Very disheartening to hear first thing in the morning. Very sorry that happened to you guys. Severely messed up and agreed with Sonja & Ray. Glad to hear you guys are OK though. George Rosen, the landlord - has access to the camera tapes. He has offered access to the live feeds of the cameras before and would likely be very helpful in trying to collaborate on a solution that increases our safety. In addition to regular law enforcement, it seems to me like we should figure out how to make use of the Blue Security ambassador folks. A 'red' button with a direct line to emergency services comes to mind, but am unsure of how that would work. Again, happy to learn you're physically OK. sent from eddan.com On Jun 1, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Raymond Lai <raymond.wm.lai(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry to hear this happened. Glad to hear you are both OK. On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 10:14 AM, revphil <revphil(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Tony Barreca LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybarreca Skype: tonybarreca Twitter: tbarreca Mobile: (510) 710-5864

"if there is any problem at all getting the videos, then: California has very good civil discovery laws. In civil discovery you can ask for just about anything that might lead to evidence. surveillance video is very easy to ask for and get. if you ask for it, they have to come across with it: subpoena duces tecum. when you require a third party to produce things. in other words, file a civil lawsuit against the perps and you can make them give it up; you have the wherewithal backed by the courts to get the video." the preceding was advice given by a dear friend of mine. it is of course not official legal advice, which can only come from your lawyer. On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM, johanna faust <female.faust(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

Could someone do us the major favor of contacting our landlord for the videos from our building? I've been up all night (surprise!) and I really need to go to sleep now. I know from a previous instance that the building next door has longer storage than 48 hours, I think a week, so I can contact their guards when I see them at night. Yargh. Bloody hell. Me sleep now, finally.... -G. ===== On 13-06-01-Sat 11:03 AM, johanna faust wrote:

Re. starting a new thread, I'm too scrambled now to do that, but if someone can contact them, that would be great. I'll be more functional after I get some sleep. Sleep is non-negotiable at this point. Signing off for hopefully more than six hours... -G. On 13-06-01-Sat 11:20 AM, johanna faust wrote:

Since someone asked in private email, paraphrasing, "dude, what gives, you're against surveillance and now you want the video tapes?", here's my reply to them, which should hopefully address anyone else who has the same question (whether sincere or sarcastic). I added a little bit of stuff to clarify some of the more ambiguous bits, compared to what I sent to the person who originally emailed me about this topic. (name)- I'm trying to get my mind off this and finally get to sleep, but since you asked, here's the answer, and this answer pre-dates my near-miss with a bullet through my soft squishy guts. I'm dead-set opposed to persistent pervasive tracking, and promiscuous data-sharing for the purpose of "predicting and controlling" (the data mining industry's phrase, not mine) individual behavior, or otherwise acting against individuals without their knowledge, effective consent, or means of redress or recourse. For example when a prospective employer says "give me your social security number and all your online usernames," and then contracts with a data-miner who pulls up a dossier that includes your smiling face at a protest, hanging out with the Circle-A crowd, as well as a couple more of your old userIDs you forgot you ever had, and decides they don't want to hire you. That sort of thing infringes two 1st Amendment rights (speech and association, and even if 1st A rights strictly speaking only apply against acts of government, the bottom line is that depriving someone of a job due to their political speech & association is effectively a form of coercion) and also gives you no due process and no recourse whatsoever. It represents a gross over-reach by the employer and by the data-miners, into your life outside the workplace, in which they have no legitimate interest unless they wish to assert that they OWN you in totality. I'm not opposed to, and never have been opposed to, video cameras in public places that record to local storage media and are not otherwise used for tracking or interfaced to online systems capable of tracking innocent persons' activities. The difference is between a) local storage that is not data-mined and correlated, and rarely utilized in any way, vs. b) promiscuous data sharing and correlation that enables tracking individuals in detail on a mass scale and is used for exactly that purpose on a mass scale. I'm not interested in getting a dossier on Robbie the Robber's life history. I could care less about his politics, his religion if any, his taste in music, his eating habits, or whether he's in the market for a new mobile device (apparently he is, judging from the way he groped my pants looking for a nonexistent cellphone: the particular combination of a gun in your face and a hand touching you two inches from your naughty bits is especially creepy, but I digress). I _am_ interested in getting the video of the attack, from which he might be identified, and then having him charged with a crime, where he will have full due process of law including the right to cross-examine me and my friend James and anyone else he pleases. And yes, I would object vociferously if the cameras on the buildings were fed into some kind of Facebook/Google Borg that face-matched and spat out the name of every person passing within view, even if that made it easier to catch Robbie the Robber. By analogy the difference is between a targeted wiretap performed with a warrant signed by a judge, vs. broad-spectrum signals intelligence that hoovers up every phone call on a national network, with nothing more than presidential say-so. So no, there's no contradiction between my opposition to broad-spectrum surveillance, and my desire to get the specific videos that will show nothing more than the actual attack that could have killed James and I. And so, to bed for me, yes, at this hour. I'm not going to let Robbie the Robber rootkit my brain, so I'm going to try to get at least 6 hours' sleep, and then drop in some time tonight rather than hiding under a rock. See you 'round, as they say. Since other people may have the same question, whether sincere or sarcastic, I'm going to post my reply to the list, but not your email, which was private (having learned that lesson a week ago to watch out for private emails that look like listmail). -G. Going to sleep now, be back in hopefully more than 6 hours. ====

