12 Apr
2018
12 Apr
'18
3:42 p.m.
If at some point in the future Omni decides to re-donate those tools,
would that be a problem for ABCD? If the answer to that question is yes
then I think the correct word is "storage" not "donation."
Generally the less the basement is used as storage space the better and
we would all love to see better utilization of the basement in any way
valuable to the community.
On that topic I would love to consolidate woodworking equipment and wood
from elsewhere in the omni to the basement (with proper fire safety
provisions) and have a dedicated woodshop there serving the whole Omni
as well, only tying this in here because I hope there would be room for
both. We turned away alot of really great organizations toward the
beginning of the Omni because we didn't want to "balkanize" (DK's words)
the basement but I fear that has blunted alot of energy to transform the
space and sent collectives to other spots.
As with past such requests a floorplan showing proposed areas and
equipment would better help the member collectives make an informed
decision.
On 2018-04-12 09:26, Kazoo Studios wrote:
Hello Commoners,
As some of you know, ABDC has been having trouble paying rent since
the fall. We are currently behind on 4 months rent. This is due to
many Coop members leaving, and a shift in direction in the core
remaining: Lynsie, Kazoo, Tonia.
We have an opportunity to move into a store front where we would join
other radical screen printers and have a public facing, wheelchair
accessible space which we have wanted all along. The new space is much
bigger, cheaper, and offers us an opportunity to interact with the
public, not only by appointment.
Therefore, as Kazoo mentioned at a meeting in February, we would like
to propose that ABDC set up a Utility Print Station in the (currently
cluttered and under-utilized) basement space. Our proposal is to
create greater access to the tools for printing for anyone who is
interested, and run an training for newbies every other month. At this
point we have trained several Phat Beets members as well as several
Omni Commoners in the basics of screen printing. There are two screen
printers who have recently asked to join the Coop and we would like to
include them in this transition so that they might help facilitate the
new basement space. We would like to give them, and everyone at Omni
the opportunity to take up leadership in using and maintaining the
studio in the basement.
As we see it, Omni needs a screen printing space. All the collectives
want things printed, and it’s great to be able to do it in house. We
as a collective are not able (given all of our full-time jobs and
other obligations) to be as available as folks would like us to be.
Therefore, we would like to propose an open printing studio in the
basement with a locked supply closet that Omni members who have done a
training with us can have access too. Both Bria and Samuel (Phat
Beets) have trained with us enough to have keys to the closet. Also,
Marcus (former ABDC) Almaz, Jose, Daveron (former ABDC), Anka, and
we’re sure there are other people we’re forgetting, are already
capable enough with screen printing to have keys to the supply closet.
We would like to make this transition in May.
This transition allows the Ticket Booth room to be rented to someone
else bringing in valuable rent, and for the basement to become more
vital. To be clear, we, ABDC, will not be paying rent. Our proposal is
to leave our tools as a donation to the commons so that printing may
continue without us. We are happy to offer trainings every-other month
in order to help interested Omni members gain skill to fully take-over
maintainence of the Utility Print Studio.
Please share with your collectives so that we may vote on it next
meeting!
Thank you all for your dedication to collective process,
ABDC
www.abdc.work
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4:33 p.m.
New subject: [omni-consensus] Agenda Item: ABDC Transition
This sounds like an excellent proposal...imo the Omni needs more collective
resources that are not the exclusive purview of a single collective.
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:42 PM <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
If at some point in the future Omni decides to
re-donate those tools,
would that be a problem for ABCD? If the answer to that question is yes
then I think the correct word is "storage" not "donation."
Generally the less the basement is used as storage space the better and
we would all love to see better utilization of the basement in any way
valuable to the community.
On that topic I would love to consolidate woodworking equipment and wood
from elsewhere in the omni to the basement (with proper fire safety
provisions) and have a dedicated woodshop there serving the whole Omni
as well, only tying this in here because I hope there would be room for
both. We turned away alot of really great organizations toward the
beginning of the Omni because we didn't want to "balkanize" (DK's
words)
the basement but I fear that has blunted alot of energy to transform the
space and sent collectives to other spots.
As with past such requests a floorplan showing proposed areas and
equipment would better help the member collectives make an informed
decision.
On 2018-04-12 09:26, Kazoo Studios wrote:
Hello Commoners,
As some of you know, ABDC has been having trouble paying rent since
the fall. We are currently behind on 4 months rent. This is due to
many Coop members leaving, and a shift in direction in the core
remaining: Lynsie, Kazoo, Tonia.
We have an opportunity to move into a store front where we would join
other radical screen printers and have a public facing, wheelchair
accessible space which we have wanted all along. The new space is much
bigger, cheaper, and offers us an opportunity to interact with the
public, not only by appointment.
Therefore, as Kazoo mentioned at a meeting in February, we would like
to propose that ABDC set up a Utility Print Station in the (currently
cluttered and under-utilized) basement space. Our proposal is to
create greater access to the tools for printing for anyone who is
interested, and run an training for newbies every other month. At this
point we have trained several Phat Beets members as well as several
Omni Commoners in the basics of screen printing. There are two screen
printers who have recently asked to join the Coop and we would like to
include them in this transition so that they might help facilitate the
new basement space. We would like to give them, and everyone at Omni
the opportunity to take up leadership in using and maintaining the
studio in the basement.
As we see it, Omni needs a screen printing space. All the collectives
want things printed, and it’s great to be able to do it in house. We
as a collective are not able (given all of our full-time jobs and
other obligations) to be as available as folks would like us to be.
Therefore, we would like to propose an open printing studio in the
basement with a locked supply closet that Omni members who have done a
training with us can have access too. Both Bria and Samuel (Phat
Beets) have trained with us enough to have keys to the closet. Also,
Marcus (former ABDC) Almaz, Jose, Daveron (former ABDC), Anka, and
we’re sure there are other people we’re forgetting, are already
capable enough with screen printing to have keys to the supply closet.
We would like to make this transition in May.
This transition allows the Ticket Booth room to be rented to someone
else bringing in valuable rent, and for the basement to become more
vital. To be clear, we, ABDC, will not be paying rent. Our proposal is
to leave our tools as a donation to the commons so that printing may
continue without us. We are happy to offer trainings every-other month
in order to help interested Omni members gain skill to fully take-over
maintainence of the Utility Print Studio.
Please share with your collectives so that we may vote on it next
meeting!
Thank you all for your dedication to collective process,
ABDC
www.abdc.work
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New subject: [omni-consensus] Agenda Item: ABDC Transition
First—congrats, ABDC, for finding a space that better fits your desires &
needs! Very exciting.
I am definitely pro more collective resources, and this does sound to me in
general like a useful resource. I would, nonetheless, like to second the
question re: storage vs donation. A related question for me is whether the
proposal is for ABDC to not only set up but also steward the Utility Print
Station? Such an offer to steward seems impled by both the offer for
regular trainings and the comment: “two screen printers who have recently
asked to join the Coop and we would like to include them in this transition
so that they might help facilitate the new basement space.” Along with a
floorplan, additional details about this facilitation could be nice. I’m
also wondering: y’all would remain an Omni collective, even if no longer
tenants?
On April 12, 2018 at 4:33:36 PM, Lesley Bell (zvezdalune(a)gmail.com) wrote:
This sounds like an excellent proposal...imo the Omni needs more collective
resources that are not the exclusive purview of a single collective.
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:42 PM <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
If at some point in the future Omni decides to
re-donate those tools,
would that be a problem for ABCD? If the answer to that question is yes
then I think the correct word is "storage" not "donation."
Generally the less the basement is used as storage space the better and
we would all love to see better utilization of the basement in any way
valuable to the community.
On that topic I would love to consolidate woodworking equipment and wood
from elsewhere in the omni to the basement (with proper fire safety
provisions) and have a dedicated woodshop there serving the whole Omni
as well, only tying this in here because I hope there would be room for
both. We turned away alot of really great organizations toward the
beginning of the Omni because we didn't want to "balkanize" (DK's
words)
the basement but I fear that has blunted alot of energy to transform the
space and sent collectives to other spots.
As with past such requests a floorplan showing proposed areas and
equipment would better help the member collectives make an informed
decision.
On 2018-04-12 09:26, Kazoo Studios wrote:
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Hello Commoners,
As some of you know, ABDC has been having trouble paying rent since
the fall. We are currently behind on 4 months rent. This is due to
many Coop members leaving, and a shift in direction in the core
remaining: Lynsie, Kazoo, Tonia.
We have an opportunity to move into a store front where we would join
other radical screen printers and have a public facing, wheelchair
accessible space which we have wanted all along. The new space is much
bigger, cheaper, and offers us an opportunity to interact with the
public, not only by appointment.
Therefore, as Kazoo mentioned at a meeting in February, we would like
to propose that ABDC set up a Utility Print Station in the (currently
cluttered and under-utilized) basement space. Our proposal is to
create greater access to the tools for printing for anyone who is
interested, and run an training for newbies every other month. At this
point we have trained several Phat Beets members as well as several
Omni Commoners in the basics of screen printing. There are two screen
printers who have recently asked to join the Coop and we would like to
include them in this transition so that they might help facilitate the
new basement space. We would like to give them, and everyone at Omni
the opportunity to take up leadership in using and maintaining the
studio in the basement.
As we see it, Omni needs a screen printing space. All the collectives
want things printed, and it’s great to be able to do it in house. We
as a collective are not able (given all of our full-time jobs and
other obligations) to be as available as folks would like us to be.
Therefore, we would like to propose an open printing studio in the
basement with a locked supply closet that Omni members who have done a
training with us can have access too. Both Bria and Samuel (Phat
Beets) have trained with us enough to have keys to the closet. Also,
Marcus (former ABDC) Almaz, Jose, Daveron (former ABDC), Anka, and
we’re sure there are other people we’re forgetting, are already
capable enough with screen printing to have keys to the supply closet.
We would like to make this transition in May.
This transition allows the Ticket Booth room to be rented to someone
else bringing in valuable rent, and for the basement to become more
vital. To be clear, we, ABDC, will not be paying rent. Our proposal is
to leave our tools as a donation to the commons so that printing may
continue without us. We are happy to offer trainings every-other month
in order to help interested Omni members gain skill to fully take-over
maintainence of the Utility Print Studio.
Please share with your collectives so that we may vote on it next
meeting!
Thank you all for your dedication to collective process,
ABDC
www.abdc.work
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10:49 p.m.
New subject: [omni-consensus] Agenda Item: ABDC Transition
Hey All,
To answer a few questions, we would like to Stewart the space by empowering other
interested parties to also Stewart it. If at some point the space handles itself and
doesn’t need us, that’s cool too. We’ll still come by and use it as Commoners. ABDC could
be a collective or just a place in the building. We can rename it, we don’t care. Just
want to have it be used. To answer the first question from someone who didn’t sign asked:
If it’s of donation or storage:
If the Omni no longer wants the Studio equipment we will give it to another community
center.
Kazoo Studios
www.KazooStudios.net
On Apr 12, 2018, at 5:04 PM, Julian Park
<julianfrancispark(a)gmail.com> wrote:
First—congrats, ABDC, for finding a space that better fits your desires & needs! Very
exciting.
I am definitely pro more collective resources, and this does sound to me in general like
a useful resource. I would, nonetheless, like to second the question re: storage vs
donation. A related question for me is whether the proposal is for ABDC to not only set up
but also steward the Utility Print Station? Such an offer to steward seems impled by both
the offer for regular trainings and the comment: “two screen printers who have recently
asked to join the Coop and we would like to include them in this transition so that they
might help facilitate the new basement space.” Along with a floorplan, additional details
about this facilitation could be nice. I’m also wondering: y’all would remain an Omni
collective, even if no longer tenants?
On April 12, 2018 at 4:33:36 PM, Lesley Bell
(zvezdalune(a)gmail.com) wrote:
This sounds like an excellent proposal...imo the Omni needs more collective resources
that are not the exclusive purview of a single collective.
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<hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
If at some point in the future Omni decides to re-donate those tools,
would that be a problem for ABCD? If the answer to that question is yes
then I think the correct word is "storage" not "donation."
Generally the less the basement is used as storage space the better and
we would all love to see better utilization of the basement in any way
valuable to the community.
On that topic I would love to consolidate woodworking equipment and wood
from elsewhere in the omni to the basement (with proper fire safety
provisions) and have a dedicated woodshop there serving the whole Omni
as well, only tying this in here because I hope there would be room for
both. We turned away alot of really great organizations toward the
beginning of the Omni because we didn't want to "balkanize" (DK's
words)
the basement but I fear that has blunted alot of energy to transform the
space and sent collectives to other spots.
As with past such requests a floorplan showing proposed areas and
equipment would better help the member collectives make an informed
decision.
On 2018-04-12 09:26, Kazoo Studios wrote:
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https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/consensus Hello Commoners,
As some of you know, ABDC has been having trouble paying rent since
the fall. We are currently behind on 4 months rent. This is due to
many Coop members leaving, and a shift in direction in the core
remaining: Lynsie, Kazoo, Tonia.
We have an opportunity to move into a store front where we would join
other radical screen printers and have a public facing, wheelchair
accessible space which we have wanted all along. The new space is much
bigger, cheaper, and offers us an opportunity to interact with the
public, not only by appointment.
Therefore, as Kazoo mentioned at a meeting in February, we would like
to propose that ABDC set up a Utility Print Station in the (currently
cluttered and under-utilized) basement space. Our proposal is to
create greater access to the tools for printing for anyone who is
interested, and run an training for newbies every other month. At this
point we have trained several Phat Beets members as well as several
Omni Commoners in the basics of screen printing. There are two screen
printers who have recently asked to join the Coop and we would like to
include them in this transition so that they might help facilitate the
new basement space. We would like to give them, and everyone at Omni
the opportunity to take up leadership in using and maintaining the
studio in the basement.
As we see it, Omni needs a screen printing space. All the collectives
want things printed, and it’s great to be able to do it in house. We
as a collective are not able (given all of our full-time jobs and
other obligations) to be as available as folks would like us to be.
Therefore, we would like to propose an open printing studio in the
basement with a locked supply closet that Omni members who have done a
training with us can have access too. Both Bria and Samuel (Phat
Beets) have trained with us enough to have keys to the closet. Also,
Marcus (former ABDC) Almaz, Jose, Daveron (former ABDC), Anka, and
we’re sure there are other people we’re forgetting, are already
capable enough with screen printing to have keys to the supply closet.
We would like to make this transition in May.
This transition allows the Ticket Booth room to be rented to someone
else bringing in valuable rent, and for the basement to become more
vital. To be clear, we, ABDC, will not be paying rent. Our proposal is
to leave our tools as a donation to the commons so that printing may
continue without us. We are happy to offer trainings every-other month
in order to help interested Omni members gain skill to fully take-over
maintainence of the Utility Print Studio.
Please share with your collectives so that we may vote on it next
meeting!
Thank you all for your dedication to collective process,
ABDC
www.abdc.work
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11:16 a.m.
New subject: [omni-consensus] Agenda Item: ABDC Transition
Hey thank you for clarifying there, seems like as long as the footprint
is reasonable and there is a commitment from ABCD to steward the space
directly or by proxy, and to remove the equipment and material with say
30 days notice from Omni (either if it falls out of maintenance or if
space needs change) I can't see any reason this would draw a block.
I don't know what the arrangement was with Material Print Machine and I
don't have enough context to do a summary of that progression justice
but my sense was that MPM said they would move their huge volume of
equipment out by a certain deadline after withdrawing their membership
but weeks and months went on, some folk volunteered to get rid of it,
and MPM were ultimately pissed that it didn't go to its highest use
after being more or less abandoned at the omni. It seemed to generate a
lot of bad blood and I was sad to hear friends on both sides burnt out
by it.
In order to avoid conflict arising out of this it's good to be proactive
about these edge cases so we have a fleshed out gameplan that all
parties agree to going in and mechanisms in place for unwinding it at
either party's discretion - maybe someone closer to that situation can
suggest the appropriate language to put in the use of space agreement.
If this facility gets rounded out with conventional printers, maybe even
a pen plotter, this could be a huge community resource!
On 2018-04-12 22:49, Kazoo Studios wrote:
Hey All,
To answer a few questions, we would like to Stewart the space by empowering other
interested parties to also Stewart it. If at some point the space handles itself and
doesn't need us, that's cool too. We'll still come by and use it as Commoners.
ABDC could be a collective or just a place in the building. We can rename it, we don't
care. Just want to have it be used. To answer the first question from someone who
didn't sign asked: If it's of donation or storage:
If the Omni no longer wants the Studio equipment we will give it to another community
center.
Kazoo Studios
www.KazooStudios.net [1]
On Apr 12, 2018, at 5:04 PM, Julian Park <julianfrancispark(a)gmail.com> wrote:
First--congrats, ABDC, for finding a space that better fits your desires & needs!
Very exciting.
I am definitely pro more collective resources, and this does sound to me in general like
a useful resource. I would, nonetheless, like to second the question re: storage vs
donation. A related question for me is whether the proposal is for ABDC to not only set up
but also steward the Utility Print Station? Such an offer to steward seems impled by both
the offer for regular trainings and the comment: "two screen printers who have
recently asked to join the Coop and we would like to include them in this transition so
that they might help facilitate the new basement space." Along with a floorplan,
additional details about this facilitation could be nice. I'm also wondering:
y'all would remain an Omni collective, even if no longer tenants?
On April 12, 2018 at 4:33:36 PM, Lesley Bell (zvezdalune(a)gmail.com) wrote:
This sounds like an excellent proposal...imo the Omni needs more collective resources
that are not the exclusive purview of a single collective.
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:42 PM <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote: If at some point in the
future Omni decides to re-donate those tools,
would that be a problem for ABCD? If the answer to that question is yes
then I think the correct word is "storage" not "donation."
Generally the less the basement is used as storage space the better and
we would all love to see better utilization of the basement in any way
valuable to the community.
On that topic I would love to consolidate woodworking equipment and wood
from elsewhere in the omni to the basement (with proper fire safety
provisions) and have a dedicated woodshop there serving the whole Omni
as well, only tying this in here because I hope there would be room for
both. We turned away alot of really great organizations toward the
beginning of the Omni because we didn't want to "balkanize" (DK's
words)
the basement but I fear that has blunted alot of energy to transform the
space and sent collectives to other spots.
As with past such requests a floorplan showing proposed areas and
equipment would better help the member collectives make an informed
decision.
On 2018-04-12 09:26, Kazoo Studios wrote:
Hello Commoners,
As some of you know, ABDC has been having trouble paying rent since
the fall. We are currently behind on 4 months rent. This is due to
many Coop members leaving, and a shift in direction in the core
remaining: Lynsie, Kazoo, Tonia.
We have an opportunity to move into a store front where we would join
other radical screen printers and have a public facing, wheelchair
accessible space which we have wanted all along. The new space is much
bigger, cheaper, and offers us an opportunity to interact with the
public, not only by appointment.
Therefore, as Kazoo mentioned at a meeting in February, we would like
to propose that ABDC set up a Utility Print Station in the (currently
cluttered and under-utilized) basement space. Our proposal is to
create greater access to the tools for printing for anyone who is
interested, and run an training for newbies every other month. At this
point we have trained several Phat Beets members as well as several
Omni Commoners in the basics of screen printing. There are two screen
printers who have recently asked to join the Coop and we would like to
include them in this transition so that they might help facilitate the
new basement space. We would like to give them, and everyone at Omni
the opportunity to take up leadership in using and maintaining the
studio in the basement.
As we see it, Omni needs a screen printing space. All the collectives
want things printed, and it's great to be able to do it in house. We
as a collective are not able (given all of our full-time jobs and
other obligations) to be as available as folks would like us to be.
Therefore, we would like to propose an open printing studio in the
basement with a locked supply closet that Omni members who have done a
training with us can have access too. Both Bria and Samuel (Phat
Beets) have trained with us enough to have keys to the closet. Also,
Marcus (former ABDC) Almaz, Jose, Daveron (former ABDC), Anka, and
we're sure there are other people we're forgetting, are already
capable enough with screen printing to have keys to the supply closet.
We would like to make this transition in May.
This transition allows the Ticket Booth room to be rented to someone
else bringing in valuable rent, and for the basement to become more
vital. To be clear, we, ABDC, will not be paying rent. Our proposal is
to leave our tools as a donation to the commons so that printing may
continue without us. We are happy to offer trainings every-other month
in order to help interested Omni members gain skill to fully take-over
maintainence of the Utility Print Studio.
Please share with your collectives so that we may vote on it next
meeting!
Thank you all for your dedication to collective process,
ABDC
www.abdc.work [2]
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