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Things that happened at tonight's meeting

by Yardena Cohen

* The landlord's rave plans for the 22nd are looking like a more serious conflict than we thought. We floated the idea of postponing this cleaning weekend to the 29th/30th, but haven't made a decision. * On the next First Friday (April 4, 8pm-2am) we have the opportunity to share the space with a fundraiser for TWAC, "Trans & Womyn's Action Camp": https://twac.wordpress.com/ They'll have a pay-what-you-can policy, it will be compatible with our values and with the open-house component of First Friday. I think this is a great idea. Any objections? * The meeting included a lengthy section which began as conflict resolution between Elliot and Xavier but became an issue of safe space. I personally asked Xavier to leave at the end, which he did. He says he will be back for his "three shelves of stuff" tomorrow. We didn't have a quorum to ban him, but there was an informal understanding that multiple people are uncomfortable with him, which he seems at this time to be respecting. Full notes here: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014-03-12

11 years, 6 months

Join BORDC & EFF for a screening of: Terms & Conditions May Apply

by David Keenan

Wish I could go, but y'all should! My/our comrade Matt Kellegrew is panelling. Should be good! [image: Bill of Rights Defense Committee] This Thursday, March 13, come out see BORDC Legal Fellow Matthew Kellegrew and EFF Activism Director Rainey Reitman discuss civil liberties after a screening of the groundbreaking documentary <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4taIHAaLdKE>*Terms and Conditions May Apply <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4taIHAaLdKE>** <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4taIHAaLdKE>**.* The film exposes how seemingly free online resources like Facebook or Google undermine our privacy, and how the NSA has co-opted Silicon Valley to abuse the rights of Americans. The film is an excellent resource for grassroots coalitions seeking materials to share at public education events. *Event details:* Thurs., March 13, 2014 6:30 - 8:30 PM PST Historic Fellowship Hall 1924 Cedar Street, Berkeley *(at Bonita Ave, one block east of MLK Way & three blocks west of Shattuck Ave) * *This location is wheelchair accessible via the ramp on the Bonita Avenue side of the building.* There is a suggested donation of $5-10. No one turned away for lack of funds. *Co-Sponsors:* - Bill Of Rights Defense Committee - Electronic Frontier Foundation - Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists - CODEPINK Women For Peace *See you there.* Matthew Kellegrew Legal Fellow *Bill of Rights Defense Committee* 8 Bridge Street, Suite A, Northampton, MA 01060 www.bordc.org info(a)bordc.org Telephone: 413-582-0110 Fax: 413-582-0116 ------------------------------ We apologize if you have received this communication in error. Unsubscribe<http://org.salsalabs.com/o/498/p/salsa/supporter/unsubscribe/public/index.s…>|| Subscribe<http://org.salsalabs.com/o/498/p/salsa/web/common/public/signup?signup_page…>

11 years, 6 months

Feminist 3D printing art project

by Vicky Knox

Anyone familiar with this art project? I pulled the link from the Strike Debt Party email I just sent to the list, and PMd the sender seeing if they knew about us or Double Union. http://wemakemeteorsnotmoney.tumblr.com/

11 years, 6 months

Fwd: [sfchalkboard] 3/24 STRIKE DEBT PARTY || Release Party for Debt Resistors' Operations Manual, 2nd Edition

