2 Jan
2014
2 Jan
'14
7:23 p.m.
Hey all,
George has offered to replace the hydraulic system in the elevator, which
is a $1500 job according to him. He wants to ask sudo room for $250 and the
public school $100 to cover part of the cost.
I'm unsure how this fits with regard to our lease, but either way we should
figure out how to respond at the next meeting.
// Matt
4 Jan
4 Jan
9:56 a.m.
So in addition to the rent, utilities and the myriad odd jobs - on second
thought, let's call them "favors" since the word "job" usually
implies
compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs on HIS
building? The man has no shame.
I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase will add up to around $500
by the end of the year, he'll double down if he can hold out till next
December...and that if you were to pony up that you expect, at the very
least, a brass plaque mounted inside the elevator listing all of the donors
that made this ride possible. Or that we have a time machine in beta
testing and that "where we're going we don't need elevators" while
stuffing
compost into your backpack.
In other words, anything but "yes."
-chrisbee
10:14 a.m.
Lets just say you could sue him for even asking. Unbelievable.
On Jan 4, 2014 9:56 AM, "Chris Bee" <hotelcompany(a)gmail.com> wrote:
So in addition to the rent, utilities and the myriad
odd jobs - on second
thought, let's call them "favors" since the word "job" usually
implies
compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs on HIS
building? The man has no shame.
I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase will add up to around
$500 by the end of the year, he'll double down if he can hold out till next
December...and that if you were to pony up that you expect, at the very
least, a brass plaque mounted inside the elevator listing all of the donors
that made this ride possible. Or that we have a time machine in beta
testing and that "where we're going we don't need elevators" while
stuffing
compost into your backpack.
In other words, anything but "yes."
-chrisbee
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4:04 p.m.
good idea!
-d
On Saturday, January 4, 2014, Yardena Cohen wrote:
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Andrew
<andrew@roshambomedia.com<javascript:;>>
wrote:
Lets just say you could sue him for even asking.
Unbelievable.
With that in mind, instead of just saying no, we should ask for a
formal written request, and then say no.
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10:21 a.m.
<3 Chris <3
I second that emotion.
Niki
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris Bee <hotelcompany(a)gmail.com> wrote:
So in addition to the rent, utilities and the myriad
odd jobs - on second
thought, let's call them "favors" since the word "job" usually
implies
compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs on HIS
building? The man has no shame.
I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase will add up to around
$500 by the end of the year, he'll double down if he can hold out till next
December...and that if you were to pony up that you expect, at the very
least, a brass plaque mounted inside the elevator listing all of the donors
that made this ride possible. Or that we have a time machine in beta
testing and that "where we're going we don't need elevators" while
stuffing
compost into your backpack.
In other words, anything but "yes."
-chrisbee
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11:06 a.m.
I've given it some thought and can definitely understand the inclination to
help George out in the interest of improving our relations, but it's just
that, in my own experience doing that - buying goodwill with George with
cash, or favors large and small i.e. free labor - doesn't actually work..he
just forgets basically, or takes it for granted totally, i.e. comes to
expect it, and in a week he will be again yelling at one of us about
anything thats on his mind, or dragging garbage all over the space, and
continuing to use our trash service for the entire building,
and unilaterally shutting off the AC which we cant turn back on unless he
accidentally leaves the roof access open...and basically you know, doing
whatever the hell he wants regardless of how it affects us. This is a guy
who regularly yells at me or hangs up on me while i am in the very act of
helping him. Laurie is not the greatest but she is not like that, and I
would kick down if it was just her running the building. But it's George's
building, and his general inclination seems to be to treat his
tenants poorly, and this goes for every tenant in the building (Ive talked
with all of them), not just BAPS/Sudo.
I think we should tell him our combined discretionary funds have already
been allotted to the rent increase.
best,
david
On Saturday, January 4, 2014, niki wrote:
<3 Chris <3
I second that emotion.
Niki
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris Bee <hotelcompany@gmail.com<javascript:_e({},
'cvml', 'hotelcompany(a)gmail.com');>
wrote:
So in addition to the rent, utilities and the
myriad odd jobs - on second
thought, let's call them "favors" since the word "job" usually
implies
compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs on HIS
building? The man has no shame.
I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase will add up to around
$500 by the end of the year, he'll double down if he can hold out till next
December...and that if you were to pony up that you expect, at the very
least, a brass plaque mounted inside the elevator listing all of the donors
that made this ride possible. Or that we have a time machine in beta
testing and that "where we're going we don't need elevators" while
stuffing
compost into your backpack.
In other words, anything but "yes."
-chrisbee
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3:36 p.m.
The (not so) funny thing is that this request comes on the heels of a rent
hike.
If I were the one being asked, what I would say would be "Sorry, not my
building, not my problem, good luck." What I would WANT to say is "Unless
you agree that I can take the parts out of the elevator that I'm paying for
with me when I move out- or, better yet, be reimbursed for them- I would
sooner free climb the outside wall with my bike in my teeth in a hailstorm
before covering your ends."
There's something about this guy that brings out the troll in me. Not that
I would ever act on it but...it's like, you're A FUCKING LANDLORD, behave
like one. A few years back I had a bad run-in extremely sketchy/irrational
landlord who was sort of like the female version of George, so maybe it's
PTSD. Who knows.
BTW, I'm sure everyone here realizes that what I'm saying is (mostly) in
levity....I would love to straighten the guy out personally, but I don't
see what purpose it would serve other than giving him a real reason to yell
at somebody and we obviously don't want that.
-chrisbee
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I've given it some thought and can definitely
understand the inclination
to help George out in the interest of improving our relations, but it's
just that, in my own experience doing that - buying goodwill with
George with cash, or favors large and small i.e. free labor - doesn't
actually work..he just forgets basically, or takes it for granted totally,
i.e. comes to expect it, and in a week he will be again yelling at one of
us about anything thats on his mind, or dragging garbage all over the
space, and continuing to use our trash service for the entire building,
and unilaterally shutting off the AC which we cant turn back on unless he
accidentally leaves the roof access open...and basically you know, doing
whatever the hell he wants regardless of how it affects us. This is a guy
who regularly yells at me or hangs up on me while i am in the very act of
helping him. Laurie is not the greatest but she is not like that, and I
would kick down if it was just her running the building. But it's George's
building, and his general inclination seems to be to treat his
tenants poorly, and this goes for every tenant in the building (Ive talked
with all of them), not just BAPS/Sudo.
I think we should tell him our combined discretionary funds have already
been allotted to the rent increase.
best,
david
On Saturday, January 4, 2014, niki wrote:
<3 Chris <3
I second that emotion.
Niki
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So in addition to the rent, utilities and the
myriad odd jobs - on
second thought, let's call them "favors" since the word "job"
usually
implies compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs
on HIS building? The man has no shame.
I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase will add up to around
$500 by the end of the year, he'll double down if he can hold out till next
December...and that if you were to pony up that you expect, at the very
least, a brass plaque mounted inside the elevator listing all of the donors
that made this ride possible. Or that we have a time machine in beta
testing and that "where we're going we don't need elevators" while
stuffing
compost into your backpack.
In other words, anything but "yes."
-chrisbee
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6 Jan
6 Jan
2:24 p.m.
I think this has gone far enough. I like yar's idea to get his request in writing,
and respond negative very clearly in writing.
I volunteer to participate in any face to face discussions with our landlords if needed -
we need to address all such unacceptable proposals squarely.
cheers
Jan 4, 2014 03:36:42 PM, hotelcompany(a)gmail.com wrote:
The (not so) funny thing is that this request comes on the heels of a rent hike.
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If I were the one being asked, what I would say would be "Sorry, not my building, not
my problem, good luck." What I would WANT to say is "Unless you agree that I can
take the parts out of the elevator that I'm paying for with me when I move out- or,
better yet, be reimbursed for them- I would sooner free climb the outside wall with my
bike in my teeth in a hailstorm before covering your ends."
There's something about this guy that brings out
the troll in me. Not that I would ever act on it but...it's like, you're A FUCKING
LANDLORD, behave like one. A few years back I had a bad run-in extremely
sketchy/irrational landlord who was sort of like the female version of George, so maybe
it's PTSD. Who knows.
BTW, I'm sure everyone here realizes that what
I'm saying is (mostly) in levity....I would love to straighten the guy out personally,
but I don't see what purpose it would serve other than giving him a real reason to
yell at somebody and we obviously don't want that.
-chrisbee
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM, David Keenan dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I've given it some thought and can
definitely understand the inclination to help George out in the interest of improving our
relations, but it's just that, in my own experience doing that - buying goodwill with
George with cash, or favors large and small i.e. free labor - doesn't
actually work..he just forgets basically, or takes it for granted totally, i.e. comes to
expect it, and in a week he will be again yelling at one of us about anything thats on his
mind, or dragging garbage all over the space, and continuing to use our trash service for
the entire building, and unilaterally shutting off the AC which we cant turn back on
unless he accidentally leaves the roof access open...and basically you know, doing
whatever the hell he wants regardless of how it affects us. This is a guy who regularly
yells at me or hangs up on me while i am in the very act of helping him. Laurie is not the
greatest but she is not like that, and I would kick down if it was just her running the
building. But it's George's building, and his general inclination seems to be to
treat his tenants poorly, and this goes for every tenant in the building (Ive talked with
all of them), not just BAPS/Sudo.
I think we should tell him our combined discretionary
funds have already been allotted to the rent increase.
best,david
On Saturday, January 4, 2014, niki wrote:
I second that emotion.
Niki
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris Bee hotelcompany(a)gmail.com> wrote:
So in addition to the rent, utilities and the myriad
odd jobs - on second thought, let's call them "favors" since the word
"job" usually implies compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the
overhead costs on HIS building? The man has no shame.
I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase will
add up to around $500 by the end of the year, he'll double down if he can hold out
till next December...and that if you were to pony up that you expect, at the very least, a
brass plaque mounted inside the elevator listing all of the donors that made this ride
possible. Or that we have a time machine in beta testing and that "where we're
going we don't need elevators" while stuffing compost into your backpack.
In other words, anything but "yes."
-chrisbee
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New subject: Mass Effect -- January 10th
Hello hello!
I haven't sent out an update since the last email, but the event has
been moved to January 10th @ 6:00pm.
For more details: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mass_effect
For the event: https://www.facebook.com/events/700853143281064
Take care,
Jeremy
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6:26 p.m.
That being said, I appreciate taking William's assessment into
consideration, especially given he is also a tenant.
Further, thinking tactically, do we want the elevator to be safer and break
down less regularly? Perhaps we could negotiate. This is an option.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
I think this has gone far enough. I like yar's
idea to get his request in
writing, and respond negative very clearly in writing.
I volunteer to participate in any face to face discussions with our
landlords if needed - we need to address all such unacceptable proposals
squarely.
cheers
Jan 4, 2014 03:36:42 PM, hotelcompany(a)gmail.com wrote:
The (not so) funny thing is that this request comes on the heels of a rent
hike.
>-chrisbee
>On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM, David Keenan dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>I second that emotion.
>Niki
>On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris
Bee hotelcompany(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>In other words, anything but "yes."
>-chrisbee
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If I were the one being asked, what I would say would be "Sorry, not my
building, not my problem, good luck." What I would WANT to say is "Unless
you agree that I can take the parts out of the elevator that I'm paying for
with me when I move out- or, better yet, be reimbursed for them- I would
sooner free climb the outside wall with my bike in my teeth in a hailstorm
before covering your ends."
There's something about this guy that brings
out the troll in me. Not
that I would ever act on it but...it's like,
you're A FUCKING LANDLORD,
behave like one. A few years back I had a bad run-in extremely
sketchy/irrational landlord who was sort of like the female version of
George, so maybe it's PTSD. Who knows.
BTW, I'm sure everyone here realizes that what
I'm saying is (mostly) in
levity....I would love to straighten the guy out
personally, but I don't
see what purpose it would serve other than giving him a real reason to yell
at somebody and we obviously don't want that.
I've given it some thought and can definitely
understand the inclination
to help George out in the interest of improving our
relations, but it's
just that, in my own experience doing that - buying goodwill with
George with cash, or favors large and small i.e. free labor - doesn't
actually work..he just forgets basically, or takes it for granted totally,
i.e. comes to expect it, and in a week he will be again yelling at one of
us about anything thats on his mind, or dragging garbage all over the
space, and continuing to use our trash service for the entire building,
and unilaterally shutting off the AC which we cant turn back on unless he
accidentally leaves the roof access open...and basically you know, doing
whatever the hell he wants regardless of how it affects us. This is a guy
who regularly yells at me or hangs up on me while i am in the very act of
helping him. Laurie is not the greatest but she is not like that, and I
would kick down if it was just her running the building. But it's George's
building, and his general inclination seems to be to treat his
tenants poorly, and this goes for every tenant in the building (Ive talked
with all of them), not just BAPS/Sudo.
I think we should tell him our combined
discretionary funds have already
been allotted to the rent increase.
best,david
>On Saturday, January 4, 2014, niki wrote:
So in addition to the rent, utilities and the
myriad odd jobs - on second
thought, let's call them "favors" since
the word "job" usually implies
compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs on HIS
building? The man has no shame.
I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase
will add up to around
$500 by the end of the year, he'll double down if he can
hold out till next
December...and that if you were to pony up that you expect, at the very
least, a brass plaque mounted inside the elevator listing all of the donors
that made this ride possible. Or that we have a time machine in beta
testing and that "where we're going we don't need elevators" while
stuffing
compost into your backpack.
9:51 p.m.
Well, sure, we all want a safer elevator...but at the expense of George
running roughshod over any semblance of normal landlord/tenant relations?
If the bargaining chip involved George voluntarily attending anger
management classes and acting on the concerns of his tenants in the future
in a responsible and rational manner, I'd probably give it a pass....but
whenever someone lets him get away with shady/illogical shit, in my mind
it's the same as tacit approval.
I don't want to troll or be the devil's advocate but I agree with yar...if
he wants it that bad, let's put it in writing then take it from there.
-chrisbee
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That being said, I appreciate taking William's
assessment into
consideration, especially given he is also a tenant.
Further, thinking tactically, do we want the elevator to be safer and
break down less regularly? Perhaps we could negotiate. This is an option.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
I think this has gone far enough. I like
yar's idea to get his request
in writing, and respond negative very clearly in writing.
I volunteer to participate in any face to face discussions with our
landlords if needed - we need to address all such unacceptable proposals
squarely.
cheers
Jan 4, 2014 03:36:42 PM, hotelcompany(a)gmail.com wrote:
The (not so) funny thing is that this request comes on the heels of a
rent hike.
>-chrisbee
>On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM, David Keenan dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>I second that emotion.
>Niki
>On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris
Bee hotelcompany(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>In other words, anything but "yes."
>-chrisbee
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If I were the one being asked, what I would say would be "Sorry, not my
building, not my problem, good luck." What I would WANT to say is "Unless
you agree that I can take the parts out of the elevator that I'm paying for
with me when I move out- or, better yet, be reimbursed for them- I would
sooner free climb the outside wall with my bike in my teeth in a hailstorm
before covering your ends."
There's something about this guy that brings
out the troll in me. Not
that I would ever act on it but...it's like,
you're A FUCKING LANDLORD,
behave like one. A few years back I had a bad run-in extremely
sketchy/irrational landlord who was sort of like the female version of
George, so maybe it's PTSD. Who knows.
BTW, I'm sure everyone here realizes that what
I'm saying is (mostly) in
levity....I would love to straighten the guy out
personally, but I don't
see what purpose it would serve other than giving him a real reason to yell
at somebody and we obviously don't want that.
I've given it some thought and can definitely
understand the inclination
to help George out in the interest of improving our
relations, but it's
just that, in my own experience doing that - buying goodwill with
George with cash, or favors large and small i.e. free labor - doesn't
actually work..he just forgets basically, or takes it for granted totally,
i.e. comes to expect it, and in a week he will be again yelling at one of
us about anything thats on his mind, or dragging garbage all over the
space, and continuing to use our trash service for the entire building,
and unilaterally shutting off the AC which we cant turn back on unless he
accidentally leaves the roof access open...and basically you know, doing
whatever the hell he wants regardless of how it affects us. This is a guy
who regularly yells at me or hangs up on me while i am in the very act of
helping him. Laurie is not the greatest but she is not like that, and I
would kick down if it was just her running the building. But it's George's
building, and his general inclination seems to be to treat his
tenants poorly, and this goes for every tenant in the building (Ive talked
with all of them), not just BAPS/Sudo.
I think we should tell him our combined
discretionary funds have already
been allotted to the rent increase.
best,david
>On Saturday, January 4, 2014, niki wrote:
So in addition to the rent, utilities and the
myriad odd jobs - on
second thought, let's call them "favors" since
the word "job" usually
implies compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs
on HIS building? The man has no shame.
I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase
will add up to around
$500 by the end of the year, he'll double down if he can
hold out till next
December...and that if you were to pony up that you expect, at the very
least, a brass plaque mounted inside the elevator listing all of the donors
that made this ride possible. Or that we have a time machine in beta
testing and that "where we're going we don't need elevators" while
stuffing
compost into your backpack.
7 Jan
7 Jan
10:36 a.m.
Melissa tells me BAPS did not in fact get a rent increase.
Matt, can you confirm this is also true on your end?
On Monday, January 6, 2014, Chris Bee wrote:
Well, sure, we all want a safer elevator...but at the
expense of George
running roughshod over any semblance of normal landlord/tenant relations?
If the bargaining chip involved George voluntarily attending anger
management classes and acting on the concerns of his tenants in the future
in a responsible and rational manner, I'd probably give it a pass....but
whenever someone lets him get away with shady/illogical shit, in my mind
it's the same as tacit approval.
I don't want to troll or be the devil's advocate but I agree with yar...if
he wants it that bad, let's put it in writing then take it from there.
-chrisbee
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
That being said, I appreciate taking William's assessment into
consideration, especially given he is also a tenant.
Further, thinking tactically, do we want the elevator to be safer and
break down less regularly? Perhaps we could negotiate. This is an option.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
I think this has gone far enough. I like yar's idea to get his request in
writing, and respond negative very clearly in writing.
I volunteer to participate in any face to face discussions with our
landlords if needed - we need to address all such unacceptable proposals
squarely.
cheers
Jan 4, 2014 03:36:42 PM, hotelcompany(a)gmail.com wrote:
The (not so) funny thing is that this request comes on the heels of a rent
hike.
>-chrisbee
>On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM, David Keenan dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>I second that emotion.
>Niki
>On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris
Bee hotelcompany(a)gmail.com> wrote:
If I were the one being asked, what I would say would be "Sorry, not my
building, not my problem, good luck." What I would WANT to say is "Unless
you agree that I can take the parts out of the elevator that I'm paying for
with me when I move out- or, better yet, be reimbursed for them- I would
sooner free climb the outside wall with my bike in my teeth in a hailstorm
before covering your ends."
There's something about this guy that brings
out the troll in me. Not
that I would ever act on it but...it's like,
you're A FUCKING LANDLORD,
behave like one. A few years back I had a bad run-in extremely
sketchy/irrational landlord who was sort of like the female version of
George, so maybe it's PTSD. Who knows.
BTW, I'm sure everyone here realizes that what
I'm saying is (mostly) in
levity....I would love to straighten the guy out
personally, but I don't
see what purpose it would serve other than giving him a real reason to yell
at somebody and we obviously don't want that.
I've given it some thought and can definitely
understand the inclination
to help George out in the interest of improving our
relations, but it's
just that, in my own experience doing that - buying goodwill with
George with cash, or favors large and small i.e. free labor - doesn't
actually work..he just forgets basically, or takes it for granted totally,
i.e. comes to expect it, and in a week he will be again yelling at one of
us about anything thats on his mind, or dragging garbage all over the
space, and continuing to use our trash service for the entire building,
and unilaterally shutting off the AC which we cant turn back on unless he
accidentally leaves the roof access open...and basically you know, doing
whatever the hell he wants regardless of how it affects us. This is a guy
who regularly yells at me or hangs up on me while i am in the very act of
helping him. Laurie is not the greatest but she is not like that, and I
would kick down if it was just her running the building. But it's George's
building, and his general inclination seems to be to treat his
tenants poorly, and this goes for every tenant in the building (Ive talked
with all of them), not just BAPS/Sudo.
I think we should tell him our combined
discretionary funds have already
been allotted to the rent increase.
best,david
>On Saturday, January 4, 2014, niki wrote:
So in addition to the rent, utilities and the
myriad odd jobs - on second
thought, let's call them "favors" since
the word "job" usually implies
compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs on HIS
building? The man has no shame.
I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase
will add up to around
$500 by the end of the year, he
12:10 p.m.
David,
Hmm, we definitely got the increase, I expected ya'll would too, but do not
know. It is in our contract and is not very much (~inflation) so in my
opinion no harm no foul.
Chris,
I understand where everyone is coming from. I just don't have much faith in
line-drawing at this point. Believe me, I am generally an incredibly
principled person--almost to a fault. However, in this instance, I would
rather practice caution and savvy over a confrontation given all the energy
I and others have spent to smooth over our current relations.
For instance, whenever I can, I clean the elevator and bathrooms, as well
as take out all the trash. I am constantly addressing folks about their use
of the common space (usually to inform them that something indeed,
surprisingly, yes, must be cleaned and not left messy, especially because
this space is common to other folks and tenants), ensuring it stays closer
to the landlords' standards (which it barely barely does some of the time).
I clean the kitchenette including others' dishes, vacuum, remove
unnecessary furniture items, move materials back into sudo room, and
others do similar things as well. This is an investment in the very basic
agreement that the main space remain common, shared with others, that
ultimately builds report and trust with the landlords.
So, from my point of view, I see this situation as "Do we want the elevator
fixed or not?" and essentially I lean more toward negotiate and get it
fixed. Otherwise, I think we'd expect a much longer, more complicated
affair with little resolution.
That's just my opinion **shrugs**
This is consistent with asking for a written notice e.g.: "George, can you
send us a written notice over email about the elevator, including a quote
and what you need from the sudo room?" then talk about our options.
// Matt
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Melissa tells me BAPS did not in fact get a rent
increase.
Matt, can you confirm this is also true on your end?
On Monday, January 6, 2014, Chris Bee wrote:
Well, sure, we all want a safer elevator...but at
the expense of George
running roughshod over any semblance of normal landlord/tenant relations?
If the bargaining chip involved George voluntarily attending anger
management classes and acting on the concerns of his tenants in the future
in a responsible and rational manner, I'd probably give it a pass....but
whenever someone lets him get away with shady/illogical shit, in my mind
it's the same as tacit approval.
I don't want to troll or be the devil's advocate but I agree with
yar...if he wants it that bad, let's put it in writing then take it from
there.
-chrisbee
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
That being said, I appreciate taking William's assessment into
consideration, especially given he is also a tenant.
Further, thinking tactically, do we want the elevator to be safer and
break down less regularly? Perhaps we could negotiate. This is an option.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
I think this has gone far enough. I like yar's idea to get his request
in writing, and respond negative very clearly in writing.
I volunteer to participate in any face to face discussions with our
landlords if needed - we need to address all such unacceptable proposals
squarely.
cheers
Jan 4, 2014 03:36:42 PM, hotelcompany(a)gmail.com wrote:
The (not so) funny thing is that this request comes on the heels of a
rent hike.
>-chrisbee
>On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM, David Keenan dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>I second that emotion.
>Niki
>On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris
Bee hotelcompany(a)gmail.com> wrote:
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
If I were the one being asked, what I would say would be "Sorry, not my
building, not my problem, good luck." What I would WANT to say is "Unless
you agree that I can take the parts out of the elevator that I'm paying for
with me when I move out- or, better yet, be reimbursed for them- I would
sooner free climb the outside wall with my bike in my teeth in a hailstorm
before covering your ends."
There's something about this guy that brings
out the troll in me. Not
that I would ever act on it but...it's like,
you're A FUCKING LANDLORD,
behave like one. A few years back I had a bad run-in extremely
sketchy/irrational landlord who was sort of like the female version of
George, so maybe it's PTSD. Who knows.
BTW, I'm sure everyone here realizes that what
I'm saying is (mostly) in
levity....I would love to straighten the guy out
personally, but I don't
see what purpose it would serve other than giving him a real reason to yell
at somebody and we obviously don't want that.
I've given it some thought and can definitely
understand the inclination
to help George out in the interest of improving our
relations, but it's
just that, in my own experience doing that - buying goodwill with
George with cash, or favors large and small i.e. free labor - doesn't
actually work..he just forgets basically, or takes it for granted totally,
i.e. comes to expect it, and in a week he will be again yelling at one of
us about anything thats on his mind, or dragging garbage all over the
space, and continuing to use our trash service for the entire building,
and unilaterally shutting off the AC which we cant turn back on unless he
accidentally leaves the roof access open...and basically you know, doing
whatever the hell he wants regardless of how it affects us. This is a guy
who regularly yells at me or hangs up on me while i am in the very act of
helping him. Laurie is not the greatest but she is not like that, and I
would kick down if it was just her running the building. But it's George's
building, and his general inclination seems to be to treat his
tenants poorly, and this goes for every tenant in the building (Ive talked
with all of them), not just BAPS/Sudo.
I think we should tell him our combined
discretionary funds have already
been allotted to the rent increase.
best,david
>On Saturday, January 4, 2014, niki wrote:
So in addition to the rent, utilities and the
myriad odd jobs - on
second thought, let's call them "favors" since
the word "job" usually
implies compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs
on HIS building? The man has no shame.
I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase
will add up to around
$500 by the end of the year, he
12:15 p.m.
Apparently Jenny did send such a request to George and we await a reply.
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
David,
Hmm, we definitely got the increase, I expected ya'll would too, but do
not know. It is in our contract and is not very much (~inflation) so in my
opinion no harm no foul.
Chris,
I understand where everyone is coming from. I just don't have much faith
in line-drawing at this point. Believe me, I am generally an incredibly
principled person--almost to a fault. However, in this instance, I would
rather practice caution and savvy over a confrontation given all the energy
I and others have spent to smooth over our current relations.
For instance, whenever I can, I clean the elevator and bathrooms, as well
as take out all the trash. I am constantly addressing folks about their use
of the common space (usually to inform them that something indeed,
surprisingly, yes, must be cleaned and not left messy, especially because
this space is common to other folks and tenants), ensuring it stays closer
to the landlords' standards (which it barely barely does some of the time).
I clean the kitchenette including others' dishes, vacuum, remove
unnecessary furniture items, move materials back into sudo room, and
others do similar things as well. This is an investment in the very basic
agreement that the main space remain common, shared with others, that
ultimately builds report and trust with the landlords.
So, from my point of view, I see this situation as "Do we want the
elevator fixed or not?" and essentially I lean more toward negotiate and
get it fixed. Otherwise, I think we'd expect a much longer, more
complicated affair with little resolution.
That's just my opinion **shrugs**
This is consistent with asking for a written notice e.g.: "George, can
you send us a written notice over email about the elevator, including a
quote and what you need from the sudo room?" then talk about our options.
// Matt
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Melissa tells me BAPS did not in fact get a rent
increase.
Matt, can you confirm this is also true on your end?
On Monday, January 6, 2014, Chris Bee wrote:
Well, sure, we all want a safer elevator...but at
the expense of George
running roughshod over any semblance of normal landlord/tenant relations?
If the bargaining chip involved George voluntarily attending anger
management classes and acting on the concerns of his tenants in the future
in a responsible and rational manner, I'd probably give it a pass....but
whenever someone lets him get away with shady/illogical shit, in my mind
it's the same as tacit approval.
I don't want to troll or be the devil's advocate but I agree with
yar...if he wants it that bad, let's put it in writing then take it from
there.
-chrisbee
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
That being said, I appreciate taking William's assessment into
consideration, especially given he is also a tenant.
Further, thinking tactically, do we want the elevator to be safer and
break down less regularly? Perhaps we could negotiate. This is an option.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
I think this has gone far enough. I like yar's idea to get his request
in writing, and respond negative very clearly in writing.
I volunteer to participate in any face to face discussions with our
landlords if needed - we need to address all such unacceptable proposals
squarely.
cheers
Jan 4, 2014 03:36:42 PM, hotelcompany(a)gmail.com wrote:
The (not so) funny thing is that this request comes on the heels of a
rent hike.
>-chrisbee
>On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM, David Keenan dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>I second that emotion.
>Niki
>On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris
Bee hotelcompany(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
If I were the one being asked, what I would say would be "Sorry, not my
building, not my problem, good luck." What I would WANT to say is "Unless
you agree that I can take the parts out of the elevator that I'm paying for
with me when I move out- or, better yet, be reimbursed for them- I would
sooner free climb the outside wall with my bike in my teeth in a hailstorm
before covering your ends."
There's something about this guy that brings
out the troll in me. Not
that I would ever act on it but...it's like,
you're A FUCKING LANDLORD,
behave like one. A few years back I had a bad run-in extremely
sketchy/irrational landlord who was sort of like the female version of
George, so maybe it's PTSD. Who knows.
BTW, I'm sure everyone here realizes that what
I'm saying is (mostly)
in levity....I would love to straighten the guy out
personally, but I don't
see what purpose it would serve other than giving him a real reason to yell
at somebody and we obviously don't want that.
I've given it some thought and can definitely
understand the
inclination to help George out in the interest of improving our
relations,
but it's just that, in my own experience doing that - buying goodwill with
George with cash, or favors large and small i.e. free labor - doesn't
actually work..he just forgets basically, or takes it for granted totally,
i.e. comes to expect it, and in a week he will be again yelling at one of
us about anything thats on his mind, or dragging garbage all over the
space, and continuing to use our trash service for the entire building,
and unilaterally shutting off the AC which we cant turn back on unless he
accidentally leaves the roof access open...and basically you know, doing
whatever the hell he wants regardless of how it affects us. This is a guy
who regularly yells at me or hangs up on me while i am in the very act of
helping him. Laurie is not the greatest but she is not like that, and I
would kick down if it was just her running the building. But it's George's
building, and his general inclination seems to be to treat his
tenants poorly, and this goes for every tenant in the building (Ive talked
with all of them), not just BAPS/Sudo.
I think we should tell him our combined
discretionary funds have
already been allotted to the rent increase.
best,david
>On Saturday, January 4, 2014, niki wrote:
So in addition to the rent, utilities and the
myriad odd jobs - on
second thought, let's call them "favors" since
the word "job" usually
implies compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs
on HIS building? The man has no shame.
I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase
will add up to around
$500 by the end of the year, he
12:46 p.m.
With no response - if you see George this afternoon could you try asking
in-person? I'll press Laurie on it.
Solidarity!
/jnny
On Jan 7, 2014 12:16 PM, "Matthew Senate" <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Apparently Jenny did send such a request to George and
we await a reply.
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
David,
Hmm, we definitely got the increase, I expected ya'll would too, but do
not know. It is in our contract and is not very much (~inflation) so in my
opinion no harm no foul.
Chris,
I understand where everyone is coming from. I just don't have much faith
in line-drawing at this point. Believe me, I am generally an incredibly
principled person--almost to a fault. However, in this instance, I would
rather practice caution and savvy over a confrontation given all the energy
I and others have spent to smooth over our current relations.
For instance, whenever I can, I clean the elevator and bathrooms, as well
as take out all the trash. I am constantly addressing folks about their use
of the common space (usually to inform them that something indeed,
surprisingly, yes, must be cleaned and not left messy, especially because
this space is common to other folks and tenants), ensuring it stays closer
to the landlords' standards (which it barely barely does some of the time).
I clean the kitchenette including others' dishes, vacuum, remove
unnecessary furniture items, move materials back into sudo room, and
others do similar things as well. This is an investment in the very basic
agreement that the main space remain common, shared with others, that
ultimately builds report and trust with the landlords.
So, from my point of view, I see this situation as "Do we want the
elevator fixed or not?" and essentially I lean more toward negotiate and
get it fixed. Otherwise, I think we'd expect a much longer, more
complicated affair with little resolution.
That's just my opinion **shrugs**
This is consistent with asking for a written notice e.g.: "George, can
you send us a written notice over email about the elevator, including a
quote and what you need from the sudo room?" then talk about our options.
// Matt
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
Melissa tells me BAPS did not in fact get a rent
increase.
Matt, can you confirm this is also true on your end?
On Monday, January 6, 2014, Chris Bee wrote:
Well, sure, we all want a safer elevator...but at
the expense of George
running roughshod over any semblance of normal landlord/tenant relations?
If the bargaining chip involved George voluntarily attending anger
management classes and acting on the concerns of his tenants in the future
in a responsible and rational manner, I'd probably give it a pass....but
whenever someone lets him get away with shady/illogical shit, in my mind
it's the same as tacit approval.
I don't want to troll or be the devil's advocate but I agree with
yar...if he wants it that bad, let's put it in writing then take it from
there.
-chrisbee
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
That being said, I appreciate taking William's assessment into
consideration, especially given he is also a tenant.
Further, thinking tactically, do we want the elevator to be safer and
break down less regularly? Perhaps we could negotiate. This is an option.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
I think this has gone far enough. I like yar's idea to get his request
in writing, and respond negative very clearly in writing.
I volunteer to participate in any face to face discussions with our
landlords if needed - we need to address all such unacceptable proposals
squarely.
cheers
Jan 4, 2014 03:36:42 PM, hotelcompany(a)gmail.com wrote:
The (not so) funny thing is that this request comes on the heels of a
rent hike.
>
>If I were the one being asked, what I would say would be "Sorry, not
my building, not my problem, good luck." What I would WANT to say is
"Unless you agree that I can take the parts out of the elevator that I'm
paying for with me when I move out- or, better yet, be reimbursed for them-
I would sooner free climb the outside wall with my bike in my teeth in a
hailstorm before covering your ends."
>
>There's something about this guy that brings out the troll in me. Not
that I would ever act on it but...it's like, you're A FUCKING LANDLORD,
behave like one. A few years back I had a bad run-in extremely
sketchy/irrational landlord who was sort of like the female version of
George, so maybe it's PTSD. Who knows.
>
>BTW, I'm sure everyone here realizes that what I'm saying is (mostly)
in levity....I would love to straighten the guy out personally, but I don't
see what purpose it would serve other than giving him a real reason to yell
at somebody and we obviously don't want that.
>
>-chrisbee
>
>
>On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM, David Keenan dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>I've given it some thought and can definitely understand the
inclination to help George out in the interest of improving our relations,
but it's just that, in my own experience doing that - buying goodwill with
George with cash, or favors large and small i.e. free labor - doesn't
actually work..he just forgets basically, or takes it for granted totally,
i.e. comes to expect it, and in a week he will be again yelling at one of
us about anything thats on his mind, or dragging garbage all over the
space, and continuing to use our trash service for the entire building,
and unilaterally shutting off the AC which we cant turn back on unless he
accidentally leaves the roof access open...and basically you know, doing
whatever the hell he wants regardless of how it affects us. This is a guy
who regularly yells at me or hangs up on me while i am in the very act of
helping him. Laurie is not the greatest but she is not like that, and I
would kick down if it was just her running the building. But it's George's
building, and his general inclination seems to be to treat his
tenants poorly, and this goes for every tenant in the building (Ive talked
with all of them), not just BAPS/Sudo.
>I think we should tell him our combined discretionary funds have
already been allotted to the rent increase.
>best,david
>On Saturday, January 4, 2014, niki wrote:
>
>
>I second that emotion.
>Niki
>
>On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris Bee hotelcompany(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>So in addition to the rent, utilities and the myriad odd jobs - on
second thought, let's call them "favors" since the word "job"
usually
implies compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs
on HIS building? The man has no shame.
>
>I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase will add up to around
$500 by the end of the year, he
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
3:29 p.m.
well, whatever we decide, lets definitely get it in writing first, AND ask
how much the other tenants in this floor are paying.
-D
On Tuesday, January 7, 2014, Jenny Ryan wrote:
With no response - if you see George this afternoon
could you try asking
in-person? I'll press Laurie on it.
Solidarity!
/jnny
On Jan 7, 2014 12:16 PM, "Matthew Senate" <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Apparently Jenny did send such a request to George and we await a reply.
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
David,
Hmm, we definitely got the increase, I expected ya'll would too, but do
not know. It is in our contract and is not very much (~inflation) so in my
opinion no harm no foul.
Chris,
I understand where everyone is coming from. I just don't have much faith
in line-drawing at this point. Believe me, I am generally an incredibly
principled person--almost to a fault. However, in this instance, I would
rather practice caution and savvy over a confrontation given all the energy
I and others have spent to smooth over our current relations.
For instance, whenever I can, I clean the elevator and bathrooms, as well
as take out all the trash. I am constantly addressing folks about their use
of the common space (usually to inform them that something indeed,
surprisingly, yes, must be cleaned and not left messy, especially because
this space is common to other folks and tenants), ensuring it stays closer
to the landlords' standards (which it barely barely does some of the time).
I clean the kitchenette including others' dishes, vacuum, remove
unnecessary furniture items, move materials back into sudo room, and
others do similar things as well. This is an investment in the very basic
agreement that the main space remain common, shared with others, that
ultimately builds report and trust with the landlords.
So, from my point of view, I see this situation as "Do we want the
elevator fixed or not?" and essentially I lean more toward negotiate and
get it fixed. Otherwise, I think we'd expect a much longer, more
complicated affair with little resolution.
That's just my opinion **shrugs**
This is consistent with asking for a written notice e.g.: "George, can
you send us a written notice over email about the elevator, including a
quote and what you need from the sudo room?" then talk about our options.
// Matt
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Melissa tells me BAPS did not in fact get a rent increase.
Matt, can you confirm this is also true on your end?
On Monday, January 6, 2014, Chris Bee wrote:
Well, sure, we all want a safer elevator...but at the expense of George
running roughshod over any semblance of normal landlord/tenant relations?
If the bargaining chip involved George voluntarily attending anger
management classes and acting on the concerns of his tenants in the future
in a responsible and rational manner, I'd probably give it a pass....but
whenever someone lets him get away with shady/illogical shit, in my mind
it's the same as tacit approval.
I don't want to troll or be the devil's advocate but I agree with yar...if
he wants it that bad, let's put it in writing then take it from there.
-chrisbee
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
That being said, I appreciate taking William's assessment into
consideration, especially given he is also a tenant.
Further, thinking tactically, do we want the elevator to be safer and
break down less regularly? Perhaps we could negotiate. This is an option.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
I think this has
6:31 p.m.
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On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Melissa tells me BAPS did not in fact get a rent
increase.
When did BAPS move in? My guess is they'd get one after their 12th
month of being a tenant. I think they moved in later than Sudoroom
did.
6 Jan
6 Jan
10:37 a.m.
Hi All,
I am late as usual to add my voice. Please, let's take the elevator upgrade
assistance request at its face. First of all, we are metaphorically in this
boat together, so it is in our best interest to share in the concern for its
outcome and implementation. It is difficult to see it as just an us vs him
issue. Let's consider the facts:
1. The building is owned by George, who is responsible for its safety,
and maintenance. It is his responsibility to maintain the building for our
use as an on-going operation, and it should have little or no impact on us,
since the cost estimates are accounted for as a component of our leases or
rents. Thus, if the elevator upgrade is for maintenance, we need only be
informed of forecasted, temporary disruptions of service as the upgrade
proceeds.
2. If the elevator upgrade is for building improvement providing
safety, utility of use or other service advantages to the tenets, then we
should indeed be consulted for our agreement or notification. As tenets
receiving the benefits, we can be expected to pay the cost of advantages
gained from them. The question is how will it be done?
(a). Is the request for a one-time assessment, charge and payment to cover
the expected cost, and forego future rents or lease increases for a defined
period?
(b). is this request a notification of an impending increase in the rent or
leases to cover the costs of the upgrade?
(c). Is this a request from the owner, soliciting tenet approval or
disapproval for the upgrade, before proceeding with the project?
I think It would be beneficial to have a meeting to form a committee to
review, investigate and clarify this matter. We can then query George for
the details of the issues surrounding his proposal or notification, and
define the benefits expected and for whom are they destined. We can then
inform all of the tenets, and suggest the most mutually beneficial course of
action. .
I am willing to serve on such a committee.
William
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[mailto:sudo-discuss-bounces@lists.sudoroom.org] On Behalf Of niki
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 10:21 AM
To: Chris Bee
Cc: sudo-discuss
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Elevator Upgrade
<3 Chris <3
I second that emotion.
Niki
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris Bee <hotelcompany(a)gmail.com> wrote:
So in addition to the rent, utilities and the myriad odd jobs - on second
thought, let's call them "favors" since the word "job" usually
implies
compensation- he now expects sudo/BAPS to cover the overhead costs on HIS
building? The man has no shame.
I know! Tell him that since the 3% rent increase will add up to around $500
by the end of the year, he'll double down if he can hold out till next
December...and that if you were to pony up that you expect, at the very
least, a brass plaque mounted inside the elevator listing all of the donors
that made this ride possible. Or that we have a time machine in beta testing
and that "where we're going we don't need elevators" while stuffing
compost
into your backpack.
In other words, anything but "yes."
-chrisbee
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