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Edwinsaurus

2 Aug 2022 2 Aug '22

11:58 p.m.

We have been waiting for a sensing system to be programmed for security in CCL and sudo room. Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise security concerns. Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door. If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the duration, that's cool, prop it open. When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked. Here's how to unlock the door: 1. check to see no one is watching you 2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door (see photo) while saying "open sesame" 3. push open the door and enter. [image: opensezme.jpg] to lock the door, just close it. The door also opens from inside. This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.

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Jake

3 Aug 3 Aug

1:06 a.m.

It is not appropriate for a single person to unilaterally make and implement policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this. I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to have a discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to engage in the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the secret of the door-opening button. I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least make a sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the other side of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned that someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their property was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but not a lesson to ignore). We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone numbers) and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing the RFID access card project. Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like this without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion. Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should say "the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just below eye level, don't put items in the walkway that block the path" and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door". -jake On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:

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Patrik D'haeseleer

2:18 a.m.

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We have been waiting for a sensing system to be programmed for security

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Jake

31 Aug 31 Aug

6:06 p.m.

Hi all, Today I got a call asking how to get into sudo/CCL by a sudoroom member. As I said in previous messages, I don't think it's appropriate to shut/lock the door without first putting up a sign explaining who to contact in case of being unable to get through the door. I don't think it's a huge big deal for someone to make the sign and put it up there, so I don't understand why it hasn't happened yet, but people keep locking the door. Who knows how many people wanted to access the space and couldn't figure out how to get in? Hopefully not too many. If nobody cares about access through this door enough to figure out a phone tree and a sign, at the very least, then I will take the latch back off the door so that we don't have any more problems with people being locked out. -jake On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:

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We have been waiting for a sensing system to be programmed for security

Patrik D'haeseleer

7:33 p.m.

Hi Jake, Is there no longer a hook on the door to prop it open when it doesn't need to be locked? I know Michael installed one a while back, but I didn't see it last time. If so, that would be at least part of the problem... Also - do we have any volunteers who would want to be on a door access phone tree? I think taking the door latch back off the door would be a huge step back. Patrik On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 6:06 PM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:

...

I am in favor of starting to use the door lock to CCL/Sudo on a more regular basis, now that it is operational. But I agree with Jake that we need to have some agreements between CCL and Sudo members on when and how to use it. If anyone would like to discuss, feel free to join us later today at the CCL Working Meeting - every Wednesday 7pm: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/820128495?pwd=dE1kMHcxQ2o4UlI5dWdudk9YV1Q4Zz09 Patrik On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: > It is not appropriate for a single person to unilaterally make and > implement > policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this. > > I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to

have

> a > discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to > engage in > the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the

secret

> of > the door-opening button. > > I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least > make a > sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the

other

> side > of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned

that

> someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their > property > was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but

not a

> lesson to ignore). > > We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone > numbers) > and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing the > RFID > access card project. > > Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like

this

> without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion. > > Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should

say

> "the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just below

eye

Jake

1 Sep 1 Sep

3:49 p.m.

Hi Patrik, I checked and the hook that holds the door open is still there. I don't know why it got closed so hopefully these messages help people remember not to close it until we get a system going so that people know what to do if they encounter it closed and locked. -jake On Wed, 31 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:

...

have

> a > discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to > engage in > the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the

secret

> of > the door-opening button. > > I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least > make a > sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the

other

> side > of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned

that

> someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their > property > was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but

not a

this

> without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion. > > Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should

say

> "the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just below

eye

Jake

4 Sep 4 Sep

6:50 p.m.

The hook on the door is still there, but someone again unhooked it and locked the door. There is still no sign on the door with information on what to do if the door is locked, but again today I was told that a sudoroom member arrived and was unable to get through the door and didn't know what to do. I took some 12ga copper wire and fastened the hook to the door with it to discourage whoever is unhooking and locking the door. If they take the wire off, i'll remove the latch to prevent people from getting locked out. -jake On Wed, 31 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:

...

have

> a > discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to > engage in > the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the

secret

> of > the door-opening button. > > I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least > make a > sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the

other

> side > of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned

that

> someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their > property > was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but

not a

this

> without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion. > > Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should

say

> "the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just below

eye

Jake

18 Sep 18 Sep

1:50 p.m.

This morning I got another call that the door was locked, from someone who had my number. This means someone removed the copper wire that I had twisted onto the hook to keep the door open. Was this really easier than making a phone tree and a sign? I am grateful that people stepped up to prepare for the rains last night. I wish people would also step up to make a phone tree (with phone numbers for CCL and sudoroom volunteers) and make a sign for the door, to prevent the lock latch from becoming more of a problem. -jake On Sun, 4 Sep 2022, Jake wrote:

...

have

> a > discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to > engage in > the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the

secret

> of > the door-opening button. > > I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least > make a > sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the

other

> side > of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned

that

> someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their > property > was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but

not a

this

> without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion. > > Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should

say

> "the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just below

eye

> level, don't put items in the walkway that block the path" > and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door". > > -jake > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote: > >> We have been waiting for a sensing system to be programmed for security > in >> CCL and sudo room. >> Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise >> security concerns. >> Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door. >> If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the >> duration, that's cool, prop it open. >> When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked. >> Here's how to unlock the door: >> 1. check to see no one is watching you >> 2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door >> (see photo) while saying "open sesame" >> 3. push open the door and enter. >> [image: opensezme.jpg] >> to lock the door, just close it. >> The door also opens from inside. >> This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google >> groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure. >> > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org > More options at > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >

Andrew R Gross

19 Sep 19 Sep

11:30 a.m.

I’m all for a phone tree. Anyone who wants to be a contact share their email here so u can make a phone tree. Andy gross 412.657.5332 On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 1:51 PM Jake via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:

...

The hook on the door is still there, but someone again unhooked it and

locked

the door. There is still no sign on the door with information on what to do if the

door

is locked, but again today I was told that a sudoroom member arrived and

was

unable to get through the door and didn't know what to do. I took some 12ga copper wire and fastened the hook to the door with it to discourage whoever is unhooking and locking the door. If they take the

wire

off, i'll remove the latch to prevent people from getting locked out. -jake On Wed, 31 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote: > Hi Jake, > > Is there no longer a hook on the door to prop it open when it doesn't

need

> to be locked? I know Michael installed one a while back, but I didn't

see

> it last time. If so, that would be at least part of the problem... > > Also - do we have any volunteers who would want to be on a door access > phone tree? I think taking the door latch back off the door would be a

huge

> step back. > > Patrik > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 6:06 PM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Today I got a call asking how to get into sudo/CCL by a sudoroom

member.

>> >> As I said in previous messages, I don't think it's appropriate to >> shut/lock the >> door without first putting up a sign explaining who to contact in case

>> being >> unable to get through the door. >> >> I don't think it's a huge big deal for someone to make the sign and

put it

>> up >> there, so I don't understand why it hasn't happened yet, but people

keep

>> locking the door. Who knows how many people wanted to access the

space

>> and >> couldn't figure out how to get in? Hopefully not too many. >> >> If nobody cares about access through this door enough to figure out a >> phone >> tree and a sign, at the very least, then I will take the latch back

off

>> the >> door so that we don't have any more problems with people being locked

out.

>> >> -jake >> >> >> On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote: >> >>> I am in favor of starting to use the door lock to CCL/Sudo on a more >>> regular basis, now that it is operational. But I agree with Jake that

>>> need to have some agreements between CCL and Sudo members on when and

how

>>> to use it. >>> >>> If anyone would like to discuss, feel free to join us later today at

the

>>> CCL Working Meeting - every Wednesday 7pm: >>>

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/820128495?pwd=dE1kMHcxQ2o4UlI5dWdudk9YV1Q4Zz09

>>> >>> Patrik >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss < >>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: >>> >>>> It is not appropriate for a single person to unilaterally make and >>>> implement >>>> policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this. >>>> >>>> I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to >> have >>>> a >>>> discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to >>>> engage in >>>> the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the >> secret >>>> of >>>> the door-opening button. >>>> >>>> I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at

least

>>>> make a >>>> sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the >> other >>>> side >>>> of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned >> that >>>> someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their >>>> property >>>> was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but >> not a >>>> lesson to ignore). >>>> >>>> We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone >>>> numbers) >>>> and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing

the

>>>> RFID >>>> access card project. >>>> >>>> Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like >> this >>>> without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion. >>>> >>>> Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should >> say >>>> "the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just

below

>> eye >>>> level, don't put items in the walkway that block the path" >>>> and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door". >>>> >>>> -jake >>>> >>>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>>> We have been waiting for a sensing system to be programmed for

security

>>>> in >>>>> CCL and sudo room. >>>>> Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that

raise

>>>>> security concerns. >>>>> Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door. >>>>> If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for

the

>>>>> duration, that's cool, prop it open. >>>>> When you exit the area please close the door and check that it

locked.

>>>>> Here's how to unlock the door: >>>>> 1. check to see no one is watching you >>>>> 2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door >>>>> (see photo) while saying "open sesame" >>>>> 3. push open the door and enter. >>>>> [image: opensezme.jpg] >>>>> to lock the door, just close it. >>>>> The door also opens from inside. >>>>> This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at

google

>>>>> groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the

procedure.

>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>> More options at >>>>

https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/

>> >

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-- *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)* 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>

Patrik D'haeseleer

3 Aug 3 Aug

7:40 p.m.

Jake - you mentioned an access group where some of the discussion around the door is going on. Is that a mailing list ? Signal chat? Slack? I don't think anyone from CCL other than Marc has access to this access group... Patrik On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:

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We have been waiting for a sensing system to be programmed for security

Yardena Cohen

4 Aug 4 Aug

8:12 a.m.

"access group" means this mailing list https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/access.sudoroom.org/ On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 7:41 PM Patrik D'haeseleer via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:

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Jake

9:16 a.m.

the email i sent last month telling you and a couple of others about the secret button, was also sent to the access list. you can subscribe here https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/access.sudoroom.org/ On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:

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We have been waiting for a sensing system to be programmed for security

Patrik D'haeseleer

3:02 p.m.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 9:16 AM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:

...

Thanks, Jake - subscribed! Patrik

...

On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:

Jake - you mentioned an access group where some of the discussion around the door is going on. Is that a mailing list ? Signal chat? Slack? I

don't

think anyone from CCL other than Marc has access to this access group... Patrik On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: > It is not appropriate for a single person to unilaterally make and > implement > policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this. > > I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to

have

> a > discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to > engage in > the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the

secret

> of > the door-opening button. > > I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least > make a > sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the

other

> side > of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned

that

> someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their > property > was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but

not a

this

> without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion. > > Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should

say

> "the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just below

eye

Arthur Ulfeldt

3:45 p.m.

I made a wifi RFID door lock named Friendly who also controls Internet connected coffee robots. if that is of interest, I'm very happy to contribute to this effort (or to help in other ways) On Thu, Aug 4, 2022, 3:03 PM Patrik D'haeseleer via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:

...

On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 9:16 AM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote: Thanks, Jake - subscribed! Patrik

On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:

Jake - you mentioned an access group where some of the discussion around the door is going on. Is that a mailing list ? Signal chat? Slack? I

don't

have

> a > discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to > engage in > the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the

secret

> of > the door-opening button. > > I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least > make a > sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the

other

> side > of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned

that

> someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their > property > was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but

not a

> lesson to ignore). > > We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone > numbers) > and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing

the

> RFID > access card project. > > Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like

this

> without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion. > > Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should

say

> "the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just below

eye

security

> in >> CCL and sudo room. >> Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise >> security concerns. >> Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door. >> If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the >> duration, that's cool, prop it open. >> When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked. >> Here's how to unlock the door: >> 1. check to see no one is watching you >> 2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door >> (see photo) while saying "open sesame" >> 3. push open the door and enter. >> [image: opensezme.jpg] >> to lock the door, just close it. >> The door also opens from inside. >> This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at

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