by Vicky Knox

fyi ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Cassie Thornton Date: 2014-03-11 22:53 GMT-07:00 Subject: [sfchalkboard] 3/24 STRIKE DEBT PARTY || Release Party for Debt Resistors' Operations Manual, 2nd Edition To: sfchalkboard lists.riseup.net Hi Chalkboard! Strike Debt Bay Area would like to invite you to party with us as we celebrate the release of our second debt resistance manual. MARCH 23 3:30-6PM The Alan Blueford Center For Justice <https://www.facebook.com/ABC4JUSTICE> 2434 Telegraph, Oakland, California 94612 The first version of the Debt Resistors' Operations Manual can be seen here<http://strikedebt.org/The-Debt-Resistors-Operations-Manual.pdf>, it reads: *This operations manual--written by an anonymous collective of resistors, defaulters and allies from Strike Debt and Occupy Wall Street--is for all those being crushed under the weight of debt. It aims to provide specific tactics for understanding and fighting against the debt system so that we can all reclaim our lives and our communities. It contains practical information, resources and insider tips for individuals dealing with the dilemma of indebtedness in the United States today and also introduces ideas for those who have made the decision to take collective action. * To celebrate the next edition, a few of the authors will be among us, as well as lifelong writers, activists, and heroes George Caffentzis and Silvia Federici. We'll have some readings, but also local beer, independent food vendors, music, live screen printing, and A DEBT FLAVORED PINATA TO DESTROY. Curious? See you there. Yours, Cassie <http://cassiethornton.com> + Strike Debt <http://strikedebt.org> -- *+whatever it takes+* STRIKE DEBT BAY AREA http://strike-debt-bay-area.tumblr.com FEMINIST REPRODUCTION W/ 3-D PRINTER http://wemakemeteorsnotmoney.tumblr.com POETS' SECURITY FORCE www.poetsecurity.net

11 years, 6 months

onion article reminds me of the awesome men of sudoroom

by Romy Ilano

this onion article reminds me of the awesome men of SudoRoom. One of the reasons I enjoy spending my time & donating my energy to promote SudoRoom is because so many of the men at SudoRoom are pretty much like this weird guy in the onion article. A lot of the things I love are pretty sexist and hostile to women so it's rad being able to go to SudoRoom and have one less thing to deal with! <3 http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-who-treats-women-with-respect-asked-wh… Man Who Treats Women With Respect Asked What His Secret Is Mar 10, 2014 MINNEAPOLIS--Commenting upon his seemingly effortless ability to interact with all kinds of women, friends of local financial analyst Matt Brownlow, a man who regularly treats members of the opposite sex with respect, reportedly asked the 28-year-old Monday what his secret is. "You just seem to have such a way with women--what's your trick?" friend Alex Stegman inquired of the considerate man who sustains healthy, meaningful relationships with women by consistently listening to them and not treating them as utilitarian instruments for male gratification. "I don't know how you do it. It seems like talking to women is so easy for you, and you're always able to get them smiling and engaged in conversation with you. Man, I wish I could do that." At press time, sources confirmed Brownlow could be overheard working his magic on a female coworker by thoughtfully asking about her weekend. ============================= Romy Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com

11 years, 6 months

Your first GMO kit on indiegogo: 53 hours left

by Marc Juul

You should all totally get one of Cathal's awesome biohacking kits before the indiegogo expires! http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indiebb-your-first-gmo You'll get everything you need to genetically modify E. coli with green fluorescent protein so they glow under a blacklight! -- marc/juul

11 years, 6 months

$ sudo reboot

by Yardena Cohen

Tonight we had a special edition of the Sudoroom weekly meeting, focused on upgrading to a new, bigger space, outreach to future members, and fundraising to enable this. We decided on a SUDO REBOOT with 3 components: 1) Cleanup Weekend March 22 & 23 This is a roll-up-your-sleeves event for major cleaning, gutting, e-wasting & inventory. 2) Reboot Weekend one month from now, April 4th, 5th & 6th This is a fun party with raffle, donations, and unconference for new & old community members to talk more in-depth about what we want from our future Sudo. 3) Hard work This starts right now. We create lasting campaign materials, write a lot of emails, and make a lot of phone calls. We are going to have regular planning meetings on an aggressive schedule, TBA. Our meeting notes are here: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014-03-05 Further reboot planning will happen here: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Reboot More info to come in this thread!

