Re: [sudo-discuss] [omnilogistics] [Critical] Cannot pass new member Rise Above printing
29 Aug
2014
29 Aug
'14
1:01 p.m.
from the email you forwarded:
"I'm so excited to become a part of the Omni collective. In walking
around the building I've identified an area I think will work well for
my studio. It is the current utility room and kitchen adjacent to the
cafe. Since the kitchen will be moved downstairs anyway I figure we can
take down the non load bearing wall between those two spaces and make it
an area big enough to house my printing press, heaters, tables and
storage."
there was another proposal on the table for La Commune to block the
entire entry via the door we normally take to access sudo/ccl after 6pm,
with the suggested alternative that we have access via the doors at the
end of the hallway/kitchen onto 48th street. i don't think splitting
access to a separate entryway after 6pm is the preferred alternative
from hearing everyone's input, but if it were there would be a potential
conflict between that idea and converting the area that is now the
kitchen into a printshop.
cheers
On 2014-08-29 11:47, David Keenan wrote:
Sorry hol.. I know yr probably at work but -
what'r ya askin about the hallway?
I was just saying, in the detail drawing there is enough room for the press, but it
doesn't seem to match what I measured in real life - I was hoping someone could go
check real quick, and maybe measure the width of the kitchen-area hallway too.
David
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:39 AM, <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
so nothing in the hallway?
On 2014-08-29 11:34, David Keenan wrote:
Patrik:
Since riseup limits attachment size I sent the perhaps-partially-deprecated floorplans
for the NW corner and upstairs mezzanine as marked up by our architect for john (since he
wanted to be able to approve far in advance.)
Hol: Good point..
And now actually looking at the detail drawings I see it says 13'3" N-S in the
'ice room' (aka utility room, aka garbage room.) That would be enough room for
Gabriela's press with no modification to walls. But. I feel like when we or Gabriela
measured it in person (I can't remember who did so), it was definitely less (why I
proposed the pony wall be moved back).
Can someone actually go re-measure the width of this room, from 48th st side, to the
hallway wall, so we know what it is?
David
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:19 AM, <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
it would be good to see a drawing of the area being proposed since there seems to be some
confusion
On 2014-08-29 11:12, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:01 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
What should happen is our earlier-discussed (and approved by john, if we want to do it)
floorplan of putting doors into the north sides of both the storage rooms to provide
further means of egress from CCL.
If there is a floorplan already approved with John, please share it - because I have not
seen anything on paper, and I don't think that what you have in mind is the same as
what I've been talking about!
With this in mind, I think the NE room would be a better room for CCL's lab, if that
is an option for you guys? It is a bigger room, and putting a doorway in the storage room
closer to the hallway would allow essentially a straight shot through to the double-doors
on 48th - Such access could be really useful for example to bring a scissor lift into
Sudo/CCL so it does not have to make turns, as well.
What I have been suggesting is to route the exit through the small room in between the
two storage rooms. That would indeed be a straight shot, and would not affect either
storage room. But we would need somebody to check whether the doorway width we can achieve
there would be up to code.
Patrik
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29 Aug
1:16 p.m.
New subject: [omnilogistics] [Critical] Cannot pass new member Rise Above printing
Ok so - it's confusing.. i should make a drawing. That's not the Rise Above
proposal -
At worst the Rise Above proposal would require narrowing the part of the
hallway a bit where the fridge and stoves are. Looking at the detail
drawing measurements though, if they are correct, that may not actually be
necessary - Rise Above needs 11' to work in, the narrow part of the room
measures on paper at 13'3". So, that room needs to be measured IRL before
making that drawing.
The only door that would be put in for Rise Above, would be into the
existing doorframe on the west end of the utility room.
Re: the La Commune proposal of closing off the bar-room, the thing is the
proposal unfortunately does not comply with ADA or Fire for the uses and
hours we intend in the building. For the bar-room to be closed off, there
could be no legal public access to the ballroom. The bar-room must be
accessible for the ballroom to be accessible. So that part of the La
Commune proposal is not implementable presently at any rate. Given this I
would not consider that part of their proposal possible. But even if the La
Commune proposal was possible, Rise Above would not be blocking access from
sudo/ccl to the 48th st doors.
Remember the kitchen can't really legally be there. The stuff in the
kitchen is what is choking up that egress more than moving the wall back a
couple feet would (which it is not clear we have to do anyhow.)
Best,
David
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 1:01 PM, <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
from the email you forwarded:
"I'm so excited to become a part of the Omni collective. In walking
around the building I've identified an area I think will work well for my
studio. It is the current utility room and kitchen adjacent to the cafe.
Since the kitchen will be moved downstairs anyway I figure we can take down
the non load bearing wall between those two spaces and make it an area big
enough to house my printing press, heaters, tables and storage."
there was another proposal on the table for La Commune to block the entire
entry via the door we normally take to access sudo/ccl after 6pm, with the
suggested alternative that we have access via the doors at the end of the
hallway/kitchen onto 48th street. i don't think splitting access to a
separate entryway after 6pm is the preferred alternative from hearing
everyone's input, but if it were there would be a potential conflict
between that idea and converting the area that is now the kitchen into a
printshop.
cheers
On 2014-08-29 11:47, David Keenan wrote:
Sorry hol.. I know yr probably at work but - what'r ya askin about the
hallway?
I was just saying, in the detail drawing there is enough room for the
press, but it doesn't seem to match what I measured in real life - I was
hoping someone could go check real quick, and maybe measure the width of
the kitchen-area hallway too.
David
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:39 AM, <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
> so nothing in the hallway?
>
>
>
>
> On 2014-08-29 11:34, David Keenan wrote:
>
> Patrik:
> Since riseup limits attachment size I sent the
> perhaps-partially-deprecated floorplans for the NW corner and upstairs
> mezzanine as marked up by our architect for john (since he wanted to be
> able to approve far in advance.)
>
> Hol: Good point..
>
> And now actually looking at the detail drawings I see it says 13'3" N-S
> in the 'ice room' (aka utility room, aka garbage room.) That would be
> enough room for Gabriela's press with no modification to walls. But. I feel
> like when we or Gabriela measured it in person (I can't remember who did
> so), it was definitely less (why I proposed the pony wall be moved back).
>
> Can someone actually go re-measure the width of this room, from 48th st
> side, to the hallway wall, so we know what it is?
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:19 AM, <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
>
>> it would be good to see a drawing of the area being proposed since
>> there seems to be some confusion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-08-29 11:12, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:01 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What should happen is our earlier-discussed (and approved by john, if
>>> we want to do it) floorplan of putting doors into the north sides of both
>>> the storage rooms to provide further means of egress from CCL.
>>>
>>
>> If there is a floorplan already approved with John, please share it -
>> because I have not seen anything on paper, and I don't think that what you
>> have in mind is the same as what I've been talking about!
>>
>>
>>> With this in mind, I think the NE room would be a better room for
>>> CCL's lab, if that is an option for you guys? It is a bigger room, and
>>> putting a doorway in the storage room closer to the hallway would allow
>>> essentially a straight shot through to the double-doors on 48th - Such
>>> access could be really useful for example to bring a scissor lift into
>>> Sudo/CCL so it does not have to make turns, as well.
>>>
>>
>> What I have been suggesting is to route the exit through the small room
>> in between the two storage rooms. That would indeed be a straight shot, and
>> would not affect either storage room. But we would need somebody to check
>> whether the doorway width we can achieve there would be up to code.
>>
>> Patrik
>>
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9:40 p.m.
New subject: [omnilogistics] [Critical] Cannot pass new member Rise Above printing
FWIW, I took a break and measured it.. the utility's room's actually
10'7"
wide, and the hallway behind it with the stoves and stuff, is like
9'4". That is really weird that the actual measure is so far off of the
detail drawings.
Has anyone noticed how this is a really weird building?
David
On Friday, August 29, 2014, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Ok so - it's confusing.. i should make a drawing.
That's not the Rise
Above proposal -
At worst the Rise Above proposal would require narrowing the part of the
hallway a bit where the fridge and stoves are. Looking at the detail
drawing measurements though, if they are correct, that may not actually be
necessary - Rise Above needs 11' to work in, the narrow part of the room
measures on paper at 13'3". So, that room needs to be measured IRL before
making that drawing.
