No, I think we need a neutral facilitator or as close as we can find to that. As for how long the meeting will go on, the request is noted, but people can't just object to us having a meeting. We can table discussions if necessary, but the unprecedented discord that has come up recently can only be dealt with by a well-attended meeting by the membership. The obvious discussions are: 1. "the ED decision" of whether we will hand over executive power to Jamal, and 2. who will be our delegate tomorrow at the Omni meeting. -jake On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 5:59 PM Paige P via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org More options at https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/

You participated in an attempted purge of me, and are openly attacking our delegate in an attempt to force the issue, instead of bringing such a decision to the collective. You clearly have a specific goal in these issues, and I don't see how I could trust you to facilitate topics that are so important to you, and if you're going to be neutral then it shouldn't matter if someone else does it instead. Less work for you. -jake On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 6:25 PM Jemma Love &lt;codejems(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 6:25 PM Jemma Love &lt;codejems(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Jake, I have facilitated meetings previously where people disagreed with > me with no cause for concern and all were heard equally. Everyone, > including you, thanked me for facilitating that meeting. > > There is no factual reason as to why that would change for this meeting. > If you really want to make facilitation an issue within sudoroom > and continue to exhaust limited meeting time then I suggest you raise it at > the meeting. > > All the best, > Jems > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 6:18 PM Jake Watters via sudo-discuss < > sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: > >> No, I think we need a neutral facilitator or as close as we can find to >> that. >> >> As for how long the meeting will go on, the request is noted, but people >> can't just object to us having a meeting. We can table discussions if >> necessary, but the unprecedented discord that has come up recently can only >> be dealt with by a well-attended meeting by the membership. >> >> The obvious discussions are: >> 1. "the ED decision" of whether we will hand over executive power to >> Jamal, and >> 2. who will be our delegate tomorrow at the Omni meeting. >> >> -jake >> >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 5:59 PM Paige P via sudo-discuss < >> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: >> >>> Ok Jemma has volunteered to facilitate. >>> >>> Also there was another request that we end at 8PM, so I'll ask again, >>> please be ready to start at 7PM! >>> >>> join remotely here https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 1:53 AM Paige P &lt;pgeplan(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, please try and show up close to on time! So we dont waste >>>> so much time sitting around. >>>> >>>> Would be great if we could get a volunteer for facilitator and agenda >>>> but I am not able to make that today. Two obvious discussions are ED >>>> position and how to move past recent conflicts. >>>> >>>> Paige >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>> More options at >>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at >> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> >

My very specific goal is I do not support transphobic, racist, and misogynistic actions. I participated in no attempted purge, and I have not attacked our delegate. I have called out a person who was put into the position under no vote because no one else volunteered after I stepped down for their racist actions in our previous meetings and their misleading view of a 5 hour meetings they participated in for less than an hour. If you continue to try to discredit me or target me I will take this as further actions in favor or your immediate removal of Omni. People disagreeing with you is not a reason to try and remove others from positions or silence them and I am sick of your petty attempts to try and attack me. Tonight will be facilitated as our meetings have in the past with no problems. You have my word. All the best, Jems On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 6:34 PM Jake Watters &lt;typeinthenumber(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org More options at https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/

here are the meeting notes https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2024-01-10 News since - Jamal is no longer willing to work with us (unless we take action on concerns he brought up) - Media lab is now a collective On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 10:38 PM Andrew R Gross &lt;arg5029(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > How'd the meeting go? > > *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)* > 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org> > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 6:44 PM Jemma Love via sudo-discuss < > sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: > >> My very specific goal is I do not support transphobic, racist, and >> misogynistic actions. I participated in no attempted purge, and I have not >> attacked our delegate. I have called out a person who was put into the >> position under no vote because no one else volunteered after I stepped down >> for their racist actions in our previous meetings and their misleading view >> of a 5 hour meetings they participated in for less than an hour. >> >> If you continue to try to discredit me or target me I will take this as >> further actions in favor or your immediate removal of Omni. People >> disagreeing with you is not a reason to try and remove others from >> positions or silence them and I am sick of your petty attempts to try and >> attack me. >> >> Tonight will be facilitated as our meetings have in the past with no >> problems. You have my word. >> >> All the best, >> Jems >> >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 6:34 PM Jake Watters &lt;typeinthenumber(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> You participated in an attempted purge of me, and are openly attacking >>> our delegate in an attempt to force the issue, instead of bringing such a >>> decision to the collective. >>> >>> You clearly have a specific goal in these issues, and I don't see how I >>> could trust you to facilitate topics that are so important to you, and if >>> you're going to be neutral then it shouldn't matter if someone else does it >>> instead. Less work for you. >>> >>> -jake >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 6:25 PM Jemma Love &lt;codejems(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Jake, I have facilitated meetings previously where people disagreed >>>> with me with no cause for concern and all were heard equally. Everyone, >>>> including you, thanked me for facilitating that meeting. >>>> >>>> There is no factual reason as to why that would change for this >>>> meeting. If you really want to make facilitation an issue within sudoroom >>>> and continue to exhaust limited meeting time then I suggest you raise it at >>>> the meeting. >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> Jems >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 6:18 PM Jake Watters via sudo-discuss < >>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> No, I think we need a neutral facilitator or as close as we can find >>>>> to that. >>>>> >>>>> As for how long the meeting will go on, the request is noted, but >>>>> people can't just object to us having a meeting. We can table discussions >>>>> if necessary, but the unprecedented discord that has come up recently can >>>>> only be dealt with by a well-attended meeting by the membership. >>>>> >>>>> The obvious discussions are: >>>>> 1. "the ED decision" of whether we will hand over executive power to >>>>> Jamal, and >>>>> 2. who will be our delegate tomorrow at the Omni meeting. >>>>> >>>>> -jake >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 5:59 PM Paige P via sudo-discuss < >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ok Jemma has volunteered to facilitate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also there was another request that we end at 8PM, so I'll ask >>>>>> again, please be ready to start at 7PM! >>>>>> >>>>>> join remotely here https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 1:53 AM Paige P &lt;pgeplan(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi everyone, please try and show up close to on time! So we dont >>>>>>> waste so much time sitting around. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would be great if we could get a volunteer for facilitator and >>>>>>> agenda but I am not able to make that today. Two obvious discussions are ED >>>>>>> position and how to move past recent conflicts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paige >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> More options at >>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>> More options at >>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>>> >>>> >>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 6:25 PM Jemma Love &lt;codejems(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Jake, I have facilitated meetings previously where people disagreed >>>> with me with no cause for concern and all were heard equally. Everyone, >>>> including you, thanked me for facilitating that meeting. >>>> >>>> There is no factual reason as to why that would change for this >>>> meeting. If you really want to make facilitation an issue within sudoroom >>>> and continue to exhaust limited meeting time then I suggest you raise it at >>>> the meeting. >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> Jems >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 6:18 PM Jake Watters via sudo-discuss < >>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> No, I think we need a neutral facilitator or as close as we can find >>>>> to that. >>>>> >>>>> As for how long the meeting will go on, the request is noted, but >>>>> people can't just object to us having a meeting. We can table discussions >>>>> if necessary, but the unprecedented discord that has come up recently can >>>>> only be dealt with by a well-attended meeting by the membership. >>>>> >>>>> The obvious discussions are: >>>>> 1. "the ED decision" of whether we will hand over executive power to >>>>> Jamal, and >>>>> 2. who will be our delegate tomorrow at the Omni meeting. >>>>> >>>>> -jake >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 5:59 PM Paige P via sudo-discuss < >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ok Jemma has volunteered to facilitate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also there was another request that we end at 8PM, so I'll ask >>>>>> again, please be ready to start at 7PM! >>>>>> >>>>>> join remotely here https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 1:53 AM Paige P &lt;pgeplan(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi everyone, please try and show up close to on time! So we dont >>>>>>> waste so much time sitting around. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would be great if we could get a volunteer for facilitator and >>>>>>> agenda but I am not able to make that today. Two obvious discussions are ED >>>>>>> position and how to move past recent conflicts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paige >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> More options at >>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>> More options at >>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at >> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> >