11 years, 6 months

Fwd: [P2P-F] #P2PDataJam - Mapping the Commons - Wed 12th

by Jenny Ryan

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Kevin Flanagan" <kev.flanagan(a)gmail.com> Date: Mar 11, 2014 2:49 PM Subject: [P2P-F] #P2PDataJam - Mapping the Commons - Wed 12th To: "P2P Foundation mailing list" <p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org> Cc: *Hello,* Please spread the word and join us tomorrow Wed 12th mapping the commons for the #P2PDataJam, with live discussion on the P2PValue project streamed throughout the day. Kevin *(ENGLISH, CATALAN, SPANISH)* * Launch and Data Jam of the P2Pvalue Directory of Commons Based Peer Production* *Join us Wednesday March 12th for the launch and Data Jam (hackathon) of the P2Pvalue Directory of Commons Based Peer Production* *Commons Based Peer Production (CBPP)* means collaborative production and sharing of resources among peers under commons settings. From the initial cases, such as Wikipedia and FLOSS, recently there has been an expansion to other areas of activity, such as citizen science, product design, management of common spaces and open data sources. The mission of the *Directory of Commons Based Peer Production *is mapping the diffusion and hybridization of peer production by collecting and typifying digital platforms or projects that are Commons Based Peer Productions (CBPP). The directory currently holds more than *300 cases* of CBPP such as platforms for collective research, citizen journalism, peer to peer financing, and hackerspaces. Projects that produce software, hardware, texts, images, videos, music or sounds, collaborative research projects that give access to the data, and produce resources for public use. The directory serves as a valuable *tool for anyone* interested on CBPP such as "commoners", "prosumers" or researchers. It also aims to give visibility to the CBPP and support the networking among CBPP projects. The directory itself is *based on collaborative production. *Join the collaborative mapping of CBPP: Reuse and remix the data, insert new cases, send your feedback on the directory design, etc. The data contributed to the directory is published with an open license and accessible through our API or for downloaded in various formats. To celebrate the launch we will be hosting a P2Pvalue *Data Jam *12th March 2014, a collective effort to populate the directory and document as many examples of CBPP as possible. Additionally, on the day we will be having a live streamed program with introduction to the P2Pvalue project, and with instruction on how to use the directory and discussion around CBPP issues. Starting at 11:30 am (+1 GMT), Mayo Fuster Morell (IGOPnet.cc) will talk about the P2Pvalue research on delimitation criteria of CBPP and the conditions that favor CBPP. (12:34h) David Rozas (University of Surrey) will explain the directory from a technical perspective. (13:45h) Antonio Tenorio (UCM) will present Kune, a decentralized platform also resulting from the P2Pvalue project. (17h) There will be presentations of cases such as Guifi.net (by Jaume Barcelo and Pedro) and (18h) Goteo.org (by Maria G. Perulero). Finally (19h), there will be a discussion group on "Analyzing value in CBPP experiences" moderated by Mayo Fuster Morell and with interventions by Michel Bauwens (P2PFoundation), Marco Berlinguer (IGOPnet.cc) and Marcos García (Medialab Prado). *How to join the Data Jam (12th March 2014)?* *Directory:* *http://directory.p2pvalue.eu* <http://directory.p2pvalue.eu/> *Live streaming link:* *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRE7D1CHamQ*<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRE7D1CHamQ> * Twitter: *@P2Pvalue Hash tags #P2PDATAJAM and #P2PVALUE * Local Data Jam: *Local Data Jam will take place in Barcelona, Madrid, and Quito*MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "p2pdatajam.titanpad.com" claiming to be* (timetable and physical address availeble here *http://p2pdatajam.titanpad.com/1*<http://p2pdatajam.titanpad.com/1>) Organize a local Data Jam also if you like around your place! <http://p2pdatajam.titanpad.com/1> * Mailing list:* *http://lists.p2pvalue.eu/wws/info/datajam*<http://lists.p2pvalue.eu/wws/info/datajam> The directory development is supported by the *European Project* <http://www.p2pvalue.eu/>*P2Pvalue.eu* (Techno-social platform for sustainable models and value generation in commons-based peer production in the Future Internet), and promoted by a consortium of organizations including P2Pvalue project partner members (mainly: IGOPnet.cc (conceptualization and coordination of CBPP Directory), University of Surrey (technical development of the Directory) and P2P Foundation (dissemination of the Directory)), and the contribution of the other partners of the project GRASIA - Complutense University of Madrid, CNRS and University of Milan), and the support of the Spanish Chapter of Open Knowledge Foundation, among others. The *P2P Data Jam Team *are (coordination) Ruben Martinez (IGOPnet.cc) ruben(a)leyseca.net @RubenMartinez David Rozas (University of Surrey) david.rozas(a)gmail.com @drozas and Kevin Flanagan (P2P Foundation) kevin(a)p2pvalue.eu @flgnk Plus, Mayo Fuster Morell (IGOPnet.cc) mayo.fuster(a)eui.eu @lilaroja Jorge Salcedo (IGOPnet.cc) @jorgelsalcedo and Antonio Tapiador (UCM) atapiador(a)ucm.es @atapiador *(CATALA)* *Llançament i Data Jam (hackathon) del Directori de producció col·laborativa entre iguals procomú - 12 març 2014* La producció col·laborativa entre iguals procomú (CBPP) és una modalitat emergent de producció i compartició de recursos entre iguals sota una lògica procomú. A partir dels casos inicials, com ara Wikipedia i el programari lliure, recentment ha hagut una expansió de la CBPP a altres àrees d'activitat, com ara la ciència ciutadana, disseny de productes, la gestió dels espais comuns i les fonts de dades obertes. La missió del Directori de CBPP és el mapatge de la difusió i la hibridació de la producció entre iguals mitjançant la recopilació i tipificant de plataformes digitals o projectes. El directori té actualment més de *300 casos *de CBPP com ara plataformes per a la investigació col·lectiva, periodisme ciutadà, finançament P2P i hackerspaces. Projectes que produeixen de forma col·laborativa i oberta programari, maquinaria, textos, imatges, vídeos, o música, que donen accés a les dades generades i produeixen recursos per a l'ús públic. El directori serveix com una eina valuosa per a qualsevol persona interessada en la CBPP , com ara "comuners", " prosumidors" o persones investigadores. El directori així mateix vol ajudar a donar visibilitat a la CBPP i donar suport al enxarxament entre projectes CBPP. El directori en si es basa en producció col·laborativa. Uneix-te a la cartografia col·laborativa de CBPP : Reutilitzant i remesclant les dades, inserint nous casos, enviant els teus suggeriments sobre el disseny del directori, unint-se com a organització al consorci promotor del directori, etc La base de dades del directori es publica amb una llicència oberta i les dades estan accessible a través d'API o descarregables en diversos formats. Per celebrar el llançament del directori el 12 de Març celebrarem un Data Jam (hackathon), un esforç col·lectiu per poblar el directori amb el major nombre de casos de CBPP possible. A més d'incorporar casos al directori, durant el dia celebrarem un programa via streaming en directe. Iniciant a les (11:30h) Mayo Fuster Morell (IGOPnet.cc) presentarà la investigació P2Pvalue sobre els criteris de delimitació de la CBPP i les condicions que l'afavoreixen . (12:34h) David Rozas (Universitat de Surrey) explicarà el directori des d'una perspectiva tècnica. (13:45 h) Antonio Tenorio ( UCM ) presentarà Kune, una plataforma descentralitzada on també esta contribuint el projecte P2Pvalue. (17h) Hi haurà presentacions de casos com Guifi.net (per Jaume Barceló i Pedro) i (18h) Goteo.org (per Maria G. Perulero). Finalment (19h), celebrarem un debat sobre el "dimensions de valor a les experiències de CBPP" moderat per Mayo Fuster Morell i amb intervencions de Michel Bauwens (P2PFoundation), Marco Berlinguer (IGOPnet.cc) i Marcos García (Medialab Prado). *Com unir-se al Data Jam (12 de març 2014)?* *Directori: *http://directory.p2pvalue.eu *Enllaç de streaming en viu: *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRE7D1CHamQ * Twitter:* @ P2Pvalue hashtag # P2PDATAJAM # P2PVALUE * Data Jam locals: *Data Jam locals es duran a terme a Barcelona, Madrid i Quito (horari i adreça física de les trobades accessible aquí http://p2pdatajam.titanpad.com/1). Organitza un Data Jam a la teva localitat també si vols! * Llista de correu: *http://lists.p2pvalue.eu/wws/info/datajam El desenvolupament del directori es porta a terme amb el suport del Projecte Europeu P2Pvalue.eu (Plataforma Tecno - social pel desenvolupament de models sostenibles i la generació de valor en la producció entre iguals basada en el procomu a l'Internet del Futur), i promogut per un consorci d'organitzacions, entre aquestes, els socis del projecte P2Pvalue (principalment: IGOPnet.cc (conceptualització i coordinació del CBPP), Universitat de Surrey (desenvolupament tècnic del Directori) i la Fundació P2P (difusió del Directori)) , i el suport dels altres socis GRASIA - Universitat Complutense de Madrid, CNRS i la Universitat de Milà), i la col·laboració del Capítol Espanyol de la Fundació pel coneixement obert, entre d'altres. L'Equip del Data Jam esta compost per (coordinació) Rubén Martínez (IGOPnet.cc) ruben(a)leyseca.net @RubenMartinez David Rozas (Universitat de Surrey) david.rozas(a)gmail.com @drozas i Kevin Flanagan (Fundació P2P) kevin(a)p2pvalue.eu @flgnk Amb el suport de Mayo Fuster Morell (IGOPnet.cc) mayo.fuster(a)eui.eu @lilaroja Jorge Salcedo (IGOPnet.cc) @jorgelsalcedo i Antonio Tapiador (UCM) atapiador(a)ucm.es @ atapiador *(CASTELLANO) * *Lanzamiento y Data Jam (hackathon) del Directorio de producción colaborativa entre iguales procomún - 12 de Marzo 2014 * *La producción colaborativa entre iguales procomún* (CBPP) es una modalidad emergente de producción y compartición de recursos entre iguales bajo una lógica procomún. A partir de los casos iniciales, tales como Wikipedia y el software libre, recientemente ha habido una expansión de la CBPP a otras áreas de actividad, tales como la ciencia ciudadana, diseño de productos, la gestión de los espacios comunes y las fuentes de datos abiertas. La misión del Directorio de CBPP es el mapeo de la difusión y la hibridación de la producción entre iguales mediante la recopilación y tipificando de plataformas digitales o proyectos. El directorio tiene actualmente más de 300 casos de CBPP como plataformas para la investigación colectiva, periodismo ciudadano, financiamiento P2P y hackerspaces. Proyectos que producen de forma colaborativa y abierta software, hardware, textos, imágenes, vídeos, música o sonidos, que dan acceso a los datos generados y producen recursos para el uso público. El directorio sirve como una herramienta valiosa para cualquier persona interesada en la CBPP, como "comuner@s", "prosumidores" o personas investigadoras. El directorio así mismo quiere ayudar a dar visibilidad a la CBPP y apoyar el enredamiento entre proyectos CBPP. El directorio en sí se basa en producción colaborativa. ¡Únete a la cartografía colaborativa de CBPP: Reutilizando y remezclando los datos, insertando nuevos casos, enviando tus sugerencias sobre el diseño del directorio, uniéndoos como organización al consorcio promotor del directorio, etc La base de datos del directorio se publica con una licencia abierta y los datos están accesible a través de API o descargables en varios formatos. Para celebrar el lanzamiento del directorio el 12 de Marzo celebraremos un Data Jam (hackathon), un esfuerzo colectivo para poblar el directorio con el mayor número de casos de CBPP posible. Ademas de incorporar casos en el directorio, durante el día celebraremos un programa via streaming en directo. Iniciando a las (11:30 h) Mayo Fuster Morell (IGOPnet.cc) presentará la investigación P2Pvalue sobre los criterios de delimitación de la CBPP y las condiciones que la favorecen. (12:34h) David Rozas (Universidad de Surrey) explicará el directorio desde una perspectiva técnica. (13:45h) Antonio Tenorio (UCM) presentará Kune, una plataforma descentralizada a cuyo desarrollo también contribuye el proyecto P2Pvalue. (17h) Habrá presentaciones de casos como Guifi.net (por Jaume Barceló y Pedro) y (18h) Goteo.org (por Maria G. Perulero). Finalmente (19h), celebraremos un debate sobre el "valor Analizar experiencias en la CBPP" moderado por Mayo Fuster Morell y con intervenciones de Michel Bauwens (P2PFoundation), Marco Berlinguer (IGOPnet.cc) y Marcos García (Medialab Prado) . *¿Cómo unirse a la Data Jam (12 de marzo 2014)?* *Directorio:* http://directory.p2pvalue.eu * Enlace de streaming en vivo:* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRE7D1CHamQ * Twitter:* @ P2Pvalue etiquetas hash # P2PDATAJAM y # P2PVALUE * Data Jam locales: * Data Jam locales se llevaran a cabo en Barcelona, Madrid y Quito (horario y dirección física de los encuentros *http://p2pdatajam.titanpad.com/1* <http://p2pdatajam.titanpad.com/1>). Organiza un Data Jam en tu localidad tambien si quieres! * Lista de correo: *http://lists.p2pvalue.eu/wws/info/datajam El desarrollo de directorio se lleva a cabo con el apoyo del Proyecto Europeo P2Pvalue.eu (Plataforma Tecno - social para el desarrollo de modelos sostenibles y la generación de valor en la producción entre iguales basada en el procomun en el Internet del Futuro), y promovido por un consorcio de organizaciones, entre estas, los socios del proyecto P2Pvalue (principalmente: IGOPnet.cc (conceptualización y coordinación del CBPP), Universidad de Surrey (desarrollo técnico del Directorio) y la Fundación P2P (difusión del Directorio)), y el apoyo de los otros socios GRASIA - Universidad Complutense de Madrid, CNRS y la Universidad de Milán), y la colaboración del Capítulo Español de la Fundación por el conocimiento abierto, entre otros. El Equipo del Data Jam esta compuesto por (coordinación) Rubén Martínez (IGOPnet.cc) ruben(a)leyseca.net @RubenMartinez David Rozas (Universidad de Surrey) david.rozas(a)gmail.com @drozas y Kevin Flanagan (Fundación P2P) kevin(a)p2pvalue.eu @flgnk Con el apoyo de Mayo Fuster Morell (IGOPnet.cc) mayo.fuster(a)eui.eu @lilaroja Jorge Salcedo (IGOPnet.cc) @jorgelsalcedo y Antonio Tapiador (UCM) atapiador(a)ucm.es @atapiador _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation

11 years, 6 months

Open Access: Rethinking Resource Access in the Food System

by refugia

http://berkeleyfoodinstitute.org/open-access/ Open Access: Rethinking Resource Access in the Food System Monday, March 17, 2014, 3-5pm In this panel, we explore the frontiers of “open access regimes” within the food system, using seeds and land as starting points from which to reassess resource ownership and property rights in agriculture. We also consider how open access regimes connect to food sovereignty – the rights of local people to define their own food systems. In recent years, open-source licensing has emerged as a new approach to protect the seed innovations of farmers and plant breeders and provide them with access to diversified germplasm. Like open-source software, open-source seeds would create a protected commons in which materials are freely available and widely exchanged, but are protected from appropriation by monopoly interests. Similarly, land has become the focus of redoubled efforts to facilitate open access to resources for food production – the Landless Workers Movement in Brazil is one prominent example. We ask: what are the ways in which managing access to agricultural resources – whether plant genes or land –can promote the common good, and how might these ways change in different cultural and political contexts? A panel discussion moderated by David Winickoff, Associate Professor of Bioethics and Society in CNR, and Director of the Berkeley Program in Science and Technology Studies. The panel will feature: Jack Kloppenburg, Professor of Community and Environmental Sociology, University of Wisconsin-Madison; Co-Director of the Center for Integrated Agriculture Systems Kloppenburg specializes in the social impacts of biotechnology and the global controversy over access to and control over genetic resources. He is interested in applying “open source” principles in the biosciences. Wendy Wolford, Associate Professor of Sociology, Cornell University Wolford focuses on issues within and between the political economy of development, agrarian studies, social mobilization, land reform, and political ecologies of conservation.

11 years, 6 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] $ sudo reboot

by Yardena Cohen

On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 5:36 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote: > So just re: the common area, I'm not sure it makes sense spending any time > cleaning it Sat 3/22. And on Sun 3/23, you/we will be cleaning up after an > all-night rave. Y'all might ask george if he is getting a janitorial crew in > on 3/23, as he really should. And focus solely on cleaning sudo's space.. We're mostly talking about cleaning inside Sudoroom, so I don't know if it has to be a conflict.

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