I think Matt's proposal has legs - for sure, it would be great to try to get a critical mass of collectives together regardless of the Omni or where we end up collectively moving. On the negative side there is mostly only the potentially dissonant messaging of BAPS & Sudo trying to get out of 2141 because of all the reasons we already know, while at the same time trying to get new folks *into* 2141. Also the reality that paying rent at 2141 for new groups will invariably cut down on their potential initial investment capital going into another, new space. But, if the lease is month-to-month, and there are currently space-less groups willing to put down in there, heck why not? I don't think new groups will get too excited about an office off the main room per se as a space to work in, but the benefits being proximal to BAPS and Sudo, and actually having a space for those who are currently nomadic, and most importantly not waiting to start actually forming the collective of collectives *now*, to the extent that we can, definitely makes sense to me. David On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

I agree that there is some dissonance in bringing people in for the purpose of leaving together for sure. Whatever the amount of investment capital or revenues these groups have, they will have to make rent or mortgage payments every month in the new space whether or not they rent for an extra few months in the humble 2141 beginning. I think if a few groups can be put in together in a 3rd room at 2141 to at least begin the process of working together and making shared commitments, it would be rent money well spent. It reduces the perception of risk on part of the other orgs, and reduces the actual risk sudo/BAPS would face by signing up with groups that may change their minds when it's time to commit to a lease or even worse, withdraw from the project after the lease is signed. +1 on not waiting to start! Also, does someone have a link to previous omni meetings? Trying to get caught up on the discussion. Cheers, Hol Dec 18, 2013 04:40:29 PM, dkeenan44(a)gmail.com wrote: I think Matt's proposal has legs - for sure, it would be great to try to get a critical mass of collectives together regardless of the Omni or where we end up collectively moving. Out of the attendees of these meetings (including folks on the list below), to find some number of interested collectives, individuals, organizations, small businesses, etc to rent the $900-$950 / mo. office adjacent to the Bay Area Public School (BAPS), sharing the common space with BAPS and the Sudo Room at 2141 Broadway in Oakland. For instance, at ~18 equal parties, this room can be rented for $50 / mo. I am personally interested in coordinating several folks to use part of the space as "sudo coworking" with a few small desks for individual work. The intention of this rental is multiple-fold: * To engage in a learning experience about our ability to co-operate and grow.* To provide an opportunity to groups that currently do not have a space to galvanize their community.* To be able to fruitfully engage in a comparison between various group rental options including The Omni, 8th and Alice, and even 2141 Broadway.   https://sudoroom.org/wiki/2141_Broadway >https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Spaces >List (in no particular order): * Timeless infinite light * sudo mesh * Prelinger Library * Local Flavor * Planting Justice * Spokeland * Fix-It Clinic * CorpWatch * Sudo Co-Working >_______________________________________________ >sudo-discuss mailing list >sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss