25 Jan
2015
25 Jan
'15
8:19 p.m.
https://medium.com/@GRardB/techs-high-barrier-to-entry-for-the-underprivile…
There's some problematic stuff with the article, but I think it does a good
job in highlighting broadband/wireless disparities and the critical role
that open wifi and projects like mesh could do to pick up the slack where
the municipal governments are totally failing...
26 Jan
26 Jan
12:33 p.m.
Excellent article. Thanks for sharing it.
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
https://medium.com/@GRardB/techs-high-barrier-to-entry-for-the-underprivile…
There's some problematic stuff with the article, but I think it does a
good job in highlighting broadband/wireless disparities and the critical
role that open wifi and projects like mesh could do to pick up the slack
where the municipal governments are totally failing...
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3:02 p.m.
Also, I just wanted to say specifically that I do find saviorism
problematic. That said, I've noticed that network access is critical for
all sorts of folks that come in to our hackerspaces for a lot of reasons.
I sincerely believe that connectivity is a human right as fundamental as
water, and we have companies like xfinity that have captured what should be
a public good D-: I'd really like a broader conversation in our grassroots
communities to shape bay area policy.
Additionally, someone sent me this link to groups like this in Detroit
http://detroitdjc.org/?page_id=9 We are deluged with tech here in the bay
area, but our visions for access have yet to be defined often times...
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
https://medium.com/@GRardB/techs-high-barrier-to-entry-for-the-underprivile…
There's some problematic stuff with the article, but I think it does a
good job in highlighting broadband/wireless disparities and the critical
role that open wifi and projects like mesh could do to pick up the slack
where the municipal governments are totally failing...
3:22 p.m.
New subject: [lol-hackers] medium article on tech and barriers to entry
Agree that the "White Savior Complex" and paternalistic allyism can be
harmful in not building skills, a sense of empowerment and to trust your
gut.
On Monday, January 26, 2015, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Also, I just wanted to say specifically that I do find
saviorism
problematic. That said, I've noticed that network access is critical for
all sorts of folks that come in to our hackerspaces for a lot of reasons.
I sincerely believe that connectivity is a human right as fundamental as
water, and we have companies like xfinity that have captured what should be
a public good D-: I'd really like a broader conversation in our grassroots
communities to shape bay area policy.
Additionally, someone sent me this link to groups like this in Detroit
http://detroitdjc.org/?page_id=9 We are deluged with tech here in the
bay area, but our visions for access have yet to be defined often times...
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmhomee@gmail.com');>> wrote:
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Adria
https://medium.com/@GRardB/techs-high-barrier-to-entry-for-the-underprivile…
There's some problematic stuff with the article, but I think it does a
good job in highlighting broadband/wireless disparities and the critical
role that open wifi and projects like mesh could do to pick up the slack
where the municipal governments are totally failing...
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6:14 p.m.
New subject: [lol-hackers] medium article on tech and barriers to entry
http://open-oakland.cartodb.com/viz/1d8f9768-d7b9-11e3-b620-0e73339ffa50/pu…
Look at this map that same person just sent me of broadband penetration in
the east bay! It's shameful!
You know what's in the those areas? xfinity wifi. Fuck those people. You
want to talk about white supremacy and wholesale wealth transfer start
there - they got clearance to run detroit and sf and oakland. Their data
rates is literally like what it is to make a phone call to jail/prison.
I'm not even kidding. This reminds me of where I came from in New Mexico
where the corporations would cut corrupt contracts and vendor lock the
whole goddamn population into eternal poverty.
Listen, I've been in around all the hackerspaces for the past 5 years and
interviewed folks at noisebridge, at sudo, lol, and I've worked with kiddos
from the schools. Forget about some kids in bushwick -- *this story is
*our* story*. It's the elderly grandma hackers living on fixed income and
marginalized and has to spend 2 hours on the bus to get to noisebridge,
it's the transitional hacker who is learning tech skills but is bouncing
from place to place but is hustling and is making it through the omni and
learning to code off of stolen laptops, it's the young brother and sister
who has undocumented parents and no internet at home but is a brilliant at
3d crafting and has to sneak play time at libraries. I'm not making this
shit up, you all know these folks up close and personally, I just removed
their names. The saviorism comes in when the article portrays that kid
trying to learn how to code as an exceptional person -- I know from
experience that the kid not an exception, he is the rule.
Shit is not going to change on the federal level or state level. We need a
uprising in oakland. And we have to bring it. I watched these muni wifi
deals collapse and eventually devolve into cronyism. Libby Schaff is going
to take our money and spend it on surveillance and busted ass savior
programs and condos for folks who run companies like xfinity. We can have
municipal wifi that works for everyone -- wouldn't it be nice to have data
that our old folks could access???
I don't have all the answers, but collective we do, and we have to find
ways to warehouse and make memes and lift awareness and boycott do this for
the public interest in a radical way. We have to make sure the CIO and
CTO under Ed Lee and Libby are either doing the people's work or driven the
fuck out of office.
The same shit goes for vendor lock with libraries -- I've been talking to
all of you all. We have a lot of work to do!!!
Fuck incarceral poverty. All of us are colonized, even those of us with
shiny startup jobs. Let's make 2015 the year of go big or go home.
.......
I know this is a bit of a rant, but I need to get it out there and the
coffee is going through my veins today.
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Adria Richards <
adria.richards(a)butyoureagirl.com> wrote:
Agree that the "White Savior Complex" and
paternalistic allyism can be
harmful in not building skills, a sense of empowerment and to trust your
gut.
On Monday, January 26, 2015, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Also, I just wanted to say specifically that I do
find saviorism
problematic. That said, I've noticed that network access is critical for
all sorts of folks that come in to our hackerspaces for a lot of reasons.
I sincerely believe that connectivity is a human right as fundamental as
water, and we have companies like xfinity that have captured what should be
a public good D-: I'd really like a broader conversation in our grassroots
communities to shape bay area policy.
Additionally, someone sent me this link to groups like this in Detroit
http://detroitdjc.org/?page_id=9 We are deluged with tech here in the
bay area, but our visions for access have yet to be defined often times...
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
Thanks,
Adria
https://medium.com/@GRardB/techs-high-barrier-to-entry-for-the-underprivile…
There's some problematic stuff with the article, but I think it does a
good job in highlighting broadband/wireless disparities and the critical
role that open wifi and projects like mesh could do to pick up the slack
where the municipal governments are totally failing...
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27 Jan
27 Jan
6:46 a.m.
New subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] [lol-hackers] medium article on tech and barriers to entry
Well, the question for those who provide the technical foundations for
communication infrastructure that, so far,
is used to build organizations that are highly exclusionary (i.e.,
have a lot of toll booths to make access to means of production)
is how to make dual use of the technology produced (not only to enable
everybody, but to put fences and toll booths around the enabling
technology)
systematically impossible, and to prevent a "lucky few" from selling
out collaborative efforts to toll booth owners.
Once that is solved, the technology isn't that hard ... but as long as
enough bright folks are lured by the improbable prospect of hittihg it
big by selling their startup, solutions to artificial entry barriers
aren't going to happen.
Working on it ...
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
http://open-oakland.cartodb.com/viz/1d8f9768-d7b9-11e3-b620-0e73339ffa50/pu…
Look at this map that same person just sent me of broadband penetration in
the east bay! It's shameful!
You know what's in the those areas? xfinity wifi. Fuck those people. You
want to talk about white supremacy and wholesale wealth transfer start there
- they got clearance to run detroit and sf and oakland. Their data rates
is literally like what it is to make a phone call to jail/prison. I'm not
even kidding. This reminds me of where I came from in New Mexico where the
corporations would cut corrupt contracts and vendor lock the whole goddamn
population into eternal poverty.
Listen, I've been in around all the hackerspaces for the past 5 years and
interviewed folks at noisebridge, at sudo, lol, and I've worked with kiddos
from the schools. Forget about some kids in bushwick -- this story is *our*
story. It's the elderly grandma hackers living on fixed income and
marginalized and has to spend 2 hours on the bus to get to noisebridge, it's
the transitional hacker who is learning tech skills but is bouncing from
place to place but is hustling and is making it through the omni and
learning to code off of stolen laptops, it's the young brother and sister
who has undocumented parents and no internet at home but is a brilliant at
3d crafting and has to sneak play time at libraries. I'm not making this
shit up, you all know these folks up close and personally, I just removed
their names. The saviorism comes in when the article portrays that kid
trying to learn how to code as an exceptional person -- I know from
experience that the kid not an exception, he is the rule.
Shit is not going to change on the federal level or state level. We need a
uprising in oakland. And we have to bring it. I watched these muni wifi
deals collapse and eventually devolve into cronyism. Libby Schaff is going
to take our money and spend it on surveillance and busted ass savior
programs and condos for folks who run companies like xfinity. We can have
municipal wifi that works for everyone -- wouldn't it be nice to have data
that our old folks could access???
I don't have all the answers, but collective we do, and we have to find ways
to warehouse and make memes and lift awareness and boycott do this for the
public interest in a radical way. We have to make sure the CIO and CTO
under Ed Lee and Libby are either doing the people's work or driven the fuck
out of office.
The same shit goes for vendor lock with libraries -- I've been talking to
all of you all. We have a lot of work to do!!!
Fuck incarceral poverty. All of us are colonized, even those of us with
shiny startup jobs. Let's make 2015 the year of go big or go home.
.......
I know this is a bit of a rant, but I need to get it out there and the
coffee is going through my veins today.
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Adria Richards
<adria.richards(a)butyoureagirl.com> wrote:
Agree that the "White Savior Complex" and paternalistic allyism can be
harmful in not building skills, a sense of empowerment and to trust your
gut.
On Monday, January 26, 2015, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Also, I just wanted to say specifically that I do find saviorism
problematic. That said, I've noticed that network access is critical for
all sorts of folks that come in to our hackerspaces for a lot of reasons. I
sincerely believe that connectivity is a human right as fundamental as
water, and we have companies like xfinity that have captured what should be
a public good D-: I'd really like a broader conversation in our grassroots
communities to shape bay area policy.
Additionally, someone sent me this link to groups like this in Detroit
http://detroitdjc.org/?page_id=9 We are deluged with tech here in the bay
area, but our visions for access have yet to be defined often times...
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
Thanks,
Adria
https://medium.com/@GRardB/techs-high-barrier-to-entry-for-the-underprivile…
There's some problematic stuff with the article, but I think it does a
good job in highlighting broadband/wireless disparities and the critical
role that open wifi and projects like mesh could do to pick up the slack
where the municipal governments are totally failing...
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14 Feb
14 Feb
9:48 a.m.
New subject: [lol-hackers] medium article on tech and barriers to entry
I'm pretty late on replying to this rant because I stopped reading this
mailing list too often ... Because toxicity, and constant harassing
responses to my posts. So I will preface this with a reminder that I will
forward messages I receive privately back to the list if I don't like them.
It is my intention here to engage in public dialogue.
Isn't it too bad that I need that disclaimer? But I digress.
I am reminded of an experience I had at Noisebridge a few years ago. EFF
was hosting a bunch of African journalists for a conference. They had come
by nb with Danny to visit and were talking with a few young random folks as
well as one older white silicon valley type engineer. The journalists'
response to hearing about how mesh networking functions was basically,
sounds great, where can we get some. And the sili valley engineer talked
about signal latency and how the technology isn't there yet.
These guys are dodging governments to publish text newspapers on basement
printing presses, blogging in secret, straining to get words down the
pipeline. They need a distributed version of usenet. They're still looking
for usenet. The engineer is talking about how users won't like their video
to lag. There is a disconnect. Its not that the technology isn't there yet.
This isn't a new technology. Its that development happens along lines of
capital, and centralized networking is easier to gatekeep. The needs of
users are simply opportunities to exploit.
I don't think Noisebridge should worry about saving Africa, or anybody in
particular. I think that first world technologists have blind spots due to
the environment that creates us. Praveen is right that there are people
caught in access gaps in our inner cities, in our rural communities.
Focusing on the needs of various user groups is imperative to developing
technology to serve diverse groups. *Understanding users that have
fundamentally different needs is crucial but not central to most technology
projects.*
Bringing it home, I'd like to just focus on how easy it is to forget where
the walls of one's bubble are. Folks still don't really have internet
access, or think the internet is read-only. We can move forward as much as
we like, in any direction. Speed of progress, though, matters less to me
than inclusivity. Than bringing my whole community with me.
I don't care about getting apps to get rides or meals. I already know ways
to get those things. I care about the whole damn world getting Usenet. My
neighbors in Oakland don't have it. My potential friends a world away don't
have it.
Fuck the tech boom. Long live technology for the people.
On Jan 26, 2015 4:14 PM, "Praveen Sinha" <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
http://open-oakland.cartodb.com/viz/1d8f9768-d7b9-11e3-b620-0e73339ffa50/pu…
Look at this map that same person just sent me of broadband penetration in
the east bay! It's shameful!
You know what's in the those areas? xfinity wifi. Fuck those people.
You want to talk about white supremacy and wholesale wealth transfer start
there - they got clearance to run detroit and sf and oakland. Their data
rates is literally like what it is to make a phone call to jail/prison.
I'm not even kidding. This reminds me of where I came from in New Mexico
where the corporations would cut corrupt contracts and vendor lock the
whole goddamn population into eternal poverty.
Listen, I've been in around all the hackerspaces for the past 5 years and
interviewed folks at noisebridge, at sudo, lol, and I've worked with kiddos
from the schools. Forget about some kids in bushwick -- *this story is
*our* story*. It's the elderly grandma hackers living on fixed income
and marginalized and has to spend 2 hours on the bus to get to noisebridge,
it's the transitional hacker who is learning tech skills but is bouncing
from place to place but is hustling and is making it through the omni and
learning to code off of stolen laptops, it's the young brother and sister
who has undocumented parents and no internet at home but is a brilliant at
3d crafting and has to sneak play time at libraries. I'm not making this
shit up, you all know these folks up close and personally, I just removed
their names. The saviorism comes in when the article portrays that kid
trying to learn how to code as an exceptional person -- I know from
experience that the kid not an exception, he is the rule.
Shit is not going to change on the federal level or state level. We need
a uprising in oakland. And we have to bring it. I watched these muni wifi
deals collapse and eventually devolve into cronyism. Libby Schaff is going
to take our money and spend it on surveillance and busted ass savior
programs and condos for folks who run companies like xfinity. We can have
municipal wifi that works for everyone -- wouldn't it be nice to have data
that our old folks could access???
I don't have all the answers, but collective we do, and we have to find
ways to warehouse and make memes and lift awareness and boycott do this for
the public interest in a radical way. We have to make sure the CIO and
CTO under Ed Lee and Libby are either doing the people's work or driven the
fuck out of office.
The same shit goes for vendor lock with libraries -- I've been talking to
all of you all. We have a lot of work to do!!!
Fuck incarceral poverty. All of us are colonized, even those of us with
shiny startup jobs. Let's make 2015 the year of go big or go home.
.......
I know this is a bit of a rant, but I need to get it out there and the
coffee is going through my veins today.
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Adria Richards <
adria.richards(a)butyoureagirl.com> wrote:
Agree that the "White Savior Complex"
and paternalistic allyism can be
harmful in not building skills, a sense of empowerment and to trust your
gut.
On Monday, January 26, 2015, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Also, I just wanted to say specifically that I do
find saviorism
problematic. That said, I've noticed that network access is critical for
all sorts of folks that come in to our hackerspaces for a lot of reasons.
I sincerely believe that connectivity is a human right as fundamental as
water, and we have companies like xfinity that have captured what should be
a public good D-: I'd really like a broader conversation in our grassroots
communities to shape bay area policy.
Additionally, someone sent me this link to groups like this in Detroit
http://detroitdjc.org/?page_id=9 We are deluged with tech here in the
bay area, but our visions for access have yet to be defined often times...
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
--
Thanks,
Adria
https://medium.com/@GRardB/techs-high-barrier-to-entry-for-the-underprivile…
There's some problematic stuff with the article, but I think it does a
good job in highlighting broadband/wireless disparities and the critical
role that open wifi and projects like mesh could do to pick up the slack
where the municipal governments are totally failing...
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1:56 p.m.
New subject: [lol-hackers] medium article on tech and barriers to entry
sincerely believe that connectivity is a human right as fundamental as
water, and we have companies like xfinity that have captured what should be
a public good D-:
Reminds me of Bechtel in Bolivia around 2000, privatizing potable water.
There have been several tries to set up Oakland as a municipal broadband
provider, running fiber rings to assure all of Oakland could have FTTH and
into all the commercial and industrial areas. None got far.
Had a hallway conversation with Oakland's CIO recently. He's working on a
plan for fiber for all City and OUSD facilities (offices, parks, schools).
The two biggest barriers seem to me to be money for the network (justified
through cost savings vs. current ISPs) and negotiating access to conduit
(mostly owned by companies and other government agencies like the County
and BART). At best, this intranet ring would serve the roughly 4000
Oaklanders who work for the City. So there's still a need for an access
plan. Mesh (share-your-connection) is a start. It's not enough.
The electricity distribution industry (think PG&E) drooled for years about
running data over powerlines or using their business relationships with
households and comprehensive right-of-ways to compete directly with the
AT&Ts and Comcasts. None have done so at scale in a US urban market. But
they might be an interesting ally/frenemy.
Sacramento has been a chokepoint. Twenty years' ago a city could extort
goodies like public access television stations from phone and cable
companies when permitting. Lobbying in Sacto killed that state-wide. So
some Oakland activism may need a vigorous Sacramento/statewide component.
26 Jan
26 Jan
4:49 p.m.
Thanks for sharing this article, Praveen.
I used to volunteer at the Berkeley Public Library, and I know that, while
libraries are a good source for wifi, the computers there weren't really
set up for programming. What can we do to add some resources for "learning
to code" to our local libraries?
Hmm.
Anca.
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Also, I just wanted to say specifically that I do find
saviorism
problematic. That said, I've noticed that network access is critical for
all sorts of folks that come in to our hackerspaces for a lot of reasons.
I sincerely believe that connectivity is a human right as fundamental as
water, and we have companies like xfinity that have captured what should be
a public good D-: I'd really like a broader conversation in our grassroots
communities to shape bay area policy.
Additionally, someone sent me this link to groups like this in Detroit
http://detroitdjc.org/?page_id=9 We are deluged with tech here in the
bay area, but our visions for access have yet to be defined often times...
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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https://medium.com/@GRardB/techs-high-barrier-to-entry-for-the-underprivile…
There's some problematic stuff with the article, but I think it does a
good job in highlighting broadband/wireless disparities and the critical
role that open wifi and projects like mesh could do to pick up the slack
where the municipal governments are totally failing...
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