The only door that would be put in for Rise Above, would be into the
existing doorframe on the west end of the utility room.
Re: the La Commune proposal of closing off the bar-room, the thing is the
proposal unfortunately does not comply with ADA or Fire for the uses and
hours we intend in the building. For the bar-room to be closed off, there
could be no legal public access to the ballroom. The bar-room must be
accessible for the ballroom to be accessible. So that part of the La
Commune proposal is not implementable presently at any rate. Given this I
would not consider that part of their proposal possible. But even if the La
Commune proposal was possible, Rise Above would not be blocking access from
sudo/ccl to the 48th st doors.
Remember the kitchen can't really legally be there. The stuff in the
kitchen is what is choking up that egress more than moving the wall back a
couple feet would (which it is not clear we have to do anyhow.)
Best,
David
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 1:01 PM, <hol(a)gaskill.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hol@gaskill.com');>> wrote:
from the email you forwarded:
"I'm so excited to become a part of the Omni collective. In walking
around the building I've identified an area I think will work well for my
studio. It is the current utility room and kitchen adjacent to the cafe.
Since the kitchen will be moved downstairs anyway I figure we can take down
the non load bearing wall between those two spaces and make it an area big
enough to house my printing press, heaters, tables and storage."
there was another proposal on the table for La Commune to block the
entire entry via the door we normally take to access sudo/ccl after 6pm,
with the suggested alternative that we have access via the doors at the end
of the hallway/kitchen onto 48th street. i don't think splitting access to
a separate entryway after 6pm is the preferred alternative from hearing
everyone's input, but if it were there would be a potential conflict
between that idea and converting the area that is now the kitchen into a
printshop.
cheers
On 2014-08-29 11:47, David Keenan wrote:
Sorry hol.. I know yr probably at work but - what'r ya askin about the
hallway?
I was just saying, in the detail drawing there is enough room for the
press, but it doesn't seem to match what I measured in real life - I was
hoping someone could go check real quick, and maybe measure the width of
the kitchen-area hallway too.
David
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:39 AM, <hol(a)gaskill.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hol@gaskill.com');>> wrote:
> so nothing in the hallway?
>
>
>
>
> On 2014-08-29 11:34, David Keenan wrote:
>
> Patrik:
> Since riseup limits attachment size I sent the
> perhaps-partially-deprecated floorplans for the NW corner and upstairs
> mezzanine as marked up by our architect for john (since he wanted to be
> able to approve far in advance.)
>
> Hol: Good point..
>
> And now actually looking at the detail drawings I see it says 13'3" N-S
> in the 'ice room' (aka utility room, aka garbage room.) That would be
> enough room for Gabriela's press with no modification to walls. But. I feel
> like when we or Gabriela measured it in person (I can't remember who did
> so), it was definitely less (why I proposed the pony wall be moved back).
>
> Can someone actually go re-measure the width of this room, from 48th st
> side, to the hallway wall, so we know what it is?
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:19 AM, <hol(a)gaskill.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hol@gaskill.com');>> wrote:
>
>> it would be good to see a drawing of the area being proposed since
>> there seems to be some confusion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-08-29 11:12, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:01 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dkeenan44@gmail.com');>>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What should happen is our earlier-discussed (and approved by john, if
>>> we want to do it) floorplan of putting doors into the north sides of both
>>> the storage rooms to provide further means of egress from CCL.
>>>
>>
>> If there is a floorplan already approved with John, please share it -
>> because I have not seen anything on paper, and I don't think that what you
>> have in mind is the same as what I've been talking about!
>>
>>
>>> With this in mind, I think the NE room would be a better room for
>>> CCL's lab, if that is an option for you guys? It is a bigger room, and
>>> putting a doorway in the storage room closer to the hallway would allow
>>> essentially a straight shot through to the double-doors on 48th - Such
>>> access could be really useful for example to bring a scissor lift into
>>> Sudo/CCL so it does not have to make turns, as well.
>>>
>>
>> What I have been suggesting is to route the exit through the small room
>> in between the two storage rooms. That would indeed be a straight shot, and
>> would not affect either storage room. But we would need somebody to check
>> whether the doorway width we can achieve there would be up to code.
>>
>> Patrik
>>
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