the bathrooms before large gatherings, so it does not run out.
I also think if any one of us notices the bathrooms are messed up or out of supplies, we
should also tell the bottomliner of the event, or fix it ourselves.
This is especially important to remember at the end of the night when everyone is pooped
and ready to head home: If you bottomline, check on the bathrooms before you leave..
Best,
David
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8:42 p.m.
Hi Eddan,
I'm sorry you had to bear the wrath of the landlords - I also know what a
bummer that is. Would you mind terribly forwarding me or the list that
email from the landlords regarding the common space? As it sounds like
something we should all be aware of, and I didn't get it.
I actually wasn't aware that the insurance issue was directly tied to the
issue of who will go on/off the lease. The insurance is actually on me at
this point (for once, something is not matt's fault! ha) and I have been
totally lame in getting it finally sorted. Get mad at me for that. I will
do my best to get this completed post-haste. There are other folk that need
to be off the lease too - the honorable Zach Houston for one.
But regardless of who is on the lease, and please don't misunderstand (I am
not downplaying the issue), Laurie and George do know who to interface with
regarding the day to day responsibilities of Sudo Room and the Public
School: basically, Matt, Jenny, me, and Melissa. I regularly email with
George and Laurie. You shouldn't be caught in the middle of these tiff's,
and I'm sorry that you have been. I'll send an email to Laurie and George
reminding them funnel their correspondence away from you, and towards us.
Best,
David
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:23 PM, eddan.com <eddan(a)sudoroom.tv> wrote:
Hi All.
I just got a whole other set of complaints from the landlords about the
use of the common area without regard for any other tenants in addition to
this bathroom issue. I am still on the lease and have been asking to be
removed since August. I have been feeling quite taken advantage of in
continuously being told that my request will be honored onto after month
without any movement on it. Isn't there enough money in the bank for Sudo
Room to pay for insurance at this point? Is there some other reason I'm
still on the lease?
I've tried to deal with this through Matt and despite his honest efforts,
it keeps getting stalled. After another round of landlord complaints this
evening, I tried to talk to some of the other Board members. While some
expressed surprise that I was still on the lease and others sought a means
to remedy the situation, others were extremely rude, expressing complete
indifference and saying it was not their problem and that I was being
offensive. What!?! And then when I explained that I felt taken advantage
of, was told (without even looking up from the computer) that this was
triggering and told to stop.
Look. I don't want to have any abrupt termination of the lease, but I've
had more than enough of the derision and indifference when I try to ask to
be removed from the lease. To be taunted for asking is outrageous.
Can we come up with a date by which we turn the lease over to Sudo Room?
sent from eddan.com
On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:57 PM, David Keenan
<dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
Whomever is bottomlining big or big-ish events at the space, needs to
check on the
bathrooms during the event, and check on them after the event,
and if they are by some chance trashed, clean them.
Apparently the TP is sometimes running out during big events, causing
people to
use paper towels or napkins or other things, which then clog the
toilets, which makes George really mad.
Specifically, this apparently happened during the Spied Upon event which
I
bottomlined. Even though I cleaned the common area and took out the
garbage etc before and after, I neglected to check on the state of the
bathrooms (so that is totally on me).
What we need to start doing in my opinion is having some extra TP on
hand so we
can pre-stock the bathrooms before large gatherings, so it does
not run out.
I also think if any one of us notices the bathrooms are messed up or out
of
supplies, we should also tell the bottomliner of the event, or fix it
ourselves.
This is especially important to remember at the end of the night when
everyone is
pooped and ready to head home: If you bottomline, check on the
bathrooms before you leave..
Best,
David
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10:05 p.m.
David -
It was in person this evening. No email to forward, but I've been sending them along
to Matt.
The discussion of liability has come up repeatedly and though there are clearly other
folks doing stuff day to day, I'm on the lease, which is why inquiries about
what's going on come to me.
Jenny's email isn't even worth responding to. That's just not how it went
down.
-Eddan
sent from eddan.com
On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:42 PM, David Keenan
<dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Eddan,
I'm sorry you had to bear the wrath of the landlords - I also know what a bummer that
is. Would you mind terribly forwarding me or the list that email from the landlords
regarding the common space? As it sounds like something we should all be aware of, and I
didn't get it.
I actually wasn't aware that the insurance issue was directly tied to the issue of
who will go on/off the lease. The insurance is actually on me at this point (for once,
something is not matt's fault! ha) and I have been totally lame in getting it finally
sorted. Get mad at me for that. I will do my best to get this completed post-haste. There
are other folk that need to be off the lease too - the honorable Zach Houston for one.
But regardless of who is on the lease, and please don't misunderstand (I am not
downplaying the issue), Laurie and George do know who to interface with regarding the day
to day responsibilities of Sudo Room and the Public School: basically, Matt, Jenny, me,
and Melissa. I regularly email with George and Laurie. You shouldn't be caught in the
middle of these tiff's, and I'm sorry that you have been. I'll send an email
to Laurie and George reminding them funnel their correspondence away from you, and towards
us.
Best,
David
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:23 PM, eddan.com
<eddan(a)sudoroom.tv> wrote:
Hi All.
I just got a whole other set of complaints from the landlords about the use of the common
area without regard for any other tenants in addition to this bathroom issue. I am still
on the lease and have been asking to be removed since August. I have been feeling quite
taken advantage of in continuously being told that my request will be honored onto after
month without any movement on it. Isn't there enough money in the bank for Sudo Room
to pay for insurance at this point? Is there some other reason I'm still on the lease?
I've tried to deal with this through Matt and despite his honest efforts, it keeps
getting stalled. After another round of landlord complaints this evening, I tried to talk
to some of the other Board members. While some expressed surprise that I was still on the
lease and others sought a means to remedy the situation, others were extremely rude,
expressing complete indifference and saying it was not their problem and that I was being
offensive. What!?! And then when I explained that I felt taken advantage of, was told
(without even looking up from the computer) that this was triggering and told to stop.
Look. I don't want to have any abrupt termination of the lease, but I've had more
than enough of the derision and indifference when I try to ask to be removed from the
lease. To be taunted for asking is outrageous.
Can we come up with a date by which we turn the lease over to Sudo Room?
sent from eddan.com
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http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:57 PM, David Keenan
<dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
Whomever is bottomlining big or big-ish events at the space, needs to check on the
bathrooms during the event, and check on them after the event, and if they are by some
chance trashed, clean them.
Apparently the TP is sometimes running out during big events, causing people to use paper
towels or napkins or other things, which then clog the toilets, which makes George really
mad.
Specifically, this apparently happened during the Spied Upon event which I bottomlined.
Even though I cleaned the common area and took out the garbage etc before and after, I
neglected to check on the state of the bathrooms (so that is totally on me).
What we need to start doing in my opinion is having some extra TP on hand so we can
pre-stock the bathrooms before large gatherings, so it does not run out.
I also think if any one of us notices the bathrooms are messed up or out of supplies, we
should also tell the bottomliner of the event, or fix it ourselves.
This is especially important to remember at the end of the night when everyone is pooped
and ready to head home: If you bottomline, check on the bathrooms before you leave..
Best,
David
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10:44 p.m.
Okay. Bracketing the question of personal differences with others at sudo
which I am sorry to hear about, I will say that my policy has been to
communicate with Laurie and George via email whenever possible, and
studiously avoid conversations with George in person or via phone if I can,
though of course I realize if it was a chance meeting that can be just
unavoidable. Laurie is reasonable in person, but to tell you the truth I
have yet to communicate with George even one time to my memory where he did
not get absolutely furious about something or other (I understand that matt
has recently had better luck; ymmv but...)
As you may have noticed, George is pretty passionate about things that
bother him, and the volume of nearly every concern, mild or serious, real
or imagined typically tends to emerge pegged at 11 on the negative affect
scale. So in this respect at least, this sort of exchange is par for the
course, whether or not Sudo or BAPS is actually in arrears with respect to
our responsibilities. All things being equal, I can only imagine your
experience with them has so far has been much the same, since frankly it is
also the same with every other tenant in the building I have talked to..
which is all to say, do take George's recriminations with a grain of salt
and don't let that ruin your day (though this may be moot in this case).
I will work on this insurance thing post-haste, and see if we can't George
and Laurie get someone new on Sudo's lease before that happens.
Since I will be working on this - who exactly is going to sign for Sudo?
David
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:05 PM, eddan.com <eddan(a)sudoroom.tv> wrote:
David -
It was in person this evening. No email to forward, but I've been sending
them along to Matt.
The discussion of liability has come up repeatedly and though there are
clearly other folks doing stuff day to day, I'm on the lease, which is why
inquiries about what's going on come to me.
Jenny's email isn't even worth responding to. That's just not how it went
down.
-Eddan
sent from eddan.com
On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:42 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Eddan,
I'm sorry you had to bear the wrath of the landlords - I also know what a
bummer that is. Would you mind terribly forwarding me or the list that
email from the landlords regarding the common space? As it sounds like
something we should all be aware of, and I didn't get it.
I actually wasn't aware that the insurance issue was directly tied to the
issue of who will go on/off the lease. The insurance is actually on me at
this point (for once, something is not matt's fault! ha) and I have been
totally lame in getting it finally sorted. Get mad at me for that. I will
do my best to get this completed post-haste. There are other folk that need
to be off the lease too - the honorable Zach Houston for one.
But regardless of who is on the lease, and please don't misunderstand (I
am not downplaying the issue), Laurie and George do know who to interface
with regarding the day to day responsibilities of Sudo Room and the Public
School: basically, Matt, Jenny, me, and Melissa. I regularly email with
George and Laurie. You shouldn't be caught in the middle of these tiff's,
and I'm sorry that you have been. I'll send an email to Laurie and George
reminding them funnel their correspondence away from you, and towards us.
Best,
David
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:23 PM, eddan.com <eddan(a)sudoroom.tv> wrote:
Hi All.
I just got a whole other set of complaints from the landlords about the
use of the common area without regard for any other tenants in addition to
this bathroom issue. I am still on the lease and have been asking to be
removed since August. I have been feeling quite taken advantage of in
continuously being told that my request will be honored onto after month
without any movement on it. Isn't there enough money in the bank for Sudo
Room to pay for insurance at this point? Is there some other reason I'm
still on the lease?
I've tried to deal with this through Matt and despite his honest efforts,
it keeps getting stalled. After another round of landlord complaints this
evening, I tried to talk to some of the other Board members. While some
expressed surprise that I was still on the lease and others sought a means
to remedy the situation, others were extremely rude, expressing complete
indifference and saying it was not their problem and that I was being
offensive. What!?! And then when I explained that I felt taken advantage
of, was told (without even looking up from the computer) that this was
triggering and told to stop.
Look. I don't want to have any abrupt termination of the lease, but I've
had more than enough of the derision and indifference when I try to ask to
be removed from the lease. To be taunted for asking is outrageous.
Can we come up with a date by which we turn the lease over to Sudo Room?
sent from eddan.com
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On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:57 PM, David Keenan
<dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
Whomever is bottomlining big or big-ish events at the space, needs to
check on the
bathrooms during the event, and check on them after the event,
and if they are by some chance trashed, clean them.
Apparently the TP is sometimes running out during big events, causing
people to
use paper towels or napkins or other things, which then clog the
toilets, which makes George really mad.
Specifically, this apparently happened during the Spied Upon event
which I
bottomlined. Even though I cleaned the common area and took out the
garbage etc before and after, I neglected to check on the state of the
bathrooms (so that is totally on me).
What we need to start doing in my opinion is having some extra TP on
hand so we
can pre-stock the bathrooms before large gatherings, so it does
not run out.
I also think if any one of us notices the bathrooms are messed up or
out of
supplies, we should also tell the bottomliner of the event, or fix
it ourselves.
This is especially important to remember at the end of the night when
everyone is
pooped and ready to head home: If you bottomline, check on the
bathrooms before you leave..
Best,
David
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8:43 p.m.
Eddan was loud, rude, and hostile from the get go. I did not look him in
the eyes because I felt attacked and threatened. Rather, I calmly asked him
(repeatedly) to stop yelling and being confrontational.
I then proceeded to have a panic attack. I will not apologize for being
triggered when large angry men yell at me because I don't take on
responsibility for the action items assigned to others.
Pro tip #1: If you are angry and upset about something, it's best to take
some time to cool off so that you can calmly discuss the issue with the
appropriate party.
Pro tip #2: When someone calmly asks you to stop yelling, the appropriate
response is to stop yelling, rather than yell, "I'm not yelling!!"
All this said, we are very much looking forward to getting Eddan off the
lease and are currently researching insurance options post-meeting (the
new demand for us to have insurance is the reason we have not yet been able
to switch over). If anyone has suggestions or recommendations, please post
them here :)
/jnny
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:23 PM, eddan.com <eddan(a)sudoroom.tv> wrote:
Hi All.
I just got a whole other set of complaints from the landlords about the
use of the common area without regard for any other tenants in addition to
this bathroom issue. I am still on the lease and have been asking to be
removed since August. I have been feeling quite taken advantage of in
continuously being told that my request will be honored onto after month
without any movement on it. Isn't there enough money in the bank for Sudo
Room to pay for insurance at this point? Is there some other reason I'm
still on the lease?
I've tried to deal with this through Matt and despite his honest efforts,
it keeps getting stalled. After another round of landlord complaints this
evening, I tried to talk to some of the other Board members. While some
expressed surprise that I was still on the lease and others sought a means
to remedy the situation, others were extremely rude, expressing complete
indifference and saying it was not their problem and that I was being
offensive. What!?! And then when I explained that I felt taken advantage
of, was told (without even looking up from the computer) that this was
triggering and told to stop.
Look. I don't want to have any abrupt termination of the lease, but I've
had more than enough of the derision and indifference when I try to ask to
be removed from the lease. To be taunted for asking is outrageous.
Can we come up with a date by which we turn the lease over to Sudo Room?
sent from eddan.com
On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:57 PM, David Keenan
<dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
Whomever is bottomlining big or big-ish events at the space, needs to
check on the
bathrooms during the event, and check on them after the event,
and if they are by some chance trashed, clean them.
Apparently the TP is sometimes running out during big events, causing
people to
use paper towels or napkins or other things, which then clog the
toilets, which makes George really mad.
Specifically, this apparently happened during the Spied Upon event which
I
bottomlined. Even though I cleaned the common area and took out the
garbage etc before and after, I neglected to check on the state of the
bathrooms (so that is totally on me).
What we need to start doing in my opinion is having some extra TP on
hand so we
can pre-stock the bathrooms before large gatherings, so it does
not run out.
I also think if any one of us notices the bathrooms are messed up or out
of
supplies, we should also tell the bottomliner of the event, or fix it
ourselves.
This is especially important to remember at the end of the night when
everyone is
pooped and ready to head home: If you bottomline, check on the
bathrooms before you leave..
Best,
David
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