sudo-discuss December 2013

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Anyone object to Occupy holding our weekly GA meeting at the common space for a few weeks?

by Ed Biow

Greetings cronies, Every Sunday Occupy Oakland meets at OGP (e.g. Frank Ogawa Plaza) at 2PM for what is rather grandiloquently still referred to as General Assembly, but lately it has been colder then the proverbial bucket full of penguin guano and we would like to have our meetings at the sudoroom common space through the end of January if no one objects unduly. These days GA is perhaps a dozen folks, mostly dotards like me, unfortunately predominantly cursed with a Y chromosome. We almost never riot and torch the town these days, mostly just rehash the previous weeks' political actions and plan the next weeks' protests against the evil empire. These days our main focus is labor & debtor solidarity, anti-repression organizing (e.g. police brutality and surveillance), and attempts to protect the commons & the environment. Also, we would like to participate in the crypto-parties next Sunday and in January. We certainly want to figure out how to protect our own communications from being unduly monitored by the state and Daniel & I may try and train a few of our folks how to use the Wordpress interface for our web site. Anywho, I plan to attend the sudoroom weekly meeting tomorrow after the Oakland Privacy Working Group <https://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/organize-against-the-oakland-domain-awaren…> meeting and see if anyone objects to our presence for the next month and a half. Solidarity whenever, Ed the Red

11 years, 10 months

Meeting Tomorrow, 7pm at Sudo Room!

by Jenny Ryan

Hey sudo, Tomorrow's weekly meeting is an important one! How can we clarify our membership process to better onboard new folks and maintain a stable income from dues? What do people think about moving to one of our new potential spaces <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Spaces#Current>? Add to the agenda: https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroommeeting Cheers, Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://thepyre.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`

11 years, 10 months

Fwd: Notice of Increase - The Sudo Room

by Matthew Senate

This is in line with near-inflation rate and agreed upon in the lease as I recall. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> Date: Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 7:14 PM Subject: Notice of Increase - The Sudo Room To: mattsenate(a)gmail.com Cc: exchequer(a)sudoroom.org, eddan(a)eddan.com Hi Matt & Eddan- In accordance with the terms of the lease, there will be an increase due on 1/1/14 in the amount of $45/month (new rent = $1545/month). I just plumb forgot to do on 12/1, so this year you got an extra month at the old rate :-). Thanks- Laurie

11 years, 10 months

Welding Shields (number 10 masks), Steel, Bike Frames, Etc

by Matthew Senate

Hey all, The "Wobbly Wheels" union pedicab collective is seeking materials to build pedicabs. Anyone have access or connections to resources for mig welding (especially steel)? + Welding Shields (number 10 masks) + Steel + Bike Frames + Welding Wire + Full Pedicabs + More! // Matt

11 years, 10 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] 3D Printer - needs new heating element

by Yardena Cohen

Hey all, what's the status of this? What parts do we still need? I'd love to help pay for them if someone knows what parts to buy. And anything else I need to do to get our printer working ASAP. Thanks!

11 years, 10 months

Waste Mgmt screwup re: recycling/green acct #s

by David Keenan

I just found out today, Waste Management are trying to bill Sudo Room (and therefore BAPS) for 2 extra recycling bins and one extra green-waste bin that we don't have. That is, WM thinks we have always had 3x 96gal recycling bins and 2x 64gal green-waste bins in all. Whereas Sudo/BAPS have only ever had 1x 96gal recycling, and 1x 64gal green waste bin (* technically our green bin is also 96gal, but since WM apparently didn't actually have any 64gal-sized bins, they just give us the 96gal and charge us for 64gal.) So far as I can tell, what happened is: WM assigned an additional, second recycling+green waste account to Sudo, that is not ours. This additional secondary bill is past due ~4 mo to the tune of ~$500. This bogus bill was not visible to us online, and I only found out about it today after getting hit up by WM's collection department on the phone, whereupon I asked them to email me copies of the invoices. After looking the bogus bill over, today at around 12noon, I called WM back and wrangled with the billing dept phone rep "Christopher", who generated a *Case ID # 2377511* for the accounting department to "review" this screw-up. Although it's not hard to see the error, as it is a second bill for twice as many recycling bins at the same address for the same time period. Therefore, before interfacing with WM, please take note of the following information: Sudo room's CORRECT recycling and green waste account # (paid in full through Nov): *699-0009853-2216-3* (<-- right) This other INCORRECT recycling/green account, misattributed to Sudo: 065-4415376-2216-5 (<-- wrong) SUDO/BAPS'ERS: DO NOT EVER PAY THIS ACCOUNT. Attached are the two different recycling+greenwaste invoices for the month of October - one labelled *correct* (and paid), and one labelled *incorrect*(unpaid). If you talk to WM, please refer to these. I know these aren't the latest bills, but it's simpler to discuss them with WM without referring past due amounts. For the record, Sudo has a separately-billed WM account just for the *garbage*, which is: 065-4415386-2216-4. The garbage account has thus far not been confused, just the recycling/green. Best, David

11 years, 10 months

please email me/the list impressions or photos of first friday

by Romy Ilano

i'd like to make a blog post and get research done for the art murmur group.

11 years, 10 months

Meeting Agenda

by Matthew Senate

Hey all, Please add stuff to the meeting agenda for this Weds: https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroommeeting // Matt

11 years, 10 months

YAY for JENNY!! (Thanks from Timon WAS Re: Conflict resolution item for Wednesday meeting)

by Timon

Thanks so much for disambiguating! With this additional knowledge, I'm happy to be removed from the agenda again. On 12/9/2013 10:14 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote: > This is not a sudo room vs Timon conflict - it's a George vs. Timon > conflict. Having been in the space last night, I can report that > Matt's call to George was simply a followup to Friday's conversation, > in which George had told Matt that Timon had been kicked out of the > building and that he couldn't be in the sudo space. Matt told Timon as > much, and that his being in the space could jeapordize our lease, and > Timon peaceably agreed to stay out of sudo room. > > Matt followed up with George to say that while we could border the > boundaries of sudo room proper, and that Timon had agreed to stay out > of sudo room, we couldn't control who had access to the common space > (and that Timon was currently in the common space - but he didn't say > anything about him bothering anyone). At that point, George asked Matt > to call the police. Matt refused, saying this was an issue between > George and Timon, and that it was completely out of line to put us > (sudo room) in the middle of a landlord-tenant conflict. He also asked > George not to give the police his number. > > About 15 minutes later, Matt received a call from the police on behalf > of Sonitrol (the building's security contractors - George put Matt's > number as primary point-of-contact several months ago, despite > numerous requests for him not to). I was also in the room for this > conversation, and Matt's response was essentially, "This is not our > issue. The landlord has kicked a tenant out of the building and it's > between them." Matt answered their questions to the extent of > supplying them with some descriptive characteristics (name and > height), but did not provide anything further (no personal complaints > or allegations). After the call, another sudoer present informed Timon > that the police had been called by George, and Timon left the common > space. All present in sudo room at the time were uncomfortable about > the police being invoked, and none of us would willingly bring them > into our space regarding a nonviolent interpersonal conflict (had that > even been the case). > > Sudo Room has a conflict resolution process for dealing with conflicts > in the community that was written in large part by Matt himself. > However, we have a contractual obligation to our landlord that makes > this particular situation complicated (as we do not own the building > and have no jurisdiction over the landlord's decisions). Had Timon > actually been bothering people in the space at that time, Matt would > have either talked to him directly or requested mediation by another > sudoer. Hopefully this is an unintentional miscommunication between > George and Laurie, but it seems they are trying to put sudo room in > the middle of their conflict with Timon. > > Hoping this clarifies things so we can spend more time on Wednesday > investigating our new potential spaces rather than a conflict that is > not, in fact, between Sudo Room and Timon. > > Jenny > http://jennyryan.net <http://jennyryan.net/> > http://thepyre.org <http://thepyre.org/> > http://thevirtualcampfire.org <http://thevirtualcampfire.org/> > http://technomadic.tumblr.com <http://technomadic.tumblr.com/> > > `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` > "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." > -Laurie Anderson > > "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining > it." > -Hannah Arendt > > "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." > -Stéphane Mallarmé > ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Timon <timondocent(a)gmail.com > <mailto:timondocent@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Since I'll be at the meeting, that will be a convenient time to > have me arrested, if anyone wishes. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: Expulsion from common area > Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 00:08:53 -0800 > From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> > <mailto:Lscoop@comcast.net> > To: 'Timon' <timondocent(a)gmail.com> <mailto:timondocent@gmail.com> > > > > p.s. the police came, but we thought it had been cancelled. They were > called because Matt said that you were bothering people, not because George > said that you can't be in there. Matt called us, we didn't call him. > Neither George nor I was privy to what led up to his call. Sonitrol called > the police and gave them Matt's #. The Police called Matt and Matt said > that you had left the room and that they didn't need to come, so we thought > it was done. An hour later we got a call from Matt; they showed up anyway > and George had to run down there. Not what we wanted on a Sunday eve. > L > > -----Original Message----- > From: Timon [mailto:timondocent@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:54 PM > To: Laurie Cooperman Rosen > Subject: Expulsion from common area > > On Friday night after we talked (sometime after 6:15PM, when he'd required > me to take his appointment), or perhaps between when I made my Monday > appointment with you yesterday (Saturday) afternoon and when I got back from > my volunteer/internship gig at about 6pm, George seems to have decided my > alleged "second chance" (as in "everyone deserves a second chance") was > retroactively canceled, and told people I was "not allowed" in the building. > > After Sudo (Matt) asked me yesterday -- because of some direct communication > from George I do not know about (between 1:45PM and 6ish > PM) not to be in the Sudo room part of the common area yesterday night, and > out of respect for not wanting to put sudo room (the group: my friends and > colleagues, acquaintances and primary social millieu and > support) in a difficult place, I retrieved a few possessions and donations > and then left both sudo room's room and their common area section, and have > not returned, as I told everyone I would not. > > Tonight, as I was peacefully eating my dinner and listening to a good > physics and game-theory lecture/conversation from OUTSIDE of the Sudo area > today, Matt handed me a phone, and said it was George. (I told George I was > recording it, mid-call, and he did not voice objection). > > Per George, Matt had asked that I be required to leave. After George hung up > on me, saying he'd called the cops and would not "repeat himself " as I > asked for clarification, I found out the request didn't come from George. > > I will not be in the common area, unless invited by The Public School, until > we talk. I doubt I would even if so invited, out of respect for anyone else > who should be spared this drama. > > Feel free to cancel the call to the cops or not, as you see fit. > > -Timon > > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >

11 years, 10 months

Conflict resolution item for Wednesday meeting

by Timon

Since I'll be at the meeting, that will be a convenient time to have me arrested, if anyone wishes. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: Expulsion from common area Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 00:08:53 -0800 From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> To: 'Timon' <timondocent(a)gmail.com> p.s. the police came, but we thought it had been cancelled. They were called because Matt said that you were bothering people, not because George said that you can't be in there. Matt called us, we didn't call him. Neither George nor I was privy to what led up to his call. Sonitrol called the police and gave them Matt's #. The Police called Matt and Matt said that you had left the room and that they didn't need to come, so we thought it was done. An hour later we got a call from Matt; they showed up anyway and George had to run down there. Not what we wanted on a Sunday eve. L -----Original Message----- From: Timon [mailto:timondocent@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:54 PM To: Laurie Cooperman Rosen Subject: Expulsion from common area On Friday night after we talked (sometime after 6:15PM, when he'd required me to take his appointment), or perhaps between when I made my Monday appointment with you yesterday (Saturday) afternoon and when I got back from my volunteer/internship gig at about 6pm, George seems to have decided my alleged "second chance" (as in "everyone deserves a second chance") was retroactively canceled, and told people I was "not allowed" in the building. After Sudo (Matt) asked me yesterday -- because of some direct communication from George I do not know about (between 1:45PM and 6ish PM) not to be in the Sudo room part of the common area yesterday night, and out of respect for not wanting to put sudo room (the group: my friends and colleagues, acquaintances and primary social millieu and support) in a difficult place, I retrieved a few possessions and donations and then left both sudo room's room and their common area section, and have not returned, as I told everyone I would not. Tonight, as I was peacefully eating my dinner and listening to a good physics and game-theory lecture/conversation from OUTSIDE of the Sudo area today, Matt handed me a phone, and said it was George. (I told George I was recording it, mid-call, and he did not voice objection). Per George, Matt had asked that I be required to leave. After George hung up on me, saying he'd called the cops and would not "repeat himself " as I asked for clarification, I found out the request didn't come from George. I will not be in the common area, unless invited by The Public School, until we talk. I doubt I would even if so invited, out of respect for anyone else who should be spared this drama. Feel free to cancel the call to the cops or not, as you see fit. -Timon

11 years, 10 months

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