he went to sleep an hour ago may be down for the count. i think was hoping to catch at least six hours..... On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:

Eddan, Did anyone take screenshots of this? We are trying to view the website with the Oakland downtown ambassadors who are trying ot help out. we just get a blank website page. On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:

It should work when going directly to http://50.1.57.132:81, which then redirects you to the webcamera.html page. Since bandwidth can become an issue for this system - we should have a short moratorium on others accessing the video while it's being recorded on highest resolution. sent from eddan.com On Jun 1, 2013, at 4:47 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:

I was able to track him go around the corner and run South down Broadway in front of the entrance. The time stamp indicates 1:46 AM, which I presume is a DST offset for 2:46 AM as the approximate actual time. I have some screen grabs as well of the actual incident occurring about 20 seconds earlier in front of the door way at 22nd Street, which I can provide off-list as other individuals are also visible in that footage. Details on the clothing from looking at a composite of images are red track pants, and a white sleeveless jacket with red sections near the top. I tried saying "enhance" over and over again at my computer, however the resolution failed to magically resolve any facial details, and I don't think doing a multi-frame composition will do much better. There may be some additional first hand details to add to the description, in particular height/age. On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 4:59 PM, J.C. <r33lmm(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- ThanX, ;+) https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/%C3%9F%C3%AA%C3%A3%C2%B5

Have we called the police yet? George has also called KRON (local news) to give them access, in case the police is unresponsive. sent from eddan.com On Jun 1, 2013, at 4:59 PM, "J.C." <r33lmm(a)gmail.com> wrote:

car arrives 1:45:19. Same guy exits the vehicle. This happened pretty quick... On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Alcides Gutierrez <alcides888(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: -- Alcides Gutierrez http://e64.us

On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: -- Alcides Gutierrez http://e64.us

Here's that witness again. She saw both persons in the vehicle (assuming the driver and front passenger only). On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01(a)att.net>wrote;wrote: -- Alcides Gutierrez http://e64.us

Heh, looks like my description from memory failed pretty badly on the clothes. I haven't seen any of the video or pictures yet, would prefer not to until I'm sitting with friends. MAJOR thanks to everyone for the huge solidarity thing here. That really makes a difference. -G. On 13-06-01-Sat 4:59 PM, J.C. wrote:

This person looks like they got a good look at the driver. Is this person there frequently? On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:52 PM, J.C. <r33lmm(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Alcides Gutierrez http://e64.us

Perhaps not a reliable witness in court. Maybe reliable enough to get leads from about the car. Just saying. Im not a detective. :) Alcides Gutierrez http://e64.us On Jun 2, 2013 11:05 AM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:

Johanna & YOs- Very interesting. Two more guys who might be identifiable (especially the colorful box/bag one of them had), who could be connected to this, and possibly doing robberies themselves. How'd you like to turn that into a witness statement? I don't think the guy said what he said in order to scare you, I think he just blurted it out because he passed the location with his friend on the other bike. What's it take to get this on Wednesday night's meeting agenda? -G. ===== On 13-06-03-Mon 5:59 AM, johanna faust wrote:

Anyone heard from James? I'm kinda freaked out that I/we haven't heard from him yet. And yeah I'm also feeling responsible for his being robbed, because it was on account of me that he was even outside in the first place. Meet new friend, have a great conversation for hours, and then nearly get him killed. Bloody hell. Yeah that too. -G.

i also cannot see On 6/1/13, Romy Ilano <romy(a)snowyla.com> wrote:

Hi y'all- I'm back. Well hot-damn!, we gots video. One-two-three-POUNCE!;-) Most importantly: anyone heard from James? Yeah I will come on down just as soon as I eat breakfast (at this hour!) and make a couple of phone calls. Who's around right now? Anyone heard from James? I get the distinct impression that it would be really really helpful if any of a number of people I think of as good friends here (you know who you are;-) would be around when I have to watch that video clip, by way of (this is going to sound dumb but what the hey) holding my hands or something. And yes I'd also like to keep a copy of it on my local machine. I'm not going to watch it until then. James and I were assuming that Robbie the Robber would have ditched those clothes, and thinking further about it, those clothes may have been a deliberate disguise or distraction, to get people looking for the clothes rather than the robber by face and build. Description from memory: dark-complexion black male approx. 6' tall but crouched while robbing us, thin build, yellow-orange open shirt over white t-shirt, I did not notice his pants but James said yellow pants, short dark hair possibly receding in front, age anywhere 18-30, no obvious tattoos or other marks. Gun was not a revolver and had a partially semicircular profile across the top of the barrel, flat at the sides of the barrel, possible diagonal ridges along the rear of the barrel toward handgrip, and the opening at the end of barrel appeared about the size of a 10-cent piece (though we all know that guns look bigger when they're pointed at you). BTW the reason the police use a suspect-description system that goes: color, gender, height, weight, clothes top, clothes bottom, age, hair, tattoos/marks, is because it starts from the things you can see from the furthest distance away that can't change, and then goes to the things that you have to be closer to see clearly, then clothes which can change, and lastly tattoos etc. that you can only see clearly from close-up. In retrospect it occurs to me: I didn't see much of the sides of his face, from which I can infer he was wearing a hoodie, which would have been what I recalled as the "open shirt." OK, so I'll watch the video when I come in, and find out how that does or doesn't match with the video. What might have saved my life: Saying "dude, I can't even see you." As in, without glasses on, and that meaning was probably clear. As in, can't see you clearly enough to identify you. Which was of course BS, but in any case we've got the video. G. status update: Got as much sleep as possible, which is about 5-1/2 hours' worth (typical for a work night, blech). Learned something interesting about how my brain processes this stuff (details on request or later), and my resting pulse is still 90 - 92 (is normally in the low 70s, wondering about going to the hospital to see if there's a pill for that). Here's a science paper I read last night, if anyone's interested in the kind of stuff I do to relax after a long work day or a night of having a gun stuck in my face: http://www.alexwg.org/publications/PhysRevLett_110-168702.pdf More later, gotta eat breakfast. If you already have my phone number feel free to call me, but please no posting my phone number to the list. Hey, how'bout a Kickstarter to get T-shirts printed with this: "Visited the Robbery Capitol of America and was robbed, but at least I got this T-shirt." Print a few hundred, they'd probably sell. -G. On 13-06-01-Sat 2:30 PM, Eddan Katz wrote: