Maybe Jerome should be given a key along with an orientation as to the responsibilities of key-holders? On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Robb Anonymous <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Is Jerome a member of any of the collectives? We should definitely NOT be giving out keys to people who are not members and who already have a track record of being irresponsible with door access. Patrik On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 7:01 PM, niki <niki.shelley(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for your efforts, Robb. Just so you know - it's hugely appreciated!. I try to do my best checking the doors as well. I think the situation - at least in the evenings when I'm around - seems to have gotten much better lately than it was in the past. I'm not in as often as you are, but I'll try to step up my efforts when I am. Let's definitely kick out non-members who consistently and intentionally violate our rules. Our desire to show hospitality to non-members should not outweigh the emotional well-being of our members. Patrik On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Robb Anonymous <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Do think it might be worth considering a "no non-members after midnight" rule? With an exception for events, or if a member explicitly vouched for them. If we can do the building sweep before any sleepers are fully settled in, and while there are still enough members around, we shouldn't have to get into that kind of situation. Face it, if there are still non-members around after midnight, chances are they're hoping to spend the night. .. Patrik On Aug 21, 2015 11:49 AM, "Robb Anonymous" &lt;sf99er(a)gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sf99er@gmail.com');>> wrote: > thank you, patrik. it seems to be worse in the mornings & late at night > when few or no members are around. additionally, it appears as though > people are not clearing the building at night. last night, matthew, who was > upstairs on his laptop came down to sudo/ccl & found someone sleeping in > ccl. brenden, kelly & romi were the last ones i saw in sudo as i was > leaving. matthew was unable to wake the guy up without physically shaking > him, which he was too scared to do alone. > > for the record, i will continue to clear the building if i am the 2nd to > or last person to leave > ~r > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer &lt;patrikd(a)gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','patrikd@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> Thanks for your efforts, Robb. Just so you know - it's hugely >> appreciated!. >> >> I try to do my best checking the doors as well. I think the situation - >> at least in the evenings when I'm around - seems to have gotten much better >> lately than it was in the past. I'm not in as often as you are, but I'll >> try to step up my efforts when I am. >> >> Let's definitely kick out non-members who consistently and intentionally >> violate our rules. Our desire to show hospitality to non-members should not >> outweigh the emotional well-being of our members. >> >> Patrik >> >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Robb Anonymous &lt;sf99er(a)gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sf99er@gmail.com');>> wrote: >> >>> jerome is not a member of any collective. i failed to mention that >>> jackson, today, called me a "fucking whitey" after i told him for the 2nd >>> time today that he shouldn't be extending the deadbolt to keep the front >>> door open. >>> >>> for the record, i am totally burnt on constantly checking and >>> locking/closing the doors and will no longer be checking them regularly as >>> the practice has completely frustrated me and is making me out to appear as >>> though i am racist against black people. >>> >>> hopefully someone else will step forward to constantly secure the >>> building but i am currently and completely burnt on it and taking it too >>> personally and it is eating up all my time and energy. >>> >>> good luck >>> >>> ~r >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer &lt;patrikd(a)gmail.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','patrikd@gmail.com');>> wrote: >>> >>>> Is Jerome a member of any of the collectives? We should definitely NOT >>>> be giving out keys to people who are not members and who already have a >>>> track record of being irresponsible with door access. >>>> >>>> Patrik >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 7:01 PM, niki &lt;niki.shelley(a)gmail.com >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','niki.shelley@gmail.com');>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Maybe Jerome should be given a key along with an orientation as to >>>>> the responsibilities of key-holders? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Robb Anonymous &lt;sf99er(a)gmail.com >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sf99er@gmail.com');>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> i am really tired of playing cat-n-mouse w/the outside doors at the >>>>>> omni. >>>>>> >>>>>> a day or two ago i told jerome that i would be moving for a >>>>>> permanent ban on whoever i discovered was propping the doors open. >>>>>> >>>>>> after i let jerome in the building this morning, i discovered that >>>>>> jerome had left the shattuck side/ballroom door open so i asked him "what >>>>>> the fuck" he left the door open for. >>>>>> >>>>>> rather than answer my question he took offense at my tone >>>>>> (understandably as i was angry) got in my face pointing and tried to start >>>>>> a fight with me with >>>>>> >>>>>> i get that jerome helps out around here but leaving the doors open >>>>>> for anyone to walk in at anytime completely negates the occasional floor >>>>>> mopping that he does, imho. >>>>>> >>>>>> i will not be letting jerome in anytime soon >>>>>> >>>>>> ~r >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org');> >>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org');> >>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

his means that if you, as a key-holding member leave the space *at any time* and there are no other key-holding members willing to vouch for non-key holding members that may be present at the time, everyone must leave.

*all non-members are required to be guests of key-holding members when they are in the space outside of scheduled events* is simply not being enforced by anyone, if it was, i doubt we would not be having this discussion. 11pm or 12am seemed like a good idea until i realized it implies non-members are allowed in the space w/o being sponsored by a member anytime before then unfortunately this is primarily a sudoroom problem as we are usually the last ones to leave furthermore, jackson sits by the front door all day and lets* anyone *who rings in without even speaking to them when he isn't leaving the door open. max from fat beats lets him in yet i've never seen him ask jackson to leave when he does it seems to me that by making exceptions to our rules for certain individuals the exceptions become the rule for all. i am concerned that fewer people will want to become responsible members of our collectives if we maintain the current all access policy which clearly subverts the collectively agreed upon policy. interestingly, phat beats has, to my knowledge, never attended a delegates meeting & may not have much buy in to the policy, in general. ~r On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer &lt;patrikd(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: