On 6/28/19, D. Scott Nanos <scott.nanos(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Robb I’m not sure what’s going on with you but you have been really aggressive and dismissive lately. And while I don’t regret not making a complete stranger my business partner without having spent any time getting to know them first, it’s a pretty big stretch to suggest that I’m responsible for any future conflicts folks had with Almaz. Additional, I’ve spent the last two years doing a lot of my own personal work around internalized racism. I’m not suggesting that I have absolved myself of my own biases but I am trying to share information that I have found helpful in understanding how white supremacist culture operates. Take it or leave it obviously, but I’d ask other folks if this is the kind of behavior they want representing the Omni community. If I’ve done something to piss you off I really wish you’d talk to me about it instead of responding to me with such anger. Niki On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 6:08 PM robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:

@ Niki, i admit i got annoyed by the singular long ring of the door bell but i think i'll take anti-oppression advice from someone other than the one who originally started the bad blood with Almaz by refusing to allow her to be an equal in your previous cafe enterprise _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Classic. let it be known also that 'serious accountability process' is not the same as 'mediation' and I hope it is treated as the former, not the latter.. On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 6:57 PM Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Karissa McKelvey https://okdistribute.xyz

@Autonomous i recall the incident & i apologize for my direct inquiry into you being in the building & how it made you feel prior to our interaction, Tony, a member of phat beets, came to me with a concern that there was a strange person walking around the building acting suspicious & he had never done this before so i thought it was serious i don't know what caused him to seek me out but i felt obligated to help it had been awhile since i had seen you & it took me a minute to recognize you when you said you were a sudo member, i accepted your answer & went about my business On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 11:28 AM Autonomous <autonomous666(a)gmail.com> wrote:

i think it might be time for me to relinquish my sudoroom membership & focus on Liberated Lens where the diverse membership does not prejudge me in open court On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 11:48 AM robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Also, thanks to Robb for stepping up and apologizing. Everyone here appreciates your work. Thanks to Scott for stepping up and bringing this to the collective's attention. I want to help coordinate and would participate in any collective workshop we want to have on how we can turn fewer people away from the space. Echoing jake, I would be happy to contribute to a discussion on coming up with better options for helping people feel heard about their experiences and how Omni and Sudoroom can clarify for everyone our positions on treating everyone with respect. On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 12:32 PM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote: -- Karissa McKelvey https://okdistribute.xyz _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss

my black comrad in liberated lens think you "white social justice warriors" are being racist for not holding Deon accountable for the rude way he rang the doorbell On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:23 PM Marina Kukso &lt;marina.kukso(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > just came across this book and thought that it would be relevant to folks > here: https://www.akpress.org/fumbling-towards-repair.html > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 8:31 AM Karissa McKelvey < > karissa.mckelvey(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> Also, thanks to Robb for stepping up and apologizing. Everyone here >> appreciates your work. Thanks to Scott for stepping up and bringing this to >> the collective's attention. >> >> I want to help coordinate and would participate in any collective >> workshop we want to have on how we can turn fewer people away from the >> space. Echoing jake, I would be happy to contribute to a discussion on >> coming up with better options for helping people feel heard about their >> experiences and how Omni and Sudoroom can clarify for everyone our >> positions on treating everyone with respect. >> >> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 12:32 PM Jake &lt;jake(a)spaz.org&gt; wrote: >> >>> Robb, >>> >>> I think you're doing a mostly good job acknowledging people's >>> experiences with >>> you and coming up with ways to avert problems in the future. But I >>> wish that >>> you wouldn't push back this way when people bring up their >>> experiences. I know >>> it must feel bad to be called out in a public forum this way, but one >>> of the >>> things you can do to help is to have a slightly thicker skin about it >>> to help >>> others feel more comfortable. Remember that people without white >>> privilege >>> have to go through a lot worse every day. >>> >>> Complaining about prejudice against you isn't helping anything. Nobody >>> wants >>> to be prejudged, but it happens to everyone. Let's focus on learning >>> from >>> incidents where people felt uncomfortable, by welcoming criticism and >>> accepting >>> people's experiences even if we disagree with their perception of our >>> intentions. >>> >>> Nobody is asking you to relinquish your membership, but it does make >>> sense for >>> you to change your behavior toward people you don't know to avoid these >>> kinds >>> of things happening in the future. Let someone else confront strangers >>> in the >>> building if you think it needs to happen. >>> >>> In the meantime, we can all discuss options for helping people feel >>> heard about >>> their experiences and how Omni and Sudoroom can clarify for everyone our >>> positions on treating everyone with respect. >>> >>> -jake >>> >>> On Fri, 12 Jul 2019, robb wrote: >>> >>> > i think it might be time for me to relinquish my sudoroom membership & >>> > focus on Liberated Lens where the diverse membership does not >>> prejudge me >>> > in open court >>> > >>> > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 11:48 AM robb &lt;sf99er(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> > >>> >> @Autonomous >>> >> i recall the incident & i apologize for my direct inquiry into you >>> being >>> >> in the building & how it made you feel >>> >> prior to our interaction, Tony, a member of phat beets, came to me >>> with a >>> >> concern that there was a strange person walking around the building >>> acting >>> >> suspicious & he had never done this before so i thought it was >>> serious >>> >> i don't know what caused him to seek me out but i felt obligated to >>> help >>> >> it had been awhile since i had seen you & it took me a minute to >>> recognize >>> >> you >>> >> when you said you were a sudo member, i accepted your answer & went >>> about >>> >> my business >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 11:28 AM Autonomous &lt;autonomous666(a)gmail.com >>> > >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> I would like to share an encounter I had with Robb prior to this >>> most >>> >>> recent incident with Deon. >>> >>> >>> >>> I swiped my card at the front door and entered the building. As I >>> was >>> >>> looking around for Marc who I was meeting at Sudo Room, I was >>> accosted by >>> >>> Robb in a hallway who said in a loud voice "MAY I HELP YOU". I said >>> that I >>> >>> was a Sudo Room member and was looking for Marc, and that I was >>> "surprised >>> >>> that you don't recognize me, Robb". The entire time I was speaking, >>> Robb >>> >>> was glaring at me in a hostile manner. I have not been back to Sudo >>> Room >>> >>> since. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would like to point out that 90% of communication is non-verbal >>> and >>> >>> Robb's attitude towards people he doesn't recognize or like could be >>> >>> interpreted as hateful or racist without the use of specific >>> derogatory >>> >>> words. Since Robb now says "he hasn't heard from anybody" on the >>> encounter >>> >>> with Deon I am wondering if the views, opinions and attitudes >>> expressed by >>> >>> Robb are also those of Sudo Room and the Omni, and reflect the >>> official >>> >>> policy or position of Sudo Room or the Omni towards unwanted guests. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 4:31 PM D. Scott Nanos < >>> scott.nanos(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Greetings Sudo et al, I'm so sorry but I have to bring to your >>> attention >>> >>>> a recent, very unfortunate, inappropriate, and violent encounter a >>> friend >>> >>>> of mine, Deon Saunders, had with a guy named "Rob", who I don't >>> think I >>> >>>> know personally, although I'm sure he's well known around Omni in >>> general. >>> >>>> I don't believe he's a sudo member specifically, but I believe this >>> >>>> incident sort of came into Sudo territory when Marc became >>> involved; I also >>> >>>> really respect and love what Sudo room provides to the community, >>> and I >>> >>>> know that Sudo is a powerful force within the Omni; as such, I'm >>> writing to >>> >>>> you all now because I believe this issue definitely needs to be >>> dealt with, >>> >>>> and not ignored or brushed aside. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Basically, Deon is friends with Phat Beets and Food First, and has >>> been >>> >>>> frequenting the Omni in order to do work and access the community >>> resources >>> >>>> that are available. To my understanding, he often works in the >>> Sudo room >>> >>>> space. Although this should not need to be said, I can personally >>> vouch for >>> >>>> Deon as an upstanding and generous member of the Oakland community. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Deon was having trouble accessing the space the other day and rung >>> the >>> >>>> Omni doorbell several times, at which point guy named Rob opened >>> the door >>> >>>> and started cursing at him and being very aggressive. After Deon >>> was able >>> >>>> to enter Omni, Rob then started following him around and harassing >>> him, >>> >>>> acting like a cop. Although this is egregious in and of itself, >>> and a >>> >>>> terrible counter-representation of the Omni's values, this all >>> came to a >>> >>>> head when Rob accused Deon of not being "an actual, normal, human >>> being". >>> >>>> Whether or not this was intentional, it evoked longstanding racist >>> >>>> attitudes that black folks have been subjected to, suggesting that >>> Deon was >>> >>>> less-than, or sub-human. Deon was so offended that he promptly >>> left the >>> >>>> Omni and has not been back since. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Besides this very loaded and hateful comment, this general kind of >>> >>>> treatment and attitude, overall, is the EXACT opposite of the way >>> black >>> >>>> folks should be treated when interfacing with the Omni. Rob's >>> actions are >>> >>>> not okay, at all, and I strongly feel that a serious >>> accountability process >>> >>>> should be implemented for this incident. This is not a small >>> matter. I've >>> >>>> spoken with Deon, and he has agreed to participate. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I've also heard that this type of incident has happened before at >>> the >>> >>>> Omni, specifically involving Rob. Correct me if I'm wrong, but >>> apparently, >>> >>>> the attitude that was expressed to Deon was that Rob is one of the >>> main >>> >>>> people that operates (i.e. helps to reproduce and sustain,) the >>> Omni, and >>> >>>> as such, people basically go along with what he says and does. If >>> this is >>> >>>> in fact the case, then an accountability process is even more >>> imperative. >>> >>>> In no way should labor, and by proxy, "power" derived from labor, >>> enable a >>> >>>> person to act with racism against members of the Oakland >>> community. I think >>> >>>> it's in the best interest of the Omni to address this issue >>> immediately, >>> >>>> for Deon, for the Omni, and for the Omni's relationship with the >>> greater >>> >>>> community of Oakland. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I believe Marc was present for part of this incident as well, and >>> >>>> although I know, Marc is so busy doing vital work for Sudo and >>> Omni, it >>> >>>> might behoove him to also participate in this process, as a >>> witness. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I am writing this email not because I am trying to "cancel" or ruin >>> >>>> anyone, but because I care about Deon, The Omni, Sudo, and the >>> Oakland >>> >>>> community at large. This issue seems indicative of larger >>> problems, and if >>> >>>> addressed with love and respect and accountability, could >>> seriously benefit >>> >>>> all parties listed above, and improve the Omni and it's >>> relationship with >>> >>>> Oakland. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I'm not sure where to take it from here, as I am personally >>> extremely >>> >>>> busy with other community-based activities in Oakland right now, >>> but a >>> >>>> mediator/facilitator should be sought out, ideally a black person, >>> but at >>> >>>> the very least, a non-black poc, and probably someone that isn't >>> personally >>> >>>> involved in the day-to-day operations at Omni, sudo etc. If i am >>> able, I >>> >>>> could possibly be this mediator, but I hope other options are >>> sought out >>> >>>> first, because a.) I'm a non-black, mixed race poc, and b.) I have >>> very >>> >>>> little capacity at the moment. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> But please keep me in the loop regarding an accountability process >>> for >>> >>>> Rob, and I'll do whatever I can to help move this along and reach >>> a fair >>> >>>> and just conclusion. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Sorry to bring such difficult news to you all, but I could not stay >>> >>>> silent. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> With love and Solidarity, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Scott >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> >>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> >>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >> >> >> -- >> Karissa McKelvey >> https://okdistribute.xyz >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >

Thanks Jake (and Robb) I was more perplexed rather than offended by Robb's behavior. Now I think I have a better understanding. Does anybody here feel that Deon is due an apology? On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 1:02 PM Yardena Cohen &lt;yardenack(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss

I only see one path forward from this mess: all white people need to pursue serious self-education and personal growth. When white people aren't showing clear signs of doing that, I don't blame anybody for checking out and walking away. This has been going on for many years. _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Deon, Please accept my sincerest apologies for being treated with disrespect at the Omni. Furthermore please accept my apologies for the unacceptable delay in receiving a response from members of Sudo Room or the Omni. There is simply no excuse for the way you were treated. The manner in which this unfortunate encounter was handled by the Omni and Sudo room needs to be seriously reviewed and measures need to be taken to prevent incidents from occurring again. Thank you for your service to the community and your generosity. I hope that you will return to the Omni sometime soon and be warmly welcomed. Best regards, Autonomous On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 4:31 PM D. Scott Nanos &lt;scott.nanos(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss

https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy I'd like to drop in a friendly reminder that "Rather than call-outs, the Omni supports a culture of calling people in to a greater understanding of the intersecting systems of oppression that affect us all." @rayc, I firmly believe Robb was not being racist at all, even subconsciously. I have heard him say the exact same thing ("act like a normal human") to white people, and he has consistently and humbly expressed his openness to consider and reflect on his actions. Our collective failure here is that we haven't been 100% excellent allies against racism in that there are many reasons why poc would feel unsure of whether they are welcome in the space. It is also understandable that someone with past trauma from racism would be triggered by many aspects of how the omni operates. I'm seriously disappointed in the people who are quick to blame a single individual rather than take collective responsibility for a culture we all take part in creating. The default is for poc to feel unsure and afraid in new, majority white spaces, and we need to emphatically welcome them, each in the ways we are able. Maybe we can put in some permanent signage that will fix situations like this in the future by (1) letting visitors know that it is the protocol for everyone to identify themselves and the collective they are visiting and (2) affirm that poc, queer, trans, and otherwise underrepresented groups are emphatically welcome in the space and will be supported and listened to? (I've put up paper/cardboard signs on multiple occasions, but they disappear pretty quickly.) Also, let's take care of each other and try to keep the volunteers who do the most from burning out. Robb, I am so very grateful for all the labor, time, and care you put into the omni. Robb seems to consistently do a lot of jobs that no one else wants to do, like opening the door late at night. He's welcomed a lot of people to the space and helped a lot of underrepresented people gain resources to build their own technology instead of just consume it. His default mode is to be friendly, safe, compassionate, and affirming, and I hope he'll feel better soon and heal from whatever stress and burnout he might be feeling. On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 2:18 PM Robert Chu &lt;robert.chu01(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

Calling in a few folks. Due to recent and current events, I'm gonna have to bring this issue back up as "not resolved" and ask that it be put back on the table and addressed before EOY. Thank you kindly, Scott R. Edmonds +1.5109283469 On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 4:31 PM D. Scott Nanos &lt;scott.nanos(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: