Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism" I have ever seen. Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper version of that? (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html). Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling". -Rusty On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca(a)techliminal.com> wrote: -- Cheers, Rusty Lindgren ** _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

more: http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

I called the OPD today to get stats on how many break-ins involve picked locks. The woman I spoke with was entirely unhelpful, saying something along the lines of "all break-in methods are comparably common". Google searches suggest that ~5-10% of burglaries nationally involve picked locks. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Tommy York <tommy.york(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

"OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last year, and not all of them involved window smashes." This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock picking? Mencken would be angry. - tommy ----------------- Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510 http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu &lt;zamfire(a)gmail.com <mailto:zamfire@gmail.com>> wrote: more: http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>> wrote: It's awesome, free press! On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren &lt;rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com>> wrote: Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism" I have ever seen. Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper version of that? (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html). Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling". -Rusty On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com>> wrote: Hi everyone, Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are learning how to pick locks this weekend. http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 Here is Oakland Local's response: http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… Anca -- -=-=-=- Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com> M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660> http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- Cheers, Rusty Lindgren ** _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

On 2013-02-27 23:52, Anon195714 wrote: ... I would be uncomfortable showing up at this event or other sudoroom events if we were working with the city or law enforcement officers on reporting who shows up at events or assist them in doing so. It is not any more illegal/immoral/wrong for a 'known gang member' to show up at a class than one of the more privileged class. -Shawn _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged class": that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in Oakland isn't police bullets but gang bullets. So where are the outraged protests in front of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't an abstraction: a young black man I knew was killed in a drive-by. As for "privileged class," about 1/3 of SudoRoom members are unemployed, and many are borderline-homeless. A few more "privileges," such as full-time jobs that pay decent wages, would be a good thing.

Re. Hep: Rather than just sling a sentence-full of unsupported ad-hominems (clue: ad-homs = you lose), how'bout unpacking that nonsense and spelling it out? Assertion: gang violence kills more young black men than police do. That's an assertion of fact. If you don't like it, you're welcome to try to disprove it. Go get some numbers. Question: where are the protests over gang violence? The question stands. Show us a mass protest at a known gang house after a particularly egregious shooting. A young black guy I knew was killed in a drive-by. Ever hear of Tupac Shakur? I was one of his 2nd Engs. at Starlight Studios in Richmond. He was ferociously brilliant. Murdered at age 25. "Privileged": about 1/3 of SudoRoom members are unemployed and many are borderline homeless. Admittedly that's a rough estimate. But if you don't like my numbers, get some better ones. Full-time jobs at decent wages would be a good thing: What don't you like about that? Gandhi once said "Western civilization would be a good thing." I say worker solidarity would be a good thing. But you can't have worker solidarity until people have work. A job at decent wages isn't a privilege, it's a human right. And hackers picking up more trade-skills is also a good thing. Let's take this to private email so we don't digress the list. -G. ===== On 13-02-28-Thu 8:35 AM, hep wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Anon195714 &lt;anon195714(a)sbcglobal.net&gt;wrote;wrote: What's up sudoroomers? Hugely concerned about all the racist, classist, and privileged BS that was spouted in this paragraph right here. -hep _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Yo's- On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just say Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor. OK, so a few recent crime anecdotes: = A close friend's car window was smashed on the side street while we were up at SudoRoom. = Another close friend's bike was stolen out of the common area. = A neighbor of mine's bike was stolen out of their garage today. = The officer who took the stolen bike report (Berkeley PD) said that the standard MO these days is for the robber to knock at the door, and if no answer, kick the door in. If the resident is away it becomes a burglary. If the resident is home, it becomes a home-invasion robbery or worse. = As another close friend of mine once said, "doors are a convenience for people who are polite." A strong lock on a strong door with a weak window nearby, is evidence of nothing more or less than a homeowner without the ability to imagine how baddies think. I don't see any lock-picking going on in any of those. As a method of committing crimes, lock-picking is obsolete. And I do see an opportunity for some positive outreach to Mayor Quan's office, re. the opportunity for having a detective attend the event. This would be similar to how Quaker activist groups handled their plans for protests, by keeping the relevant LE agencies informed. When I lived in New England, I saw this first-hand, and it worked. Protests organized by those groups were successful, every time. Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov, and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open? -G. ===== On 13-02-27-Wed 11:26 PM, Tommy York wrote: "OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last year, and not all of them involved window smashes." This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock picking? Mencken would be angry. - tommy ----------------- Thomas Riley York (杨德民) 510.926.0510 http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu &lt;zamfire(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing listsudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.orghttp://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

more: http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>> wrote: It's awesome, free press! On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren &lt;rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com>> wrote: Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism" I have ever seen. Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper version of that? (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html). Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling". -Rusty On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com>> wrote: Hi everyone, Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are learning how to pick locks this weekend. http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 Here is Oakland Local's response: http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… Anca -- -=-=-=- Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com> M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660> http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- Cheers, Rusty Lindgren ** _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Chicago Lock v. Fanberg is the case I was telling you about last night, J.D. - http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=17605115413487325945. Author of lock-picking manuals gets sued by the manufacturer of the locks. Chicago Lock loses on its trade secret misappropriation claim. Here's an excerpt from the facts of the case - Appellant Victor Fanberg, the son of locksmith Morris Fanberg and a locksmith in his own right, has published a number of locksmith manuals for conventional locks. Realizing that no compilation had been made of tubular lock key codes, in 1975 Fanberg advertised in a locksmith journal, /Locksmith Ledger,/ requesting that individual locksmiths transmit to him serial number-key code correlations in their possession in exchange for a copy of a complete compilation when finished. A number of locksmiths complied, and in late 1976 Fanberg and his father began to sell a two-volume publication of tubular lock codes, including those of Ace locks, entitled "A-Advanced Locksmith's Tubular Lock Codes." In 1976 and 1977 Fanberg advertised in the manuals in the /Locksmith Ledger/ for $49.95 and indicated that it would be supplemented as new correlations became known. /See/ Excerpt at 95-98. About 350 manuals had been sold at the time of trial. The District Court found that Fanberg "had lost or surrendered control over persons who could purchase the books," /id./ at 98, meaning that nonlocksmiths could acquire the code manuals. The books contain correlations which would allow a person equipped with a tubular key grinding machine to make duplicate keys for any listed Ace lock if the serial number of the lock was known. On some models, the serial numbers appear on the exterior of the lock face. Thus, Fanberg's manuals would make it considerably easier4*403 (and less expensive) for a person to obtain (legitimately or illegitimately) duplicate keys to Ace locks without going through the Company's screening process. This is what caused consternation to the Company and some of its customers. At no time did Fanberg seek, or the Company grant, permission to compile and sell the key codes. Nor did the individual locksmiths seek authorization from the Company or their customers before transmitting their key code data to Fanberg. On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

It's awesome, free press! On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren &lt;rustylindgren(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss